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- LostInEuphoria, on 10/12/2007, -6/+43I'm still for at least the decriminalization of marijuana. Oxycontin and stuff like that is so much worse for you than the reefer.
- InMSWeAntitrust, on 10/12/2007, -7/+32Illegal drug use isn't necessarily down, it's just it's the middle of the month... at the end of the month, it'll skyrocket for the po-po to meet their quota.
- bromac, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17"Illegal or prescription drugs ... drug abuse is bad, it doesn't matter WHICH drug it is ... are these pot smokers trying to prove a point? If they are, they failed."
How about the fact that Marijuana actually lowers the crime rate in the small, alcoholic towns of the north because people CHILL OUT and let their sphincter relax a bit. That's the point. If you don't accept it, that's your choice - as it should be everyone else. Reefer madness is NOT REAL and there are next to no harmful effects from pot, and a number of uses for it. The worst thing that could happen with a responsible stoned person is that they could, oh, write something creative. And all that Jazz.
In fact, looking at a plant that's full of useful pharmaceuticals as "BAD BAD BAD" because some people have abuse problems is ignorant. People with abuse problems, whether it's anorexia or drug abuse, have other issues that underly the symptoms. Hell, some people abuse laxatives - are we going to have a War on Prune Juice now? There are dozens of different compounds in pot, which have different effects on different people. There's a certain lack of research, though, because of alarmist ignorant people like you.
Of course, I guess it's easier to stay on the edge and yell at the pot smokers for how they're wasting their life.
'Cause you are using your time productively worrying about someone else's life...right? Keep your morality to yourself, because I'm going to be just peachy smoking my stuff. And getting back to work. - PacoDG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Fake symptoms and insurance?
For a while, I was getting Xanax with no prescription from quite a few sites, I stopped (for my own health), however, I still have people I work with gladly buying from many sites without nothing more than a credit card. (Example sites: us-meds.com / reorderpalace10.com / friendlyclinic.com / mymeddrugstore.com / startmeds.com . It amazes me sites like these exist, the DEA pops one, then another two open up shop) - AtWorkSurfer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11As a doctor not too far out of residency (and practicing in one of the worst areas of the country for prescription drug abuse), I can honestly say that the worst part of private practice, by far, is dealing with patients who feign pain symptoms in order to get hydrocodone. People who have been doctor shopping and pharmacy hopping for a while tend to be quite clever and manipulative, and it can be very difficult to sort out those who really have pain, from those who are just faking it. You'd be surprised, there are actually people who will undergo surgery every now and then just to keep the pain pills flowing. More than paperwork, insurance companies, or anything else, drug seekers are what give me ulcers, gray hair, and insomnia.
- guerrilla_suit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12The effects of the War on Drugs. Now your mothers antidepressants and pain killers are easier to get than some weed. Or if you act up in school, they'll give you bottles of the stuff.
- Arkonnan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Didn't you get the memo?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Hydrocodone is fun.
Just gotta know when to stop so it doesn't become a habit.
A few here and there for recreation isn't bad though. It's just like anything else: moderation. - martalli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I'm also a doctor in private practice and I have to agree that the worst part of practice is trying to deal with issues of chronic pain. Doctor shopping is common and hard to discern. In our case, we are in a small town, so it is a little easier to peg people as doctor shoppers, but not always.
There is no reliable way to measure pain (the smiling scale is intellectually dishonest IMHO). You must simply listen to the patient and decide for yourself if they are FOS or not. That's certainly not scientific, nor is it reliable. - Kahnza, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@mv10
Yeah know that good, warm fuzzy feeling you get sometimes? Imagine that multiplied by 1000 and sustained over like 8 hours. - zyzzyvette, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8When it comes to sports you never know which one is going to be the one you can't handle until you try it. I have known people who tried every sport under the sun and could use them in a "recreational" way and then eventually found the one they can't handle and they get killed as a result. A common example is rock-climbing and lots of people reach that sport and it is their downfall. However, it is sometimes a sport you'd never suspect. I knew one guy who tried every kind of sport and then one time got his hands on a tennis racquet. A few months later he was dead of a concussion to the head.
And yes, I'm aware that it is harder to die doing some sports than others but death isn't the only risk. It IS hard to die from gymnastics but it isn't hard to injure your neck IF that sport is your weakness. Point being, you have no clue which sport is going to kick your ass until you try it. Take-away lesson, don't try any new sports unless you have to. - lynch03, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I love how they're willing to prescribe what pretty much amounts to prescription heroin for people, but using marijuana for medicinal purposes is out of the question, that's really logical.
- fatcat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Well the decrease in drug use could be because marijuana is becoming legalized or decriminalized more often. And prescription drugs are much easier to fake symptoms and get insurance to pay for it then paying for it out of pocket.
- mv10, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Serious Question... What is so good about Oxycontin.. How does it make you feel. There has to be a reason its abused, i just cant figure out why
- rasputinaxp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Dictionary use down, misspelling use up.
- MrTonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5If drug use is down, how come arrests are getting more and more frequent and prices going down? Yeah, sure, drug use is down. I'll believe.
When this madness is going to stop? We are destroying millions of lives with this darn drug war. Follow the example of Netherlands if one wants to control the harms of substance abuse. - elShaggy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@mv10
its an Opiate in pill form if i am not mistaken, similar to Morphine or Herion.
Pain Relief, Feelings of Euphoria. - digiroam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The war on drugs is a big mess. The evidence of it's ineffectiveness is so overwhelming that it is bordering buffoonery as to why we are still wasting billions. There has to be a better way.
- bromac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I was on OxyCodone - the instant-kick version of OxyContin - for a few days after I was in a car accident recently.
Euphoria and pain relieve...I was damn happy when dose time came around. You forget the pain, and go for a ride for about 4 hours. I'd always have a huge grin on my face...happy happy happy!
Definitely not something you want to get used to, but there's very few drugs other than opiates that work for chronic pain. - DyDx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@bromac: Almost.. oxycodone is the opiate in Percoset and OxyContin. They are both "sustained release" in a way. Percoset just has a few hundred mgs of Tylenol in the same pill, whereas OxyContin is pure oxycodone. OxyIR is the instant-release form of oxycodone (not sure how it works -- probably coated with a polymer or chemical which allows for very rapid uptake into the stomach lining).
How many mgs were you taking, out of curiosity? I had ACL surgery on Monday and have been taking 5-10 mg of oxycodone (as generic Percoset, not Oxycontin) every 4-6 hours since for pain and I would merely describe it as a euphoric sleepiness. Not the "ride" you describe. More like a moderate marijuana high but longer lasting and less.. hazy. I can still do homework, for example (but I usually end up just lying down and watching TV instead :D )
I had to stop yesterday, though, as the constipation side effect was preventing me from taking a ***** I so desperately needed.. haha! Damn side effects. - SirFoxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@sclifford
You might want to do a little more research. Ultram is Tramadol, a synthetic opiate, and it does have potential to be habit forming, not nearly as great as the other opiates, but potential nonetheless. It is not non-narcotic. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Look, I know it takes a certain mind to break away from ***** you've been conditioned to think and believe, but trust me, you can do certain drugs recreationally and be fine.
bromac, mcduckov, taking a few vicodin for the hell of it will not get you hooked. You sound like a DARE officer.
I had throat surgery and went through Lortab (liquid vicodin) like CANDY for a month straight. 12 oz every 2 days or so (which is a ***** hell of a lot). I enjoyed it, probably took more than I should've because of how fun it was, but after I was healed and didn't need it, that was it. Done. Why? Because I fear becoming addicted. Because I *know* what COULD happen if I went too far.
Which is why I could take 3 vicodin right now, enjoy my night, and spend the next 3 months without.
You people act like if you try it once, you're hooked. No, it's excessive prolonged use that will hook you. I wouldn't know about crack, I've never done it, nor do I care to because of all the ***** that's in it.
Trust me, there IS a difference between use and abuse. - SubliminalUser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4From what I have seen, I don't believe fewer kids are using drugs these days, like those stats say...but they can pick and choose from them to sell what they want. Abuse of prescription drugs can be just as bad as hard drug abuse, so the people who don't want to score crack on the street go to their doctor saying they need Oxy.
- Mc_Carter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The reason Rx drugs are up is because kids parents have the drugs in the house. Kids will sell them at school for a quick buck even sleeping pills are being sold. With such easy access not only from doctors but also patients this has become a serious abuse problem.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5 Absolutely! And hey, if a few people die from it, who cares? If a few are screwed for life from it, whatever! Just as long as they don't do anything natural, with no side effects and no way to profit from it.. That would be bad, real bad.
- SpockGuy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I agree. My friend went to rehab twice (the second time she checked herself in) for Oxycotton abuse. luckily shes been ok for a few months now but still craves for it on occasion. That stuff is highly addictive, and I would really advice anyone to never even think of trying this.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4People don't sub stimulants like that, dude. The same guy I get my Adderall from can sell me weed, coke, meth, etc... And yeah, the drug companies do some pretty deplorable things, but what money making entity is ethical and successful at the same time?
- sclifford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@AtWorkSurfer - What really pisses me off about drug seekers is that folks who are in chronic pain (back pain in my case) often get painted with the same brush. Of course after an MRI the doc goes "Oh, you *really are* screwed up."
IMHO, Ultram ER (non-narcotic pain reliever) is one of the best inventions of pharmaceutical science. Non-narcotic, non-addictive, and it helps manage the pain while keeping a clear head. (And no, I'm not some big pharma shill.) - goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think people should be able to use whatever drug they feel alright with putting inside there body. As soon as it effects other people, that is when that person should be thrown in jail. The government will never be able to control things like this. People LOVE getting ***** up and high. Its pretty normal. Some people hate viewing the world in just one perspective, they like to change it up from time to time. I agree with the guy above though. Prescription drugs abuse is not for me. Those things are worse then any street drug; except ***** like meth.
- asdfasdf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Illegal drug use is only down according to user-submitted surveys. Yes, I'm talking about those surveys we all took in High School that we lied on. However, according to medical records (ER), overdoses on illicit drugs is higher than it has been in the past four decades. John Walters is an ignorant fool.
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=106&sid=1058857
In Washington, D.C, Bill Piper, director of affairs for the Drug Policy Alliance, called the strategy a "spin on the failure of the war on drugs."
He said in a statement that despite incarcerating millions of Americans, drugs are as available as ever and the related harms of addiction, overdose, and the spread of disease continue to mount.
Piper said drug use rates are less important than whether the death, disease, crime and other suffering associated with abuse go up or down. - TheUngod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Illegal drug use down? It's funny that a couple articles above this one, a marijuana article got dugg over 2000 times.
- Hatious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I started using Oxycodone just because I thought it would be fun to get high for the next few weekends. I had heard a lot about Oxycodone and a family member didn't want a 500ml bottle of Roxicodone (instant release liquid Oxycodone) that contained 5mg of Oxy/ml, so I snatched it up. That was a really big mistake that screwed up the next 12 months of my life. Everyone should think twice before you start using any opiates. Opiate use is a very slippery slope and the majority of people who use opiates on a regular basis soon find that they have to take X amount of their drug just to feel normal. If they don't withdrawal ensues and let me tell you it is a living nightmare. Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, Fentanyl, Morphine, Heroin... these are all dangerous drugs and even though some are worse than others they are all very addictive. If you use any of them for long enough you will lose control of your body and the drugs will take over. Be careful.
I wish I could go back to using Oxycodone and Fentanyl. I really do, even though I know how horrible my life was when I stopped. Everyday I think about using. I have slipped up a few times since I stopped using and even though my life was a complete mess because of opiates I still want to use them. That is how addictive these drugs are when used on a regular basis outside of medical guidelines. Getting high is great, but be careful. No one plans on becoming a junkie. I sure didn't. - flameboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This guy thinks drug use is down because schools are drug testing? wtf? Where do they find these guys?
- elShaggy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Big Pharma must be pretty pumped about this too, just a few more additives to increase their addictivity and they will be rolling in dough like the Tobacco Industry!
And i am sure kids are getting lazy, why take the time to roll a joint or pack a bowl when you can just swallow or snort a pill. Scripts are pretty powerful too, its a more efficient way to get ***** up.
I'll stick to the good ole' natural, homegrown, many-jane. - NuttyAvatar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I was in the ER for some health problem of my own and I was in one of those triage stations. The family next to me was with a teen girl who, I felt, was was acting up way too much. She was putting up such and act and complaining of such extreme pains that she was making such a scene. One of the routine question the doctor asked was if she had been to this ER before. She said a LOT OF TIMES! I don't get it. The way she was acting gives me a feeling she wanted some prescription medicine out of it. I don't know what happened. But looks like she keeps going back and seems to be getting what she wants. Or maybe she has real problems for which she needs real treatment!
- computergod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Defiantly going up with the rise of the internet. There are lots of chemists in countries like China, India, and Russia pumping out all kinds of fun stuff. It is almost exclusively psychedelics though, so people don't seem to mind.
- TheElectricMonk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2my uncle is addicted to oxy, :(
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I wonder what the stats are like on designer drugs; the substances that aren't necessarily controlled by the federal government, but could still get you into a bit of trouble under some chemical scrutiny; the stuff they try to pass off as illegal drugs.
- CoolWind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Illegal Drug Use Down, Perscription Drug Abuse Up"
Doctors are replacing drug dealers... if you have the bucks. - archcvd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is reminding me of House. Mmmmm, Vicadin ;)
- RobotCollege, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nice job spelling Prescription
- Mrstupid7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@bobdole369
North Carolina sells hemp stamps. Several members of our HEMP club bought some. We bought them just as a joke, but it's also a good way to keep from getting busted for tax evasion for selling weed. - AeonTorpor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hello, my name is Tony Sinclair and _this_ is how you Tanqueray.
- prurigro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@dkm201
I think the thing here is not that you cant get addicted to opiates, because its obvious you can- but rather that if you don't subject yourself to almost a week of on an off use (what it typically takes to get addicted with, at this point, mild withdrawals) and instead say use once a week or once a month, if you do really like opiates, that they wont become your life..
The media(schools,tv etc) educate people about not over drinking and that alcohol is fine in moderation etc, and a lot of people seem to listen to the media about this- some people of course still become addicted to alcohol, but most people are fine. The media doesn't say much about opiates tho, other than about how you can get hooked your first time, and showing comparisons of heroin to a wire cutter on your brain.. I imagine less people who try it would become addicted if they knew some information beyond "dont do it"- cuz when you first try an opiate (I've had a bottle of codeine from a minor surgery) it feels like everything the medias said about them is false, they kick in- you feel good and then they gently wear off and you're just as happy and content the next day as you were before you took it. Scaring people prevents some use, but teaching people helps smart use for everyone who would do it anyway :) - lunasunshine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1as a pharmacist, i have to also agree that addicts are a problem. drug shoppers hurt the system. they are the reason that people want to get rid of oxycontin. people who have cancer do not get pain relief without high high doses of opiates. they just don't. (sorry supposed to reply to the 2 doctors down the thread further)
@dydx
percocet is not sustained release. it does have apap in it though.
people like oxycontin because when they crush it (and destroy the time release part) they get 80mg (usually over 8-12h) in about 1 hour. big peak, big high.
its scary stuff. highly highly addicting and easy for high school kids to get. - bromac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Covering crime up?
There's no cover up. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AS MUCH ANYMORE. There's nothing to cover up.
It did get to the core of the problem. Aggressive drunken males. I suggest you go look at the arrest statistics and see how many crimes are commited under the influence of alcohol.
People don't get high and go home to beat their wife. - bluelightnin90, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In the article it says "second only to marijuana." I am for legalization of marijuana, but why is that number 1 on the list. Crack, meth, and heroin are far far worse. Somebody needs to get their priorities straight.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And yet marijunana CURES cancer
http://www.digg.com/health/Marijuana_Kills_Cancer_suck_it_DEA
Get stoned, eat grapes. - DrugAbuseHelp, on 03/18/2009, -0/+1Perscription Drug Abuse is a major problem in US nowdays.
Check out the info on oxycontin:
http://www.drugs.com/oxycontin.html
http://www.drugabusehelp.com/drugs/oxycontin/
http://www.rxlist.com/oxycontin-drug.htm
Latest stats say its one of the most commonly abused drugs - Phrag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@81v3d07g0d
Well you are wrong all over the place on that one. Pot is not addictive and marinol does not give you all the good effects of smoking marijuana. For one, marinol is just synthetic THC and does not contain the many other cannabiniods in weed that give you the beneficial medical effects. Swallowing THC is the least effective method for delivery so even the beneficial effects of the THC that you do get are diminished. I lived with two men who had AIDs and they smoked weed. They had a perscription for Marinol but didn't use it because the marinol didn't work and was more expensive than the weed. They didn't just want to get high. They needed it to eat so please go get some experience and education on these topics before spouting off your BS about people just wanting to get high. -
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