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- kaelyiesta, on 03/12/2009, -1/+35I hesitate to politicize a scientific article, but I really am disgusted with the drug industry, schools and parents for so quickly putting their children on the first pill they come across to 'cure' their kids. It's not like this subject has been well researched and we just got lucky with this new line of thought. We don't have nearly enough evidence to start cramming drugs into children yet. This article is a good example of that fact.
For something so innocuous as hyperactivity, we don't need to resort to such drastic and unknown approaches for most cases. We should wait until more facts are in before risking permanent damage to a kid just so he is less active. - 12916studios, on 03/13/2009, -1/+22It would have been nice to know this years ago...you know, before my mom starting shoving pills at me every ***** day for the last ten years of my life. Because for the ten years I was on ADHD meds, my grades were *****. Then I got off them. I now get just about all A's.
See? Sometimes pushing pills at a kid is actually NOT the right answer. If only parents would consider that for once. - NotedFuturist, on 03/13/2009, -1/+21Man has built a system into which some children don't fit. The system is the problem, not the child.
Maybe if we eliminate all recess and PE, make the school day longer, assign more homework- younger, and make school year-round... MAYBE THEN WE CAN SELL MORE DRUGS!!!? - kd420, on 03/12/2009, -3/+22Exactly, these people are often looking for a "cure" when there isn't a problem to begin with. You're telling me a kid is getting restless when he is forced to sit in a chair for five hours and copy notes from a chalk board? Drug him up and he'll sit still! People are fast to blame the child for being the problem, rather than the environment he or she is put into.
I, for example, have to force myself (like most) to do a scrap of work if I am not interested in, yet I can work for hours without end on a project I enjoy. Likewise, if students are taught in a way that makes them comfortable they are more likely to learn. But of course this requires actual effort, unlike a pill. - yocouchdigga, on 03/13/2009, -4/+19were you saying something?
I saw a squirrel...
he was like: *(^ _ ^)*
IMMA GO CATCH HIM NOW, BYE! :DDD - phantasm000, on 03/13/2009, -2/+11I completely disagree, however I believe it is extremely over-diagnosed
- mrgreenjeans, on 03/12/2009, -1/+9I read about
- cawpin, on 03/13/2009, -0/+8The only reason they were DIAGNOSED with ADHD is because somebody had to make hyperactivity a disease.
- vilago, on 03/13/2009, -1/+7I have to agree and disagree. I was so ultra-hyper as a child that my mom had difficulty just keeping me from hurting myself so i was medicated. At the time, there wasnt any question since it made me easier to deal with. I have adult adhd and i don't take any medication since i do not like the way i feel on amphetamines and ritalin, but my life can be extremely difficult sometimes. it isnt a matter of just staying on task. sometimes i forget things very easily or lose my train of thought to such a degree that it interferes with my work. and it isnt just a matter of "just remembering" it is very frustrating when you can't remember the simplest task or something you did yesterday and you feel like you have no control. so yes medication can be helpful for some people who have it bad enough to warrant it, but it also can be dehibilitating. i guess it depends more on the person than anything. as for permanent damage, i can't say that i would be any different than i would have been had i not been medicated. and there really isnt any research to support that it has long term effects. so i wouldnt argue one way or the other.
- inactive, on 03/13/2009, -5/+11The existence of ADHD is rather questionable.
- ILoveBoobies, on 03/13/2009, -2/+8If I could digg this reply a thousand times I would.
- Metasquares, on 03/13/2009, -1/+6I was "diagnosed" with ADD by my teachers as a child because I wouldn't sit still during lectures, and was very nearly medicated. No one would believe me when I said I was just bored. It wasn't until they took me to a psychologist and had my IQ tested that they realized they had nearly medicated me for being gifted. Instead, I was placed in a gifted class. Not only did my grades rise and did I cease to find the lectures boring, but I actually began to like school for the short period of time I was in those classes. I shudder to think of how I would have turned out if they had went through with the medication instead.
- Lurial, on 03/13/2009, -0/+5i was an adhd kid, my mom outright refused to gie me pills, enrolled me in karate(where i learned discipline) i am now a perfectly normal adult, and i happen to excell in almost everything i do
adhd doesnt need to be cured, it needs to be harnessed. - max420, on 03/13/2009, -0/+4This is an interesting article, as I have ADHD, and as a child I was put on Ritalin and Dexedrin, as well as other so called miracle cures. I feel like they ***** up parts of my childhood that I will never get back. I firmly believe that ADHD requires no pharmaceutical treatment, and that kids with ADHD can become well adjusted if parents and teachers accept it, and take steps to keep the child engaged.
Telling them to stop fiddling and pay attention doesn't help, just antagonizes them. Kids with ADHD are just normal kids, but their thoughts are in overdrive, they think much faster then most people, and if you can find someone that enthrall's them, then you can effectively teach them.
For some reason as a kid, computers were what would keep me glued in one place for hours, and found I learned a lot of stuff which helped in school and in real life, just by messing around with my computer. I would try different things, experiment, and play lots of computer games too. - philz, on 03/13/2009, -1/+5Wrong. Having ADD/ADHD is horror for both. For example: (Most? All?) ADD/ADHD Kids find it more difficult to socialize which can make their childhood feel like hell..
- mbm1512, on 03/13/2009, -0/+4So this is legal to give our children? http://www.rxlist.com/desoxyn-drug.htm
and not to be the annoying "pothead" but I find it unacceptable that medical Methamphetamine is legal and prescribed to children while cancer patients cannot have marijuana - waluum, on 03/13/2009, -0/+3I was diagnosed with ADD when I was younger because I was performing poorly (when I didn't apply myself, at least - the public education platform is a nightmare in virtually every conceivable way, in my opinion) throughout junior high and high school, so they put me on Adderall. I was on it for a few months then took myself off because I didn't feel that it was necessary. A year or so later, after dropping out of high school, I got a GED which I had a very high score on and went out to college where I got straight A's.
My experience, coupled with what I observed in others around me, led me to conclude that (a) most cases are misdiagnosed, and (b) the symptoms exhibited, which doctors/scientists feel need to labeled as 'ADD/ADHD', are the product of inadequate environment where the shortcomings of the system that we are forced to function under are primarily responsible for bringing it out in the first place.
I never met one individual who had the ADD/ADHD label slapped on them, and/or was taking medication to treat it, who was not misdiagnosed and could not properly function (even excel) in an ideal environment. - TheSexyGeek, on 03/13/2009, -0/+3I've never been diagnosed, but I'm pretty sure I have some form of ADD. My sister has been diagnosed with ADD. She tells me I'm 10x worse than she could ever be.
This article made a lot of sense to me and made me realize why I do some of the things I do.I find that when I'm trying to find a pen, I make the motion of writing in order to jog my memory. If I'm at the computer and can't remember what i was doing, I wiggle my fingers as if typing to get my mind back to where it was. I tap my feet, drum on my desk, etc. This article made me realize how much i do this. I usually do this without thinking about it.
Very interesting article. - max420, on 03/13/2009, -0/+3It exists, I can personally attest to it, and it's effects. But phantasm000 is right, it is over-diagnosed. Mostly because you have parents who can't handle their kids being kids, and go out searching for medical reasons for the behavior. Doctors are more then happy to oblige and diagnose kids with ADHD, because it sells drugs. It really is a horrid crime, with children as the victims.
- xtmno3, on 03/13/2009, -5/+8In b4 everyone on digg pretends they have ADD or ADHD.
- CoreyTamas, on 03/13/2009, -0/+3You're very right, Max. I think sometimes people are skeptical of ADD because it's a word that's thrown around so much that people who merely have a short attention span diagnose themselves with it every day. It's a little hard to sell ADD as a real phenomenon when people use it to explain why they can't watch an entire episode of "How I Met Your Mother".
- Snokage, on 03/13/2009, -0/+3its probably because all doctors just say kids have it to sell some pills.
- ugmoe, on 03/13/2009, -0/+3The title is incorrect:
All the article says is that both children diagnosed with ADHD and control children fidget more when performing working memory tasks than when they perform nonworking memory tasks. And it noted that the ADHD children fidget more in both cases than the control children.
It says nothing about ADHD children remembering better due to extra fidgeting.
It sets out a hypothesis that perhaps fidgiting helps all children during working memory tasks and that possibly that there is a reason related to this that fidgeting is higher in ADHD children. - Manther, on 03/13/2009, -0/+2You're a little too late.... Better luck next time.
- NotedFuturist, on 03/13/2009, -0/+2It's not just the parents here. Many school districts will mandate that in order to continue attending their schools, any kid they decide has ADHD must take the meds. So the schools force the parents to force the kids.
And the psychiatrist's drive their BMW's to the bank, and then to their homes in the hills. - stonewaljacksn, on 03/13/2009, -1/+3WHO LOVES ADDERALL
- Manther, on 03/13/2009, -0/+2Probably only helps if they're not taking drugs to "help" the "problem"...
- voldron, on 03/13/2009, -0/+2Same
- skav, on 03/13/2009, -0/+2This is an FMRI study that shows that ADHD-designated children show less blood flow in the anterior cingulate cortex (this just means the front of the outside of the brain, like under your forehead) when doing a particular task. They show more activation in other, more interior brain structures called the "Basal Ganglia."
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroop_effect for the task.
The paper just shows that there's a difference when you give these ADHD-designated children drugs, that makes their brain blood flow during the task more closely resemble non-ADHD-designated children.
What this DOESN"T show is that ADHD is anything more more exotic than the hundreds of other ways that peoples' brains behave differently from one another. It doesn't even show that the ADHD kids are worse at the task, just that they don't show this "stroop" effect. There are thousands of tests you could devise for all sorts of brain functions, and you could designate populations that perform them badly as having a disease. This doesn't mean that your disease exists in a legitimate way.
This paper doesn't show that ADHD is anything more than a designation for people whose brains vary in a particular way, a way which is inconvenient to the modern school system.
There may be other work that proves something more about ADHD, but the paper you link isn't good evidence. - aforsberg, on 03/13/2009, -0/+2Quickly Gir! What did you learn??
Gir is the single best reason not to try to 'fix' ADHD. - 12916studios, on 03/13/2009, -2/+4I know! I ***** hate when people do that...
OOH! SHINY OBJECT! - jayrok, on 03/14/2009, -0/+2...said by the offpsring of a couple of sub-par parents.
- coadyj, on 03/13/2009, -0/+2really?? i saw a bear where did he go???
- Rivetgeek, on 03/16/2009, -0/+2Ok see, you're the retard I was talking about. Im not trying to prove causation so your correlation != causation argument is specious and misplaced. In smaller words: GTFO
- ThunderPigs, on 03/13/2009, -1/+3To say something like ADHD doesn't exist at all is very ignorant.
- Metasquares, on 03/13/2009, -0/+2You sound like someone who really has ADHD ("just keeping me from hurting myself" sounds like it), and it sounds like the medications are working well for you, which is good. The problem is that many people are diagnosed with the illness who don't actually have it, and the medications do alter the brain chemistry, so it seems reasonable that they can have long term psychological and behavioral effects on otherwise healthy people.
- cornstarch5, on 03/14/2009, -0/+2Have you tried meditation? There's been plenty of evidence showing that it can help boost concentration and memory function.
I too have problems staying on task and remembering things, but due to physical complications, I am not prescribed to medication. After a few weeks of practicing meditation, even if it was just a few minutes a day, I noticed that I was able to recall things much more easily and focus on tasks for longer periods of time.
It seems that people are so ready to blame external conditions for problems, when often solutions can be found just by looking in... That's not to say that ADD/ADHD isn't a legitimate physical issue, I just think that it's pointed at way too much for the sake of having an easy way out, as well as for making pharmaceutical companies ridiculous amounts of money. - nepidae, on 03/13/2009, -0/+2I'm pretty sure the point of the drugs for ADHD has always been to quell independent thought.
- Rivetgeek, on 03/13/2009, -1/+3Before all the god damned retards come down saying ADHD isn't real
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15876503 - SethEllis, on 03/13/2009, -0/+2I don't see how you can argue that it does not have long term effects. These medications change behavior. They literally change who you are as a person. It will completely change your childhood experiences. How can that not have long term effects?
- Bologner, on 03/13/2009, -1/+2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_vs._farmer_the ...
I also have been diagnosed with ADHD, and I found the pills hurt me more than helped. I've developed an allergic reaction to the pills, and now since I can't take them, I can't pay attention at al- oooooo, a penny! - imacmike, on 03/13/2009, -4/+5Huh? What was this story about again? I wasn't paying attention.
- vzerbee, on 03/16/2009, -0/+1The problem that I have with ADHD is the drugs young children are given to treat it. I would think, as a non-life threatening issue, a natural alternative would be researched and tried first. There are not side effects from natural solutions, only side benefits. There's also research that supports nutrition can help, so why not try it vs meds?
- flossdaily, on 03/14/2009, -0/+1Anyone who calls hyperactivity innocuous has clearly never experienced an actual case. The word gets thrown around too much, but a truly hyperactive child is a force of nature.
- emtoguoy, on 03/13/2009, -0/+1My mom did the same no pills at 5 started martial arts learned to control my self across the board. I am very thankful for that today. Also you are correct ADHD needs to be harnessed it can be used to your advantage once you learn how to use it.
- richirwin, on 03/13/2009, -0/+1Just think of all the ADHD kids who could name every Pokemon.
1. Bulbasaur
2. Ivysaur
3 Venusaur
... - crazygamer67688, on 03/13/2009, -0/+1Well, if the fidgeting helps, and the ADHD children fidget more than the normal children, then you could *hypothesize* that the ADHD children will remember better due to their extra fidgeting. I am not saying that they are correct, but I can see why they would title the article the way they did.
- NotedFuturist, on 03/13/2009, -0/+1It did. But people abdicated their responsibility to "experts".
Watch out anytime the news, or anyone cites "experts" (my user name is a mocking rip on that). - Rivetgeek, on 03/17/2009, -0/+1Well I think I've pretty much proven you haven't the slightest clue how science works so it's pretty safe to say you're either retarded or 12. Either way I'm done here. Besides, don't you have a moon landing conspiracy to ramble about?
- enginbeeringSB, on 03/13/2009, -0/+1Then our schools would be more like China's! Yay!
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