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- kidcodea, on 05/08/2009, -2/+50cognitive advancement?
sounds like a lie to me. - inactive, on 05/09/2009, -0/+38Lying works when you tell a person what they want to hear.
- 0mniscient, on 05/09/2009, -2/+35The statement below is false
The statement above is true - popzero, on 05/08/2009, -2/+29But liars never prosper. I swear this is true.
- SirBruce, on 05/09/2009, -0/+27As an adult I primarily lie for two reasons:
1. Because the lie is simpler than explaining the truth, and I don't think the truth matters in the context. These are more or less the same as "white lies". These lies can be bad, especially when it causes the other person to make false assumptions, and can lead to trouble. But usually they are harmless, and should I be pressed on the issue, I'll usually fess up to the lie and explain the whole truth. The fact that I said I walked someplace when in fact I took a cab probably doesn't matter much to you; I just didn't want to get into a discussion about the cost of cab fare and why I didn't drive.
2. Because while I don't think what I'm lying about was morally wrong, YOU do, and I don't want to take the time or energy to convince you you're wrong, nor do I want the negative fallout from how you may react if you insist on believing it was wrong. This is not the same as not owning up to misdeeds; if I KNOW I did wrong, I'll admit it. But if I didn't, andI just don't want to convince you that having a sexual encounter with an engaged woman is okay, then I'll lie about it.
The lies that bother me the most personally are when I'm expected to lie by another person in order to cover up THEIR lie to a third-party. Often the justification offered is "It's none of their business", and that may be true, but I don't mind telling them the truth. YOU mind me telling them the truth. And that sucks. - Kahnza, on 05/09/2009, -0/+26These are not the droids you are looking for...
- reyoo30309, on 05/09/2009, -0/+22-Gets home.
-"Ah, crap. Those were the droids I was looking for..." - vsujohn2, on 05/09/2009, -0/+19No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.
-Abraham Lincoln - Jake10, on 05/09/2009, -0/+17It seems the main specific reason you lie is 'cos you're to lazy to get into the truth.
- Vodd9, on 05/09/2009, -0/+15WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?
- dharmajunkie, on 05/09/2009, -0/+14"How to Tell If A Politician is Lying"
Their lips are moving. - AlterLite, on 05/09/2009, -4/+16Change you can believe in?
- teh_techie, on 05/09/2009, -0/+12Spoken like a true liar!
- hobagjones, on 05/09/2009, -0/+8Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test.
- bratterscain, on 05/09/2009, -1/+8Lying is just not giving you accurate and/or relevant information. We all live a lie. We all see the world in our viewpoint. We don't want to step into that little pig's view that just got slaughtered so we could feast. It doesn't mean that little pig's view is right or wrong, we just choose to see the view which is beneficial and/or relevant only for us. The truth as we see it has a human bias. You see your viewpoint, I see mine, which I'm showing. Then I see yours and mine. All different views of the same object.
Just seeing your viewpoint is beneficial for survival, so it's put first, then someone else's if you're looking to make friends, so you can understand them and make them beneficial to you. We all cover up some part of the truth because the other is not beneficial for our survival. So in that sense, I don't see it as right or wrong, it's just people trying to survive. Just as some of us ignore truths such as kids starving elsewhere, we ignore it because it's not beneficial or relevant for us. Some of us ignore it, some of us act in denial, some of us bluntly lie about other people who may be in real problematic situations. We all put away more truths than we sometimes think. - supermanly, on 05/09/2009, -0/+7*****! YOU DIVIDED BY ZER-
- Howtolitho101, on 05/09/2009, -1/+8Well it is change, different then the last 8 years.
- dsfjvhbd, on 05/09/2009, -0/+6This is the same old nonsense idea, that nervousness is a sign of lying. If you tell the truth, but fear, they won't believe you, you will get nervous, and the nervousness will suddenly increase, when the important question comes. If you lie but are confident, they will believe you, you will stay calm.
- tgc1, on 05/09/2009, -0/+6Except when they work for the Government or the "Justice" System.
- PorcusWallabee, on 05/09/2009, -0/+5I was about 4 years old when my baby sitter's son did something really naughty. She asked him why he did it and he replied "I don't know why I did it."
This blew my mind. I'm pretty sure this one event profoundly changed me in ways I'm not even sure of. - bobbi21, on 05/09/2009, -2/+7saying it's cognitive advancement is kinda like saying how strangling someone to death is a sign of physical advancement. Or how covering up a murder would be a sign of cognitive advancement.
These things just require you to be strong or smart to do it effectively. Doesn't mean you have to do it to show you're strong or smart. - philipnorris, on 11/18/2009, -0/+5There is no recession... I mean, there's no recession... I mean... damn it!
- rotundo, on 05/09/2009, -1/+6Yeah, I don't buy their premise. Lying is "smart" in the short term, but almost always backfires in the long term. I've seen so many clever liars go down in flames eventually. As far as I can tell, it's a sign of cognitive advancement to lie when you first realize you can do it, and then by the time you're in your 20's it's a sign of cognitive advancement to see the pattern that lying ends up backfiring down the road. They you choose to be fully honest, even when inconvenient, in the interest of building a more stable dependable life and relationships.
- Maddoktor2, on 05/09/2009, -2/+6How does lying work?
Ask the GOP - they're pros. - avataros, on 05/09/2009, -1/+5Yes, but what if someone who asks for the truth can't handle the truth?
- average650, on 05/09/2009, -0/+3You really believe truth is relative? So say I take a cookie. Then I say I didn't take the cookie and everyone believes me. So did I take the cookie? Obviously I did.
You can't say truth is relative. TO say truth is relative is to attempt to make an absolutly true statment, which is not possible when you say truth is relative.
In your first example, the truth is you did something. Your mom may not belive you, but she is wrong because you did do something. She thinks it's a lie but she's wrong.
With the nathm, we were wrong until we found the exception. The rule was never true, we jsut thought it was. Truth is not relative, nor does it change. To say so leads to contradictions every time. - Cornfedhusker, on 05/09/2009, -0/+3He's lying!
- rotundo, on 05/09/2009, -0/+3Depends what your definition of "works" is. Yeah, it often works in the moment, but it often doesn't work in the long run. I've seen a lot of people who go around telling folks what they want to hear and eventually people catch on.
It is pretty rare to find someone who lies a lot who stays successful. Honesty is usually a better long term approach. - asgardshill, on 05/09/2009, -0/+3No, I am not going to do it. Just go watch the damn movie ;)
- cheerfulcynic, on 05/09/2009, -0/+3FTA (how to lie convincingly):
"Remain steady. It's important that you keep an evenness to your mannerisms and mood before, during and after the lie. If you're feeling nervous before your lie, keep acting nervous. If you're relaxed before someone hits you with an unexpected question, stay relaxed. It's the shift in tone and body language that will clue someone in to your fabricating ways. Once the questioning is over, don't suddenly relax or appear relieved. If you were agitated while lying, stay agitated after the lying is finished. A person standing watch in a guard tower looks for motion or a change in the environment, and so too does a person looking for a lie. Give him or her as little as possible to work with." - seventhc, on 05/09/2009, -0/+2I'd like to say that I enjoyed the article but I'd be lying.
- average650, on 05/09/2009, -0/+2Is true that truth is relative?
You're saying truth is contained in what we believe?
SO our beliefs determine truth?
Tell me something, if I believe I can fly, and I jump off a building, am I going to fly or crash to the ground?
And in the cookie example "Which one is it then? That depends." It doesn't depend. I took the cookie. I can't both take the cookie and not take the cookie, that's complete nonsense.
Are you telling the truth that truth is relative or are you lying?
You must say it's both, but that's a contradiction, which makes no sense. - painting, on 05/09/2009, -0/+2I only lie when I don't want to tell the truth
- stonebear, on 05/09/2009, -2/+4In what way?
- Alias1431, on 05/09/2009, -5/+7I did not comment here.
- MortalynFlux, on 05/09/2009, -0/+2I always tell the truth, even when I lie.
- average650, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1unless you're just talking about people's beliefs, but liek I said, they don't necessarily correspond to reality, see the jumping off a building example.
- inactive, on 05/10/2009, -0/+1Or Congress
- bobbi21, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1Depends what you're lying about of course. The "Do I look fat in this dress" lie doesn't really do much. I'd prefer to have a gf who can actually take constructive criticism from her bf but that's hard to find. Even the "I claim my goldfish as a dependent" usually doesn't backfire. (Millions of ppl cheat on their taxes)
For the most part, though, it's better for everyone if you're honest. Honesty should be the rule. But "rules are meant to make you think before you break them." - Terry Pratchett
Be smart in your lies. And realize lies hurt someone 99% of the time. That should be enough to keep it down. - Maddoktor2, on 05/10/2009, -0/+1Of course they're not - they're just the best at it.
When you do something 24/7, you get pretty good.
2000 - present is proof positive of that. - sharedknowledge, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1funny- is just wrote about the deception and concealment in relationships. ck it out. thx.
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-4793-DC-Marriag ... - inactive, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1ahh! my brain hurts. dratz
- spence1818, on 05/14/2009, -0/+1I never lie, i just tell the truth in opposite-world
- BaconOclock, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1Dugg for scarface reference.
- bonarez, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1I was brought up to be good at lying, saw my parents do it all the time, so I did it too. I had to learn to stop lying, to keep me from getting into more trouble.. I still catch myself from time to time telling people what they want to hear, but way lesser then when I was young.. People need to hear what they need to hear..
- tomjunlee, on 05/11/2009, -0/+1Geez... I don't sound that serious, do I?
I WAS throwing a lopsided response - just getting something up in the air.
But again, avoiding conflict - personal desires - these are still "selfish" in that it involves the self; so my original point still stands.
And a culture that has gone a step further is: rebellion (as an example) - TyIsOwned, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1I LOL'd
- cheerfulcynic, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1they went a step further from" defining what they mean by lying" - they listed the personalities of typical liars & their motivations
Pathological liars
Compulsive liars
Narcissists
Histrionic personalities - inactive, on 05/09/2009, -0/+1Around age 2 or 3, children realize that they're not under constant observation by an all-knowing, all-seeing Eye of Truth.
Fun extrapolation there.. -
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