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- meshman, on 10/12/2007, -22/+69Meh, people have been using these products for years and there's... wait! BABIES?!?! Oh my god, ban everything. Shampoos, toothpaste, soap... We can't have this or babies will die by the million every day!!! For god sakes, thank of the babies!
- mattmeow, on 10/12/2007, -3/+271,4-Dioxane is primarily used in solvent applications for the manufacturing sector; however, it is also found in fumigants and automotive coolant. Additionally, the chemical is also used as a foaming agents and appears as an accidental byproduct of the ethoxylation[1] process in cosmetics manufacturing. It may contaminate cosmetics and personal care products such as deodorants, shampoos, toothpastes and mouthwashes.
1,4-dioxane is a known eye and respiratory tract irritant. It is suspected of causing damage to the central nervous system, liver and kidneys. [3] Accidental worker exposure to 1,4-dioxane has resulted in several deaths.[4] Dioxane is classified by the IARC as a Group 2B carcinogen: possibly carcinogenic to humans due to the fact that it is a known carcinogen in animals.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioxane
http://www.atypon-link.com/AOAC/doi/abs/10.5555/jaoi.2001.84.3.666 - dcmjzero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23if you think that picture is "NSFW", then you are a sick person. seek help.
- profOblivion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21That's not a hair question.
- TheCod, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22I believe the most practical solution is not to feed your baby its Johnson & Johnson anti-tear shampoo
- Niten, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I agree that, generally speaking, people often overreact to any health news involving young children. I would argue that a large part of this is simply due to a healthy parenting instinct, but that's beside the point: In this case, the fact that this substance is present in children's products is highly relevant. The effect of such a chemical, should it be shown to act as a carcinogen in humans, would likely be even be more dangerous to a human that early in the development process.
More research needs to be done, of course, but that doesn't mean we should simply discount this as a problem in the meantime. - francisew, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I'm just about done my Ph.D. in Chemistry. Dioxane is bad. But it depends on the concentration.
From the MSDS sheet: ORL-RAT LD50 7120 mg/kg.
That means it's deadly to rats when eaten at a level of 7 grams per kilogram of body mass. Hence the LD50 for a human child should be somewhere around 70 grams (assuming a small - 10 kg child). There would be nowhere near that level in a commercial product, just trace amounts as a byproduct. It would be interesting to see the actual concentrations present in the products mentioned.
As per carcinogenicity, I'd like to see real data showing a trend, and showing the exposure risk relationships.
As far as I can tell, this is someone more educated than the average, making people afraid, and causing them to (unnecessarily) purchase more expensive alternative products. SLS, SLES and SDS are used as industrial soaps (A.K.A. detergents or surfactants).
This is nothing to get overly excited about, though additional scientific and medical studies are warranted. - slapded, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11shampoo is better. it goes on first and cleans the hair.
- leoedin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Oh shut up - its hardly not safe for work - its not even visibly naked. If you live somewhere so prudish you can't have a picture of a baby in a bath tub, then you really need to move...
Anyway...you shouldn't be browsing digg at work anyway :D - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Dioxane is some serious stuff.
This might come as a shock to all the mouth breathers on digg that love to pla the old "hurrr chemicals, ill take my chances hurrrr", but Dioxane is the real deal.
We are not allowed to handle it at my work without strict safety measures in place. *****, anyone with some chemistry or biology background will tell you how bad this stuff is. - RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17Hippies are always looking for an excuse not to use soap.
- verifex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9If you are worried about the stuff in your shampoo, just go buy stuff from these people:
http://www.jason-natural.com/
or
http://www.philosophy.com/
They both work great and don't have all that nasty stuff in them. - Amadeus2490, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The same people who don't care about deadly chemicals are the same ones that say "i'll keep buying fast food as long as it's cheap and readily available."
That isn't the worst thing in shampoos, though. For anyone that doesn't believe me check out research done by universities:
http://www.healthy-communications.com/slsmostdangerousirritant.html
I use natural soaps, and I eat clean food. To say i'm a hippie because i'm conscious about my health would be like me saying that everyone on Digg is a hippie because they all smoke pot, and support legalization of it; Not true. - vinnie175, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Conditioner is better. I leave the hair silky and smooth
- snockhockster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Aspartame is perfectly safe. All the multi million corporations that use it said so... so it must be true. What do those foolish doctors know? It's not like doctors have shareholders or anything....
- pathy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12If you think that's scary, just read up in dihydrogen monoxide, that's the *real* scary *****. http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
- decadence, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Personally I like to be fairly sure a chemical is not a carcinogen before I ingest it or rub it all over my naked body and think that's a good thing that some of the people regulating these things feels the same way.
- toxicgonzo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7And to think, you guys laughed at me when I said I didn't shower.
- pahoehoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"That simply would not happen today."
That's a lot of faith my friend. - vinnie175, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7It is the chemicals that give us the tingly feeling to let us know it is working
- blinkfink182, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I felt like I stepped into a time machine and traveled back to 1995 with that link.
- vikingcoder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@meshman
> Meh, people have been using these products for years and there's...
Just like asbestos, lead water pipes, etc... - decadence, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Yeah... ***** health and safety...
- sergeantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Can we just all agree as a group to stop being shocked when bizarre man made compounds that humans would never naturally come in contact with prove to be carcinogenic?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Digg me down if you want to, but the truth is Dioxane is one of the most dangerous chemicals at our lab. Now the article doesn't say what concentration it is in, and without that you won't know the true danger, but rest assured Dioxane is some nasty nasty stuff.
Maybe you internet badasses should go grab some NaAzide and eat that. It's just chemicals hurrr! - MrWhistler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3And how many solvents are in Cigarettes?
- maize, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12I'll take my chances...
- lmho, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What I dislike about this article is that is shows the baby products that are bad, but it doesn't show what's good. What am I supposed to use now?
- pahoehoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"viking...terrible, as usual short sighted comparison."
Yeah, not the best comparison, and there's certainly an opportunity to overreact here, but if research shows that a product could be made healthier to use, that's not such a bad thing. There were people who blew off accusations that lead paint / leaded gasoline / asbestos / saturated fat / second-hand smoke / first-hand smoke / carbon dioxide / etc. / are potentially dangerous or cause problematic secondary effects, and after all the science is in... who's the shortsighted one? - yohnkrb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Yeah, no *****. My friend nearly died after being exposed to it for 2 mins. He actually went into shock. And we live in Wisconsin too... you think you'd be safe in the Northwoods but no!
- xBDVx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2These guys are overreacting. Here's a link to dioxane's Material Safety Data Sheet:
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/search/ProductDetail/SIAL/360481 (click MSDS under "related information" to the right)
Yes, it is flammable and it can react with air to form explosives. It is also has "limited evidence of carcinogenic effect" (based on the fact that it can cause cancer in some animals, but not necessarily in humans). I would agree that more reserach has to be done with this chemical, but it would be dumb to ban it from products.
It's not very dangerous when it's sold to consumers. It's MIXED into shampoo, which would limit it's ability to react or burn (have you ever tried to set your shampoo on fire?). Since it's in a mixture of other stuff, it's not going to evaporate (or rather, it's vapor pressure is really low), so it's not going to get into your lungs and hurt you. Even when pure, it's merely a respiratory and skin irritant. EVERYTHING that has a MSDS is listed as being an irritant, so this is nothing new. Obviously, one has to respect that they are dealing with chemicals and be careful to not breathe it in all the time because it will eventually cause some kind of long term effect. - qber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3buried for viewing picture of baby girl as something sexual. pervert.
- rkolter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2... wait, no math error. and the edit window vanished before I could fix it. Francisew is right.
And I'd need 700 grams of the stuff to have a 50% chance of killing me. :P - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2viking...terrible, as usual short sighted comparison. When people were using those still, there medical technology and forensics was not nearly as good as it was now. So while people were getting sick or dying from these, the connection wasn't made for a long time. That simply would not happen today. IF this was causing people to get sick, we'd know about it now because htey'd have been getting sick for decades.
- PadreHomer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3There's ground up cockroaches in your Cheerios
- mustbepatient, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm not really all that impressed with the treehugger site, but the site they link to (www.ewg.org) looks like it has a vast wealth of information, so I'm digging this article just for that link. It's pretty slow right now, so maybe other diggers are seeing it for the first time too...
- janne1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Also, hasn't this been common knowledge for a long long time? 1,4 dioxane is certainly (not in question) a carcinogen, but more commonly it causes cataracts.
- noreturn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Guys, it's in the same group of carcinogens that exists in coffee and pickles and engine exhaust. I'm not saying it something you should be smearing on your kids non stop, but it's not exactly going to kill them faster than any number of other things in our world.
- arpad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So let's see, the LD50 (lethal dose in 50% of exposures) is 7 grams per kilogram of body weight. That means for a 180 lb. man the LD50 dose would be a little over a pound ( 180 lb = 82kg, 82 * 7 = 574mg = 1 lb 2.4 ounces ) of this stuff.
This stuff's more dangerous if you're hit on the head with the container it comes in.
Sleazy little enviro-liars. - bytesmythe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@vikingcoder
If you want real natural products, try these brands:
http://www.drbronner.com/ (Their SunDog lip balm is the best in the universe.)
http://www.aubrey-organics.com/
http://www.burtsbees.com/
Check the label on the back of something by Avalon, Jason's, Nature's Gate, or pretty much any other "natural" product line and then compare to the ones I listed. - megaloid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The original variety of Dr. Bronner's Soap is made entirely from peppermint oil, and I can assure anyone contemplating washing their hair with it that the ***** is no joke. Half a handful of it will turn your scalp red if you leave it on for more than thirty seconds or so, and a standard-sized bottle of it will allow the average man to enjoy this scalp-scalding cleanliness for an entire year.
- bioskope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1its to kill the aliens silly, didnt watching 'Evolution' teach you anything
- diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1first we used soap, when water was clean. now water has chlorine and our shampoo is detergent based. use natural products if you care so much, i do.
- pahoehoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1bury
- vikingcoder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Use natural products.
For example:
http://www.avalonorganics.com/ - villium, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Not tested on Animals is just code speak for: It's already turned hundreds of dogs into creatures reminiscent of John Carpenters, The Thing.
- BigSlacker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well, don't drink it? If you really want to screw yourself up, take a swig of automatic dishwasher liquid.
- rickpelletier, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Stop looking at me, SWAN!
- dtfinch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Almost everything contains just a little bit of almost everything else. If they refuse to say how much was found, then it's just propaganda and nothing to get excited about.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6You know what kills thousand of people per day. SUGAR they dont ban that.
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