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- inactive, on 10/31/2007, -0/+77"hi Keith, how was your weekend?"
"not so good Paul - I had 12 heart attacks and died each time" - zachshmack, on 10/24/2007, -0/+64And after the twelfth time he rolled over and yelled, "I'M TRYING TO DIE HERE! LEAVE ME ALONE!"
- IllBeBack, on 10/24/2007, -2/+33I die a little every day. So there.
- dyreschlock, on 10/24/2007, -0/+27Later that day he was struck by lightning...
- whataboutdave, on 10/24/2007, -2/+26This would make a great Monty Python skit.
- sgoogle, on 10/24/2007, -1/+17Surely if it's an emergency, 999 is faster than 911
- f4nt0m4s, on 10/24/2007, -1/+16It's stories like this that I use as an argument against people that oppose stem cell research or just 'playing god' in general. The man had 11 shots at dying, and we saved him. If we can do that, clone me some stem cells baby!
Glad to see he made it though, he'll have a crazy conversation starter for the rest of his life. - wastelander, on 10/24/2007, -0/+12He had ONE heart attack and had recurrent bouts of pulseless ventricular tachycardia and/or ventricular fibrillation (this is why you "shock" someone, to restore a normal rhythm).. of course calling it 'death' makes it sound much more exciting. I would hope they started an anti-arrhythmic drug as well as giving give a "clot buster".. in fact use of a thrombolytic in a patient who has been getting CPR is somewhat controversial. Yeah, this guy sounds like he was pretty unstable and lucky to be alive--it might make for an interesting story for the medical staff to chat about over lunch but this is hardly news-worthy.
- fnaqzna, on 10/24/2007, -0/+12It's good he didn't survive just well enough to become an eggplant.
- Haon, on 10/24/2007, -2/+11Just like Battelfield 2 minus the ***** medic teammate and camping sob that keeps killing me.
- Rahodeb, on 10/24/2007, -0/+9I think somebody wants us to know he's in the medical profession.
- sgoogle, on 10/24/2007, -0/+7Isn't 9 times without response? The arcticle says he had a pulse following each.
I know I woundn't stop at an arbitary limit if the patient is showing signs of life - HOOKSTER1231, on 10/24/2007, -0/+6*As the smell of frying bacon filled the room*...
- Stevethegreat, on 11/03/2007, -2/+8To die you need your brain cells to deteriorate enough so that you won't be able to return to consciousness. He obviously never died, it was just that his heart had stopped some of the times. There are reported incidents of people with their heart stopped for about 15 minutes to be revived afterwards, they obviously never died, they just lost conscience. Time to get it straight, what death means in medical terms, it's not like we're in the Medieval anymore.
- kipcrist, on 10/24/2007, -0/+6With an AED, (under old AHA guidelines), they shock 3 times (as long as the patient remains in a shockable rhythm) and then you continue CPR. You can do this for a maximum of 3 cycles (9 shocks). If the patient regains a pulse, the cycle starts over (nine more shocks, and so forth). Under the new AHA guidelines, you shock once, then continue cpr for two minutes, then re-analyze and shock again if necessary. If a medic is using a manual defibrillator, they don't have to adhere to these cycles and limiters, as long as it is within the ACLS algorithms and protocols.
- likwidsix, on 10/24/2007, -0/+6being brought back to life 11 times just ain't what it used to be
- mrjit, on 10/23/2007, -0/+5Was this funny or something?
- biggrz, on 10/24/2007, -1/+5My father went 5 rounds like this, the paddle marks were bright red. I can only imagine what 11 times would look like. /shudder
- mikemil828, on 10/24/2007, -2/+6rez plz.
- sgoogle, on 10/25/2007, -1/+5Red marks or death? I'll take death, thanks
- BlueSkyfish, on 10/24/2007, -0/+4Even then, the T virus can just shock your brain cells back.
- RG13, on 10/24/2007, -2/+5...12 times
- HOOKSTER1231, on 10/23/2007, -0/+3Harsh...
- Xiol, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3Don't ever try to sell the news, dude.
- veggiemoore, on 10/24/2007, -1/+4Well of course, neither would I. But if I screwed the guy over, the RC wouldn't back me up is all.
- darlyn, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3At a glance, I read "Kevin Rose" instead of Keith Rosser".
- absameen, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3I'm glad he's alive, looks like a nice fellow. Those paramedics deserve some kind of award.
- theshizzler, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3Way to suck the fun out of heart attacks for me...
- theshizzler, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2The nerd portion of my brain wouldn't let such an obscure reference go by without immediate recognition. :(
- whataboutdave, on 10/23/2007, -2/+4True, but many people survive after 12 successful attempts. Most people don't even make it anywhere near 12.
- Almightymole, on 10/24/2007, -2/+4I see nothing wrong with 999...
- dodomingo, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2Ah, the miracles of today's technology.
It brightens my day to know that a man did not die from 12 heart attacks. Kudos to his doctors! - luigi1015, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2Actually this guy was apparently in what is called clinical death. What you're talking about is brain death. They're both forms of death, just brain death is ... er .... deader. If you want more info you can check it out at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_death
- Christerray, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2There isn't a legal limit to defibs.
If you have a shock able rythm, and you ain't at the hospital yet, you better be jump starting that sucker. In between CPR.
Only an idiot would say "I've shocked 9 times! I can't anymore!" - asyland, on 10/23/2007, -0/+2Wow, you're so shocking ...yawn.
- whataboutdave, on 10/25/2007, -1/+3But those marks are so unsightly...
- Bdog2g2, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2Bartender: He's been struck by lightning... how many times has it been now, Reg?
Reg: S-s-s-s-s-s-s-six...
Chet: Six times?
Reg: S-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-six-sixty-sixty-six times. In-n-n-n-n-n-n-In-n-n-n-n-n-n-In-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n the head! - kcmedic, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Damn session expired while trying the edit.
I was just going to add that if bystanders that are put off by the idea of mouth-to-mouth (understandable) would just do chest compressions only, it would greatly improve their chances of survival. - vulcanius, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1...those bastards metaphorically ripped him back to earth and slammed him into a pile of his own fecal matter 12 times...
- herkalees, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1That man beat my father by one - summer of 2005, worst two days of my life.
- herkalees, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Wow - sounds exactly like what happened to my dad in 2005. You aren't in Massachusetts by any chance?
- sgoogle, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Both have advantages and disadvantages, no need to refer to us as "Crazy Brits"
- j0ew00ds, on 10/24/2007, -1/+2FTA: Mr Jones said: "I've been a paramedic for five years and I've never known us have to shock someone 12 times. It's incredible really.
- whataboutdave, on 10/24/2007, -1/+2But more easily misdialed. Two different approaches.
- scoro, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Been there, done that, have the T-Shirt. My guy got shocked 11 times by us (ambulance) then a further 8 times in the hospital before they finally managed to get him to stop going into VF. Turns out he had normal coronary arteries as well, had myocarditis instead.
- snowball69, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1Ergo... heart stopped is not "death". Clinical brain death is not "death" either. If you've recovered from it (and people do) then it's not death. Death is definitively, that from which you cannot recover. Irretrievable breakdown of the bodily systems and (hopefully) loss of ALL consciousness.
Bear this in mind if you're a big supporter of compulsory organ donation after "death". Most of the "useful" organs cannot be taken when you are truly "dead". Whether or not you have consciousness is a moot point which, unfortunately, you can only personally conform as your eyes are being gouged out and heart/lungs and kidneys being excised (without anaesthetic btw).
If you strongly *believe* the contrary then I'm still not sure how much "belief" you're going to need to make this into a tolerable experience should you be wrong!. http://blog.myspace.com/dead_inside_u 18 Sep 2007 - (oops!, ouch!). - Bdog2g2, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1So with that many shocks could you put some chocolate, marshmallows, and graham crackers in his hands and have smores afterward? I mean you went through all the effort, its only fitting you have a reward.
- biggrz, on 10/25/2007, -0/+1Sgoogle, my comment obviously went over your head, which was in regard to how horrible the burn marks are and not on whether someone would choose the one over the other.
- kcmedic, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1"CPR helps, but only a little"
Actually, it turns out CPR is a HUGE part of it. Just not the way we've been doing it. There is less emphasis on ventilation and stacked shocks and more on early, rapid chest compressions, and fewer stops for pulse/rhythm checks/early intubation. We now use a compression-ventilation ratio of 50:2 vs the old 5:1. We have been doing this for over a year now and have seen a huge improvement in patient outcomes. - whataboutdave, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1If 12 successful shocks happened regularly it wouldn't be on Digg.
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