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- jboitnott, on 09/21/2009, -16/+127The U.S. is ranked #37 in the world for healthcare. I hope we start to implement some changes that make it better in the coming years.
- js281, on 09/21/2009, -3/+108Are most US citizens actually in support of a new healthcare system, or is it just the ones on Digg? Personally I haven't seen anyone give a convincing argument for keeping things as they are.
I'm interested to find out what your families and friends think... - ramblinwreck45, on 09/21/2009, -10/+110but... but... universal healthcare is communist! yeah! communist!
- MonsoonCrank, on 09/21/2009, -4/+73Yes, the general consensus is that it is broken, but debate is fired up about how to fix it.
- Foamed, on 09/22/2009, -6/+70I live in Norway and I got diagnosed with a really bad case of leukemia about 7 months back. Our universal health care system takes care of absolutely everything. Everything is free: medication/pills, chemo, the bone marrow transplantation etc. In two days I'll be traveling across the country (by plane) and I'll stay at one of the hospitals hotels. Both the transportation and hotel room I get is totally free. Hell, I even get 1,500$ a month because I'm sick.
I'm really glad that I don't live in USA (healthcare wise). One of the pills I'm taking (Glivec:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imatinib ) costs about $32,000 a year (and I take 5 different kinds of pills daily ). It would be pretty hard to pay for the medication if you had no insurance. I really hope you get better healtcare soon. - twiztidsinz, on 09/21/2009, -4/+67Obviously we're doing something wrong.....
- twiztidsinz, on 09/21/2009, -0/+57Lower right corner of the image... "SOURCE: OECD, WHO"
Granted it'd be nice to have the information they used directly linked, but it gives us a chance to practice the lost art of research. - trashymac, on 09/21/2009, -8/+59In before ***** of know-it-all comments
- 471776, on 09/22/2009, -8/+56Don't let the screaming idiots fool you. The American public is overwhelmingly in support of healthcare reform. The real debate (and again, this gets drowned out somewhat by the mob of hysterical ignoramuses yelling about issues they have no understanding of) is over how best to achieve universal healthcare.
I fully support the idea of universal healthcare, a public option, a single payer option - anything that will truly bring full healthcare to every American. My only concern is how to pay for it. The deficit is already huge, the national debt is out of control, and we cannot afford to ignore our budget problems. If healthcare can be made to pay for itself, or if we can make cuts in other areas to cover it, then I am all for it. - borez, on 09/21/2009, -6/+47I wonder how many people in America actually get sick from worrying about their health insurance?
- CrispixKingdom, on 09/22/2009, -9/+46I can't believe that this was ever even a ***** debate. The US system DOES NOT WORK. There are 36 countries that have better care than us. Most of the morons fighting this reform are probably the "USA No. 1" crowd too....
/hopeless - nevetando, on 09/22/2009, -10/+44
One fact out there according to WHO that should be shocking to all is this: you are 7 times more likely to be killed by your doctor in the US than in any other of the top 30 nations
there are 36 countries that do health care better than us...
To put that in perspective, WHO only recongnizes 30 "Highly Industrialized" nations... there are 6 nations that are in a Tier below us in terms of many factors (GDP, import/exports, military, etc) that do health care better.
Point blank, a medical system based on neo-classic economics and willingness to pay IS NOT a good way to do things. - kingofinternet, on 09/21/2009, -4/+34look how much money is being spent (wasted) on sub-par health care, fixing health care is part of fixing the economy.
- ExoticKosher, on 09/22/2009, -8/+34God knows he's trying. Too bad those dumbass republicans keep getting in the way.
- brownsound00, on 09/22/2009, -2/+26what? do you know how life expectancy is calculated?
- ptFoe, on 09/22/2009, -1/+25They also have the smartest education system.
- inactive, on 09/21/2009, -1/+24Yep you missed it spectacularly.
OECD and WHO - jusjus, on 09/22/2009, -0/+21Source: OECD, WHO.
Calm down, it's just information. Ignore it or use it. - askantik, on 09/22/2009, -5/+26doctechnical, you're an idiot. It's a scale made by the World Health Organization that takes in statistical FACTS such as infant mortality rate, life expectancy, etc.
- muffcakes, on 09/22/2009, -2/+22The fact that many can't afford it and many with insurance have claims denied makes it very sub-par.
Billionaires get great healthcare no matter where they live - the challenge is delivering it as many as possible. - MrARPA, on 09/22/2009, -1/+21Despite the ignorant comments here Norway's healthcare, as a percentage of GDP, still costs far less than the US. Nevermind Norway's taxes, they are the ones getting the cheaper deal.
- Mujokan, on 09/22/2009, -1/+21And also a great standard of living.
- PatchesOhulihan, on 09/22/2009, -1/+18I believe in Norway they have a public health system. So, no it isn't free. But no one person is paying for it; everyone there is paying for it.
- MrRtd, on 09/22/2009, -0/+16I've never heard of the US been a country more stressed than others, however I have heard you are fatter than others. Could that be a reason for a shorter life expectancy?
- WraTH017, on 09/22/2009, -0/+15Something tells me he'll choose to ignore it.
- tugger, on 09/22/2009, -0/+15there's a good chance he can't read.. He was referring to the chart, not the text body.
- dcbull21, on 09/22/2009, -1/+16if you have a pre-existing condition, you definitely worry about being dropped and/or your premiums rising, so probably a good percentage.
- askantik, on 09/22/2009, -1/+15I honestly thought you were for real for a second. Maybe you are such a good actor that's why you got buried ;)
- iamdan1, on 09/22/2009, -1/+15How can life expectancy be misleading. When you die, you die. Theres no, well you were very stressed, so we will add a couple of years onto your tombstone.
- Mujokan, on 09/22/2009, -0/+13Nothing much is free, but if you can take out the profiteering and other market failures you can make it a ***** of a lot cheaper.
- muffcakes, on 09/22/2009, -3/+16I doubt the WHO set out make the US look bad when they developed their system. Depending on how you look at things the US might move up or down a few spots but 37th gives a general picture - The US has crap healthcare.
- askantik, on 09/22/2009, -2/+15Just FYI, we spend more per person on our healthcare than any other country. Second is Japan and they spend about half of what we do. And they rank higher on the WHO health scale than us. We are getting pwned here in America.
- Rugby4Ever, on 09/21/2009, -2/+14Ya Canada!
oh wait... - spentcigarettes, on 09/21/2009, -6/+18I live in the South and I pray we won't let the individual states decide! Texas would surely vote no but us in Austin are in support!
- charlietuna, on 09/22/2009, -1/+13Kanye man, ease off on the coffee.
- jezsik, on 09/22/2009, -6/+18Oh, it's ONLY 30 million people without health care. THAT's different. The USA must be number one in healthcare then. Whew! Oh, Glen Beck is on TV; gotta go!
- MatthewDuke, on 09/22/2009, -11/+22Norway has 48% personal income tax and 25% VAT....no ***** you have great healthcare. That's all you're going to have after paying those taxes!
- CabesMojo, on 09/22/2009, -2/+13Does he provide you with any other source material than the name of the organization or am I going to have to dig through their site. Its the first I've heard anything like that figure, I would be curious to find out how they rate something like that after finding out how they rate countries health care overall as ridiculous and inconsistent.
- inactive, on 09/22/2009, -1/+12"DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING!"
- nevetando, on 09/22/2009, -1/+11Dr. Chunhui Chi PhD of Public Health at Oregon State University is MY source... HIS source is the WHO.
- crunchyeyeball, on 09/22/2009, -0/+10Are you suggesting that the current US system of profit-driven insurance companies are responsible for medical innovation? If so, I'm afraid you're misinformed.
If by medical innovations you mean new drugs, then I'm afraid 6 out of the 8 largest pharmaceutical companies are European.
In terms of the UK, I haven't got time for a more comprehensive list so you'll have to settle for a snippet of AstraZeneca's pharmaceutical products:
* Cardiovascular
o Atacand (candesartan)
o Crestor (rosuvastatin; 2003 launch)
o Exanta (ximelagatran; 2004 launch; not approved in the United States)
o Imdur (isosorbide mononitrate)
o Inderal (propranolol)
o Lexxel (enalapril/felodipine ER; available only in the United States)
o Logimax (felodipine/metoprolol ER)
o Nif-Ten (nifedipine/atenolol)
o Plendil (felodipine)
o Ramace (ramipril)
o Seloken XL and Toprol-XL (metoprolol; #1 beta blocker by sales globally in 2004)
o Tenoretic (atenolol/chlortalidone)
o Tenormin (atenolol)
o Unimax (felodipine/ramipril)
o Zestoretic (lisinopril/hydrochlorothiazide)
o Zestril (lisinopril)
* Respiratory and Inflammation
o Accolate (zafirlukast)
o Bambec (bambuterol)
o Bricanyl (terbutaline)
o Oxis (formoterol)
o Pulmicort, Rhinocort (budesonide)
o Symbicort (budesonide/formoterol)
* Oncology
o Arimidex (anastrozole)
o Casodex (bicalutamide)
o Faslodex (fulvestrant)
o Iressa (gefitinib)
o Nolvadex (tamoxifen)
o Tomudex (raltitrexed)
o Zoladex (goserelin)
o in development
+ Recentin (cediranib)
+ Zactima (vandetanib)
* Neuroscience
o Heminevrin (clomethiazole)
o Mysoline (primidone; handed over to Acorus Therapeutics Ltd. in July 2004)
o Seroquel (quetiapine)
o Vivalan (viloxazine)
o Zomig (zolmitriptan)
* Anaesthetics
o Carbocaine (mepivacaine)
o Citanest (prilocaine)
o Diprivan (propofol)
o EMLA (lidocaine/prilocaine)
o Marcaine and Sensorcaine (bupivacaine)
o Naropin (ropivacaine)
o Xylocaine (lidocaine)
o Xyloproct (lidocaine/hydrocortisone)
* Infection
o Apatef and Cefotan (cefotetan)
o Paludrine (proguanil)
o Foscavir (foscarnet)
o Lexinor (norfloxacin)
o Merrem and Meronem (meropenem)
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AstraZeneca#Products
) - MatthewDuke, on 09/22/2009, -3/+13I'd like to keep things how they are. I have great health insurance through my employer. I generally don't care about my fellow man, so I see no reason to push for any kind of change. No, I'm not being sarcastic. I only care about myself and my family. I don't care about any of you - sorry - at least I'm honest.
- niradg, on 09/21/2009, -2/+12then they'll just externalize the problem. poor people from those states will move to get healthcare, further burdening other states.
- smashTasker, on 09/22/2009, -7/+17Yes it is
- CabesMojo, on 09/22/2009, -3/+12Hold up 7 times more likely to be killed by your doctor? You have any citation for this or just making random stuff up on the internet?
- EverySam, on 09/22/2009, -7/+16You've posited a false dichotomy between "a new system" and "keeping things as they are."
Very few Americans want a new system, and very few Americans want to keep things the way they are. The Democratic and Republican parties are each opposed to both.
What most Americans do want is improvements to the existing system. Despite outside perception, people generally are not dying in the streets here, and the vast majority of Americans are generally satisfied with their healthcare.
For those criticizing us because we don't have government-run health care or health insurance, you need to incorporate into your judgment the gross inadequacy of our public schools, public transportation, justice system, military leadership—and the unbelievably skyrocketing costs of all of them. If you had our government you too would be skeptical—maybe not opposed, but skeptical. - ejpusa, on 09/22/2009, -3/+12Yes, but germs can't travel from an undocumented workers children to rich white people That's theoretically impossible right? Don't us rich white people have some germ shield. I'm sure I read about that somewhere? :-)
- kanojo1969, on 09/22/2009, -0/+9You should probably have a proper think about this graphic. Here's any easy rule of thumb: If the individual items add up to more than 100, then it's not a ***** pie chart.
It's basically a bar chart or area chart, but with a circular axis. it's a very good way of communicating this info because the difference in area are much more obvious when they are overlaid instead of spread out on their own data points. - Frumbler, on 09/22/2009, -0/+9So, a niche (cancer) that has a higher surrival rate is better than the overall rate? Is that what your are saying?
- Peekman, on 09/22/2009, -1/+9It's called spending money on preventative health care. For example, France and the UK actually spend money on trying to teach kids that eating healthy is something worth doing.
Alcohol is in the same boat. In Ontario Canada for example it is illegal to sell a case of beers for less than 1$ each this is because they are taxed heavily. This tax goes to the healthcare costs that alcoholism causes. -
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