What is Digg?172 Comments
- NoStoppingUs, on 10/12/2007, -32/+275dugg for not having anything to ***** do with numbers.
- arcooke, on 10/12/2007, -23/+224Wow.. a story without "the numbers". Can it really be true?
Interesting story by the way. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+193"bring out your dead!"
"i'm not dead yet!" - brimg87, on 10/12/2007, -9/+102Very exciting science.
- Rcdriver, on 10/12/2007, -2/+82Dugg for having the entire article on 1 page.
- Kaosu, on 10/12/2007, -18/+67FINALLY an article on the front page that isn't about that ***** number!!!
- xjoi, on 10/12/2007, -14/+61omg no numbers, Dugg because i love you.
- ZenMasterJG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+48Is it possible we've been proclaiming death too early? Yes.
Are we burying people alive? No. The prognosis is pretty dim once you've been filled with embalming fluid. - VipeNess, on 10/12/2007, -16/+61HOLY S&^%... finally the kids went to sleep or finally woak up and acting like adults... about the codes... this looks like a great story!
the rebirth of digg.com - matt9m5, on 10/12/2007, -10/+45Thank you for real news.
- msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30No, we haven't been burying live people....we embalm them first, which pretty much ensures death.
- smittyfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28"Well, he's almost dead."
"Actually I'm feeling quite better!"
"You shut up." - badken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Y'know this story talks about resuscitating heart cells, but it doesn't say anything about brain cells. It says the patients are put on a heart/lung bypass to keep the brain on oxygen, but might there not be some mechanism similar to the heart cell shutdown causing brain damage?
Of those 80% of people who were discharged "alive", how many might have suffered brain damage?
And how many developed a TASTE for brains?! - crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20"Does a dead person want to be brought back to life?"
if i were dead, i would like to be brought to life so I can answer the question.
and the answer is obviously ***** YEAH! - fourte3n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17I am an embalmer.... believe me. they are not alive when we bury them.
- kawazu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20And here come the zombies... Don't people know they shouldn't bring back the dead yet?
- kylesherman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18This is an insane story! Medicine is going to get very interesting over the next 50 years as we discover new revival techniques regarding old and common fatal illnesses...
- DiggDawgg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Buried for not breathing.
- Micrll, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19It looks promising, this is something not too far off in the future. The 80% vs 15% sounds like an improvement.
"his brain has shut down to conserve oxygen"...more like in suspend mode, shutdown would require a total reboot. - Beatmiser, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24While digging real stories again, please remember to bury the posts of the number people who invade and talk about 'submission guidelines' and make nonsense number posts. Let's take Digg back. Great article to start with.
- cosmicr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18@brokenempires
I think your cousin is puliing your leg. - pabloD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13"THUNK"
"Alright, then."
"Bring out yer dead!" - Gizza, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19While it is very exciting science, does this mean that ppl die of "old age" can be brought back to live longer? Or do their cells simply die which is the actual cause of death? Aren't a lot of "old age" deaths just the heart not being able to cope any more and stopping?
In this age of over population do we even really wanna bring back "dead" people. What would all the religious people say about this? Their soul has supposedly gone to heaven or where ever, is it the same person after they "come back". - crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15there are some toxins that can cause all the symptoms above. mimicking death. Tetrodotoxin, of pufferfish toxin is used in voodoo to create a psuedocomatose effect which gave rise to the zombie legends.
but in reality, once a corpse has been "processed" by a morgue, any chance the body was still alive goes down significantly. - Sassanix, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20Thanks, Now if only everyone starts thinking right and bury the other stupid stories and cleans up this mess.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13"But isn't this bringing back the dead technically? I mean, clinical death is when the heart stops beating. "
Perhaps it is time to change the definition of "Clinical Death". It's always been one of those things that people have liked to think about, especially in the medical sciences world. My girlfriend often goes off on rants about how a cell "can live through just about anything" (stating research on cells that can survive various kinds of radiations, high temperature and high pressure environments, low temperature and pressure environments, even possibly surviving for years on asteroids before transferring life to other planets) , so why is it we're immediately considered dead when our heart stops?
Death by a new classification could be "when the person stands no reasonable chance of being resuscitated with reasonable brain functionality"; if someone's been dead an hour at room temperature, there's not a chance in hell they're going to wake back up without any kind of brain damage. But, if their body's core temperature has been cooled, their odds jump significantly. If cardiopulmonary support is applied within that same hour, the odds increase further. These increases can be scientifically studied and a "reasonable resuscitation policy" can be created for when care givers should give up as to not be cruel to the person they're trying to revive (in other words, we don't want to revive someone who will not stand a chance of functioning reasonably again; old age, maiming, severe mental retardation if revived).
These are the ethical and scientific trials medicine is going to be going through in the next 20 years as this technology progresses further. - nathanwalker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Wow. That was actually kinda creepy to read.
"A study at four hospitals, published last year by the University of California, showed a remarkable rate of success in treating sudden cardiac arrest with an approach that involved, among other things, a "cardioplegic" blood infusion to keep the heart in a state of suspended animation. Patients were put on a heart-lung bypass machine to maintain circulation to the brain until the heart could be safely restarted. The study involved just 34 patients, but 80 percent of them were discharged from the hospital alive. In one study of traditional methods, the figure was about 15 percent."
80% vs 15%. I like those numbers.
But isn't this bringing back the dead technically? I mean, clinical death is when the heart stops beating. Now we can bring someone back once they are pass that point? Does a dead person want to be brought back to life? - kawazu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Where's my shotgun?
- nathanwalker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Nothing at all. Refreshing, ain't it?
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"Aren't a lot of "old age" deaths just the heart not being able to cope any more and stopping?"
The heart is an incredibly strong and powerful organ. If it's stopped because it can't cope, the rest of the system can't be doing too well either. Bringing a person who is considered to have died from "old age" back to life is pretty damn close to cruel and unusual punishment, but if that person insists, they should sign a document with that meaning attached (sort of like a reverse DNR; a "Do Resuscitate" order).
More or less, it should be treated on a case-by-case deal; if the person is 90 and they're not in great shape to begin with, let's not try, if the person's 65-70 and they're reasonably healthy for a person that age, I don't see a reason not to, giving them a few more years isn't cruel if you can do it without maiming them (causing permanent brain injury). - psygnisfive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I think YOU'RE missing the point. The article is not about the heart at all but about the previously conceived notion that cells die within minutes of being without oxygen, whereas the truth is more that they take hours to die and it's the sudden burst of oxygen you get in the ER that kills them. That includes brain cells.
- Wizardo55, on 10/12/2007, -8/+174 8 15 16 23 42
Those numbers are more interesting anyway. - kurotenshi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11/Yay we are back, and what an ironically fitting article dealing with coming back from the brink of death. Good choice. hehe....
I remember reading an article re hypothermia that said that children where more likely to be resuscitated successfully than an adult after a prolonged period of 'clinical death". If I remember correctly the kids that had been underwater where there for periods of 45 min to a couple of hours.
"Children in particular survive the effects of hypothermia particularly successfully. The reason for this somewhat ironically is the increased surface area to body volume ratio that causes the child to cool down more rapidly and means that the body enters the more stable 3rd stage of profound hypothermia sooner.
Children's organs are easier to bring back to life as they are less likely to be affected by any kind of stress or disease that may may affect older organs. Even so, successful stories of survival are rare, it's just that we get to hear about them as they make the news, once ice starts to form in the body, it kills all of the cells that it touches."
http://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/science/cold_hypothermia.htm - gmprunner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Doctors use 5 steps to determine death. If the person is not breathing, has no pulse (felt through their neck), their pupils don't dilate or respond to light, they have no nervous response to pain (or other physical stimuli), and their heart is not functioning, but are still alive somehow, then yes, we are burying people alive.
- millerbrad, on 10/12/2007, -11/+18Finally... a non-HD-DVD story...
- MasterEvilAce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8The problem here, is our pre-conceived perception of death. Nobody thinks outside the box, anymore, they just think what everyone else thinks.
Anyways, basically what the article is saying is this: there's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do... - SlvrEagle23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Have we been burying live people?
Well, of course we have...how could a dead person post something on Digg... :P
/rofl - Waterispoison, on 10/12/2007, -13/+19Dugg for the shear fact it does not contain that damn code. Lets get back to real content people.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"This is my BOOMstick!"
- Aquashark, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7you have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
- radio1mike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think the answer is that, we have to redefine what it means to be 'clinically dead'.
If proper medical treatment can be provided so that the heart is slowly reactivated and through other means the brain is kept stable- who knows. If these discoveries become SOPs for the ER, clinical death would mean cellular death I guess. - Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Actually ironically the article mentions the reason our cells die from the reintroduction of oxygen is the same mechanism we use to keep cancerous cells at bay. Our defense against cancer is making us vulnerable to the reintroduction of oxygen.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14This article is cool, somehow i think Steve-O and the rest of the Jackass crew will find a way to abuse it.
- krellor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Exciting yes, but no, we haven't been burying live people. Know what the embalming process entails? Sewing the lips together, draining fluid from the body filling it with preservative chemicals, etc... I don't think anyone is coming back after having their blood drained, and formaldehydes in its place.
- johnroth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If only they had this stuff when my dad was still around.
- chingy1788, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"This is , and as far as you know, that was attempt number one"
- tampersanda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Next season on House M.D. ...
- skyfire1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3We need a number section.
- jillmatrix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Seems as though this will have the most impact on the success rate of reviving reasonably healthy people after traumatic incidents. Standard DNR orders would still apply for older people who do not want to be resuscitated. And chilling the body may also reduce the onset of brain damage, who knows? Very interesting stuff. Love the "taste for brains" idea.
- Coestar, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Fantastic story!
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