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- nullcodes, on 10/13/2009, -1/+27OK people keep asking this all the time without googling or doing any research.
Studies like this are done in the following manner:
1. They choose a high risk population such as prostitutes.
2. They advertise they are doing a vaccine study and want a few thousand participants.
3. They educate, inform, and obtain consent from all the participants that they may be getting a real vaccine OR a placebo (dud fake injection). Participants are not informed which one they received.
4. They educated ALL participants equally that the vaccine may not work, and furthermore that it's quite possible that they may have gotten a placebo instead of the real vaccine. They strongly advice to use condoms and ideally abstain.
5. After some years they see whether there is a difference in the amount of HIV cases in the vaccinated group versus the ones who go the placebo. Since the thousands of participants are sexually promiscuous people, there is a high likelyhood that many of them may have caught HIV and ignored the education.
The key here is that everybody is educated EQUALLY that the vaccine may not work, and also that they may not really have gotten the vaccine. They can tell if the virus works by comparing the vaccinated versus placebo group. - SlayerXZeta, on 10/13/2009, -2/+21Money
- TAGline, on 10/13/2009, -0/+18They don't intentionally infect people with HIV.
- pablocblanco, on 10/13/2009, -0/+16Wait, condoms cure STD's now? Silly me, I thought they prevented you from catching them, sorta like a vaccine does. You ***** asshat.
- DaDrake, on 10/13/2009, -4/+15Take off your tinfoil hat. Non-insurance corporations are pushing strongly for universal healthcare in the USA. They simply don't like the extra expense of providing health care for their employees and would rather shift that burden on the US tax payer. Furthermore, anyone who creates a cure for AIDS/Cancer is going to be rolling in money. If there was no money in the prospect of a cure, then no private company would have spent money trying to find a cure. The reason why we fail so badly at finding a cure for AIDS is because of how quickly it mutates and the number of ways it can infect cells while bypassing the body's immune system. As for cancer... you speak as if its one type of disease. The variety in cancers of the same organ is mindblowing, and cancer is an INEVITABLE outcome of animal cells. Simply put, if you live long enough... something will break down and you will get cancer. Any "cures" for cancers are going to be specific towards a certain mutation in a certain type of a cancer.
- Mnementh2230, on 10/13/2009, -1/+11"AIDS was created (or cultured) for a purpose."
News Flash: The KGB admitted it started and spread this rumor.
"A vaccine would subvert that purpose."
A vaccine is incredibly difficult because HIV mutates so quickly.
"Do you really think the same people that have hated Africans for centuries long are now *really* trying to help them not die from this new and mysterious disease?"
Do you really think that our culture is still stuck in the 1700's? That social progress is an illusion? *THAT* is naive. - Shoebox639, on 10/13/2009, -1/+10Even with education, some people are still gonna get the virus. Just like in the US, with all the education about HIV, the infection rate every year isn't 0. So they give the vaccine/placebo to everyone, and see which group ends up with more cases of the infection.
- pablocblanco, on 10/13/2009, -3/+11Vaccine schmaccine, its too late for that, I need a cure!
- Solarus755, on 10/13/2009, -4/+12What I'd like to know, is how they measured them as being "protected from HIV". Did they give them the vaccine and then introduce them to a few promiscuous HIV+ people or something? :P
- Slash0, on 10/13/2009, -1/+7Waited for them to do it themselves, to be specific.
- Disgod, on 10/13/2009, -0/+6"AIDS was created (or cultured) for a purpose"
Yes, of course, because we had the technology back in the 1950s to create or manipulate an entire virus...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_AIDS#1955.E ... - nullcodes, on 10/13/2009, -3/+9Umm, any company that comes up with an instant cure for AIDS will get insanely filthy rich. They can charge any price for it. The executives of that company will be able to buy an island somewhere. Same thing with cancer .. especially cancer. I'd rather earn a few billion dollars overnight than trifling millions over years.
- mparker21311, on 10/13/2009, -6/+12Exactly, they make too much money from our slow death.
- ApokalypseNow, on 10/15/2009, -0/+5Crazed, you think we had the technology to create a virus in the 1950's, but not the technology to land on the moon?
- inactive, on 10/13/2009, -0/+5Republican-ism.
- LordBacon, on 10/13/2009, -2/+7IT'S A CONSPIRACY !!!!
- Greengoo, on 10/13/2009, -1/+6These comments are full of the worst kinds of homophobia, misinformation and blatant lies. What is wrong with people?
- Greengoo, on 10/13/2009, -0/+4How about transfusions from hospitals following normal surgery. Or accidental contact with contaminated blood in the course of your life or job. Oh wait, you're a ***** idiot who shouldn't be allowed to speak.
- UberNick, on 10/13/2009, -1/+5Is that you, Gaddafi?
- Greengoo, on 10/13/2009, -0/+4My god! Is there no cure??
- uncleosbert, on 10/13/2009, -1/+4you don't think there'd be more money in survivors?
- Greengoo, on 10/13/2009, -0/+3Are you retarded?
- inactive, on 10/14/2009, -0/+3There is, but they won't like it. The cure's called an "education."
- psiphre, on 10/13/2009, -0/+3how many is a brazillian?
- RachelJTM, on 10/13/2009, -4/+7god i feel like we're never gonna be able to cure this thing...
- Moralogic, on 10/13/2009, -0/+2I am happy you feel that way, because a month ago I gave the gift to your girlfriend, and I am betting you have it now too.
- nullcodes, on 10/13/2009, -0/+2Look, if a corporation announces it has the cure for cancer .. it's share price will skyrocket. Why? Because every cancer patient will clamor for it. Insurance companies will pay the full cost of a cancer treatment course for the one time cure.
Guess what .. people will still continue to get cancer .. because it's a cure not a prevention.
Pharmaceuticals arent always making billions u know .. some quarters they lose money and the share price goes to *****. When Pfizer came out with Viagra they stock price shot up. Now it's stagnant because they are making the same money. In capitalism for the value of your company to grow you need profit growth. Rapid profit growth = disproportionately more massive stock price increase. The current shareholders can then sell their stocks and buy an island or go into some other business. - nullcodes, on 10/13/2009, -0/+2Look, if a corporation announces it has the cure for cancer .. it's share price will skyrocket. Why? Because every cancer patient will clamor for it. Insurance companies will pay the full cost of a cancer treatment course for the one time cure.
Guess what .. people will still continue to get cancer .. because it's a cure not a prevention.
Pharmaceuticals arent always making billions u know .. some quarters they lose money and the share price goes to *****. When Pfizer came out with Viagra they stock price shot up. Now it's stagnant because they are making the same money. In capitalism for the value of your company to grow you need profit growth. Rapid profit growth = disproportionately more massive stock price increase. The current shareholder can then sell their stocks and buy an island or go into some other business. - datdamonfoo, on 10/13/2009, -0/+2Tim Conway: Oh, about 180 pounds.
- datdamonfoo, on 10/13/2009, -1/+3So, you're saying I shouldn't have just had unprotected sex with those 10 Brazillian hookers?
- tehWyman, on 10/13/2009, -1/+3$ from Treatment >>>>>>>>> $ from Cure
- Ragarnok, on 10/13/2009, -0/+2@plastikfracture, you can't introduce HIV strains to blood samples and expect to measure infection rate from this, because we have a (sometimes) functional immune system that takes care of infections.
On a more serious note this could have been done in retrospect with known infection rates for this particular population however the sample size would have had to be much much larger to compensate for the obvious bias of having different conditions, and then again your study would risk not being taken seriously. With these results it would have been pretty much impossible to demonstrate any measurable effects. - Greengoo, on 10/13/2009, -0/+1So.... yes? You *are* retarded?
- inactive, on 10/13/2009, -0/+1You can also point to the 1% of abortion cases where the woman was raped by her father but the majority of them are because of two people who didn't keep their legs shut or wore protection.
- nepidae, on 10/13/2009, -0/+1This is why you have your work checked before touting success.
- paultrip, on 10/14/2009, -0/+1One more false hope..... the story should be all over the news,,,,, but they never are. So people think ... there is a vaccine for this now.
- nullcodes, on 10/13/2009, -0/+1Look, if a corporation announces it has the cure for cancer .. it's share price will skyrocket. Why? Because every cancer patient will clamor for it. Insurance companies will pay the full cost of a cancer treatment course for the one time cure.
Guess what .. people will still continue to get cancer .. because it's a cure not a prevention.
Pharmaceuticals arent always making billions u know .. some quarters they lose money and the share price goes to *****. When Pfizer came out with Viagra they stock price shot up. Now it's stagnant because they are making the same money. In capitalism for the value of your company to grow you need profit growth. Rapid profit growth = disproportionately more massive stock price increase. The current shareholders can then sell their stocks and buy an island or go into some other business. - nepidae, on 10/13/2009, -0/+1this is not a placebo effect
- Greengoo, on 10/13/2009, -0/+1I would have dugg you down but like the guy above me I read "10 Brazillion" as "a very large number". Bravo.
- icepick314, on 10/13/2009, -2/+3thanks again, placebo effect!!!!
- nullcodes, on 10/13/2009, -0/+1Look, if a corporation announces it has the cure for cancer .. it's share price will skyrocket. Why? Because every cancer patient will clamor for it. Insurance companies will pay the full cost of a cancer treatment course for the one time cure.
Guess what .. people will still continue to get cancer .. because it's a cure not a prevention.
Pharmaceuticals arent always making billions u know .. some quarters they lose money and the share price goes to *****. When Pfizer came out with Viagra they stock price shot up. Now it's stagnant because they are making the same money. In capitalism for the value of your company to grow you need profit growth. Rapid profit growth = disproportionately more massive stock price increase. The current shareholders can then sell their stocks and buy an island or go into some other business. - inactive, on 10/13/2009, -0/+1uncleosbert, you might think that, but insurance companies make money by killing people.
- Ragarnok, on 10/13/2009, -0/+1In the U.S. the infection rate is much lower thanks to education (as you said) altho the size of the sample would have to be enormous to demonstrate significant effect, the sample size was 16,000 in Thailand and they failed to reach tangible results.
- nullcodes, on 10/13/2009, -0/+1Ask any person who has studied the HIV virus whether it seems like an easy task to find the cure. You have no idea how advanced the virus is .. how it rapidly mutates, how it can embed itself within DNA never to surface for a while, how it can hide protected within a vacuole.
You think that if a corporation has billions of dollars they can solve any problem.
Look, if a corporation announces it has the cure for cancer .. it's share price will skyrocket. Why? Because every cancer patient will clamor for it. Insurance companies will pay the full cost of a cancer treatment course for the one time cure.
Guess what .. people will still continue to get cancer .. because it's a cure not a prevention. - inactive, on 10/13/2009, -1/+1http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4093766.html
- mparker21311, on 10/13/2009, -17/+17Corporations wont even let us have Universal Health care or have Cannabis legalized. What makes you think the corporations are going to let there be a cure for cancer or AIDS?
- tootim, on 10/14/2009, -0/+0I hear it all begins with a pounding sensation in your arse.
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