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- Shitokki, on 11/13/2009, -8/+33I'm pretty sure the ***** food that people insert into their pie holes has a lot more to do with them being fat than microbes.
- catalysis, on 11/14/2009, -0/+20True, but as this study shows, what you eat actually affects your metabolic rate. This is why someone on a 1500 calorie diet of junk food can gain weight, and when they switch to a good 2000 calorie diet, they can actually lose weight with the same amount of exercise. This is a good example of why calorie counting can be deceiving.
- GodAImighty, on 11/14/2009, -10/+29Here's an idea, stop eating twice the amount of calories you burn.
- Ninh, on 11/13/2009, -1/+20Actually a good number of nutrients can only be accessed by the human body after the intestinal microbes work their way through them. So yes, this is significant.
Even more significant, though, would be triggers to switch the intestinal flora to a less efficient mix since that would reduce the amount of calories accessible to the body, even though it feels satiated. - catalysis, on 11/14/2009, -3/+12The bacteria have been correlated to weight gain in a previously controlled study. At least RTFA.
- TMLF, on 11/14/2009, -0/+9Every Phil 101 student on digg rushes in to exclaim things like "Correlation does not equal causation."
- stonebear, on 11/14/2009, -0/+8This might explain why the morbidly obese also suffer from malnutrition. I don't see how they can be unrelated.
- pheadrick, on 11/14/2009, -1/+8I think hot sauce kills bad microbes. I feel it in my gut.
- rusty0101, on 11/14/2009, -0/+7Observation, Even the most efficient of us do not extract all of the possible calories in the food we eat. If we did, then the bi-product of digestion would not be prone to burning or being used in explosives.
The premise of the article is that the bacteria in our digestive system has an impact on the efficiency with which bodies do extract calories from food, and that higher efficiencies make it easier for one person to gain weight when another person with an identical exercise and food intake profile has no weight gain, and may even lose weight.
The study is not complete, but strides have been made which suggest that the premise may be correct. The outcome of the study probably won't result in a pill that we eat which 'makes us all thin,' but may result in helping us to come up with a better understanding on how to work with our digestive system to change the balance, and help us get to a better level of fitness overall. - GauteHauk, on 11/14/2009, -0/+6You'll feel it more in your ass when it comes out as screaming fire.
XD - ProfessorSYM, on 11/14/2009, -0/+6That's the point expressed in the article...eating ***** foods (in mice, anyway) caused changes in the microbes in their gut which corresponded with weight gain; when these microbes from the guts of the mice fed the ***** diet were transplanted into mice that ate a plant-based diet, they also gained weight.
READ, son, READ. - KingGorilla, on 11/14/2009, -0/+6Doesn't the article imply that both are important?
- the8thbit, on 11/14/2009, -0/+5Including pie, which makes the term 'pie hole' a little misleading.
- kingmanic, on 11/14/2009, -0/+5The study actually says there is a correlation in modified mice. nothing more yet. Lots of news is reporting it ass backwards and saying the bacteria makes you fat. That is not what the studied showed. The study showed that when you switch diets the ratio of bacteria rapidly changes.
- rknicker, on 11/14/2009, -12/+17Correlation does not equal causation subby.
- plaguepony, on 11/14/2009, -1/+6I use the Thermodynamic Balance diet. I eat fewer calories than I burn when I want to lose weight. It works Every time it is done.
- KingGorilla, on 11/14/2009, -3/+7Ugh, every time we got an article about obesity on digg everyone says the same thing. Burn more calories than you intake
- copypastry, on 11/14/2009, -0/+4>colon cleanser pills
snake oil. - vizerei, on 11/14/2009, -2/+6Wasn't a very similar article on the front page yesterday?
- KingGorilla, on 11/14/2009, -0/+4lol, this guy
- tcheck, on 11/14/2009, -0/+3Yes, yes it was.
http://digg.com/health/Bacteria_in_Gut_Linked_to_O ... - stonebear, on 11/14/2009, -0/+3Why settle for six pack when you can have a keg.
- HotLeper, on 11/14/2009, -0/+3New studies have shown that drinking beer can kill this gut bacteria and get you back in shape in no time.
- the8thbit, on 11/14/2009, -0/+3rad tale sis
- tgc1, on 11/14/2009, -0/+3I still dont' understand when people say this. Is it just a joke or do you actually get that problem at the end? I've eaten spicy foods for years and never do I ever feel it on the way out. It stops in the gut.
- fuzzynyanko, on 11/14/2009, -1/+4Some actually said that cayenne pepper helps with digestion
- rusty0101, on 11/14/2009, -0/+3It's not necessarily a matter of eating less calories than you expend here. The situation being proposed is that in many cases you can consume more calories than you expend, but if the mix of bacteria are 'right' that doesn't mean that you will gain weight. If the calories do not pass through the walls of the small and large intestine, but pass through your entire gastric system they can't possibly be converted to fat in the body.
If I consume 2000 calories as food, burn 1500 calories through exercise and other metabolic processes, and pass 700 calories as crap, I've metabolized 200 calories of energy that was already stored in the body, and if this continues I will ultimately loose weight even though I am expending fewer calories than I eat. - FLarsen, on 11/14/2009, -0/+2You have no idea of what you're talking about.
- GauteHauk, on 11/14/2009, -0/+2Oh, I can assure you, it was entirely serious.
/s - kalvinb, on 11/14/2009, -1/+3"Interestingly, when the researchers transplanted the gut microbial communities of humanized obese mice to germ-free mice, the recipient mice gained weight and fat, even though they ate a low-fat, plant-based diet. The researchers also showed that gut microbes and their genes can be passed don from generation to generation, suggesting that it is possible for mothers to pass their microbial communities to their children."
If true that validates the claim. Essentially, it doesn't matter what you eat, if you have those microbes you'll gain weight.
It'll be interesting if they eventually develop a pill to kill off the fat causing microbes.
In the meantime, eating right and exercising is the most natural cure to obesity. - rusty0101, on 11/14/2009, -0/+2Beer truck please.
- stonebear, on 11/14/2009, -0/+2The microbes are fine; it's the balance between them that is the matter.
- Wilddigi, on 11/14/2009, -1/+3Exercise?
- dhughes, on 11/14/2009, -0/+2 Sometimes all the way to the end.
- ausdigger, on 11/14/2009, -0/+2yeah, i can say for sure. it does happen. try some genuine indian vindaloo ( not the tamed western one), and eat a whole dish of it.
let me know the next morning...
you'll be singin "the ring of fire" - the8thbit, on 11/14/2009, -0/+2byrdboy: But... if we were to retard the microbe population there would be no fat...
- mbraynard, on 11/14/2009, -0/+2If this is correct, it sounds like a specific antibiotic pill could combat weight loss by targeting this microbes, no?
- fuzzynyanko, on 11/14/2009, -0/+2Almost sounds like the Force.
- 1hrSleep, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1=P Okay, you got me... I'm just joking when I say that.
- captininsanity, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1It can happen. Try eating some extreme hot sauce in excess. It happens, but you need a lot...
- rusty0101, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1First of all, I was at some level being 'funny' in response to a statement that I found rather insidious.
What I was getting at, and you may have noticed it in some of my other topics is that what the story is about is that how your body captures calories is at least in part affected by the bacteria and such in your stomach. The thing is, what the makeup of that bacteria is depends also on what your dietary history has been.
It is entirely possible for two people to do something like go through college, eating the same menu, doing the same courses, participating in the same sports and other activities, and yet how their bodies handle the food they eat may be completely different. One person may sit down to a 600 calorie meal and 300 calories of it may pass right through their digestive system completely untouched., The other may absorb over 500 calories from the same meal. The difference being the bacteria in the 'more efficient' digestive system may be breaking down long chain carbs more efficiently, Or the less efficient system may actually combine carbs into a string that does not intake as well. We don't really know the function of each or perhaps even any specific bacteria that our body contains.
The suggestion is that if someone gorges themselves on certain varieties of foods for as little as a day, the resulting change in the makeup of the bacteria they have can completely flip the way that calories in food are taken in, or not. The problem is that reversing the process very well may not be a simple solution.
There are many factors in selecting what you may eat, or not. Finances is one, So is the actual availability of varieties of food. If you go out camping with friends for a week, and all they bring to eat is chips and canned cheese, it's not going to be good for your diet.
I've had the pleasure of living on boxes of MacNCheese myself while in college, Ramen didn't come in to it's own until much later. CupONoodles is pretty much the same stuff though. So I understand what you mean about finances affecting what you eat. Additionally going the other way with two apples for the next 3 days can be just as bad as it set's your digestive system on a famine footing, which very well may be some of the same things happening.
The 'blame them' or 'It's their own fault' accusations are almost always levied by people who are looking to be 'superior' to others and it is _always_ a put down. It works the same for Type II diabeties as well. I have friends who if you looked at them and knew them over the years, you would very likely ask "What triggered their Type II Diabetes?" People who have never spent a day overweight. Yet because there are so many people who become Type II as a result of poor diet and exercise, the 'superior' person says 'It's their own damn fault.'
I'm type II by the way, and when I was diagnosed there wasn't a person who was involved in the process of diagnosis and teaching who looked at me and thought 'Oh, I know how he became Diabetic!' Quite the opposite in fact, most people were surprised as hell that I was Diabetic.
Since being diagnosed I've run a 5K, and am getting ready to train for another, and possibly a 10 mile this next fall. I'm larger than I think is good for me, and my work schedule of 40 hours over 3 days isn't helping, but it's my fight and I'm running with it.
My apologies if you were offended by my words. - KingGorilla, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1http://www.liquidcalories.com/90daysummary.htm
This guy eats nothing but mcdonalds for 90 days and loses weight. Also he doesn't order the salads - rydergifts, on 11/16/2009, -0/+1In that case eat Manuka Honey to lose weight as well antoher victory for Manuka Honey
- pe5t1lence, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1You must use hard liquor, recommended dose is 59cc/half-hour until the party ends
- rknicker, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1Retracted. I admit I must have skipped over the 17th (or whatever) paragraph where the statement about the re-transplanted bacteria in lean mice showing weight gain under the same dietary conditions.
- rusty0101, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1The fact that they can't do anything about it now, doesn't change the fact that it's their fault. No one forced them to eat the food that wasn't good for them, it was made available, they chose to eat it.
- jaydedrag0n, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1I have a counter-argument for that.. not necessarily disproving you... just a counter. When you say someone wasn't forced. Do you not consider financial constraints a force? If someone has a dollar to feed them for a few days (yes this exists.. I've been in the exact situation) would you buy a couple heads of lettuce (which you get to eat sans toppings) a dollars worth of fruit (which might be 3 apples) or would you buy 5 packets of ramen (10cents a package) or a package of hot dogs. I would think that the latter 2 while being completely not good for you.. stand a far better chance of feeding you for longer than the first 2. Not to mention weight has nothing to do with WHAT you eat so much as how much and when. If i eat 2 meals a day neither bringing the days grand total past the 2000 calorie health recommendations, I will gain weight.. If i continue that habit I will continue that weight gain. Weight gain and obesity have far more factors involved than just laziness and overeating. I'm an overweight girl, but I'm not lazy.. I am on a college water polo team every year, and every winter I play football.. I bust my ass (literally and figuratively) at both. I also teach, and work at a restaurant on weekends. Between 2 jobs, a sports team, and being a full time student.. my food habits tend to mirror those above .. some days I may only get 1 meal in.. by the logic espoused (laziness and gorging) I should be skinny since I do neither.. but i'm not
- stonebear, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1Little has been done to prove the hypothesis the title presents as fact, though it's what the researchers hope to establish. The article merely states they have gained the means to do so by accurately duplicating the human gut ecosystem in certain mice.
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