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- Maynza, on 02/11/2009, -1/+11Good looking out FDA. It's not like we pay you to keep this from happening or anything.
- bullhead2007, on 02/11/2009, -0/+9"Natural" doesn't mean "good". Arsenic is natural. Snake venom is natural. Most poisons are natural. While I'm not against herbal medicine, I am skeptical of it because a lot of it can be as unscientific as new-age medicine.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 02/11/2009, -0/+6Kind of a broad brush there, you think?
- Mattwdj, on 02/11/2009, -1/+5there is nothing wrong with genetically modified plants. Its basically controlling a natural process. Genetically modified meat is just fine. there is realy no area for anything bad or dangerous to happen. It doesnt mean its better but i really doubt there will be any dangers with it. I would still prefer natural meat, but if it helps poor countries gain a supply of fresh meat or stop tainted meat. I dont really see any problems with it.
- emt1451, on 02/11/2009, -2/+6"diet" pill. it's sad that people are actually that stupid. a weight loss "diet" actually involves controlling your diet. shocking, I know.
- Ellipsys, on 02/11/2009, -2/+6There are good supplements and bad supplements. Don't forget that herbal medicine and anything classified as a supplement is the jurisdiction of the USDA, as it is considered food. It is only when certain substances that are classified as drugs make it into the supplements, that the FDA gets involved - as well they should. So in truth, there are two regulatory bodies at work here. If you don't believe in the value of herbal supplements, then I suggest you go to one of the major websites (which I won't plug here), and order high potency USDA organic Yohimbe bark for roughly $10-20 Take two capsules, and see how you feel (heart racing, erection?) Or you can ask a urologist for a prescription for Yocam (Yohcam?), which is the extract of said bark, for roughly $240 a bottle. Hint - before PDE-5 inhibitors like Viagra were commonplace, Yohimbe was one of the preferred treatments for erectile dysfunction. Want another example of herbal "supplementation" that works? Marijuana.
Sure, there's a lot of junk out there and I'd like to see it regulated without an increase in price or reduction in availability, but proper supplementation has its uses. - MewTwo, on 02/11/2009, -0/+3I'm surprised.
- elliotys, on 02/11/2009, -3/+6The supplement industry is one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the american people. There is little to no evidence to support there claims, they are unregulated, and overpriced. The fact they sell so well shows the overhwelming lack of education in the american public. I would be suprised if even 10% of the population actually knew what a vitamin is.
- randumbusername, on 02/11/2009, -0/+3being fat will kill you too and also have you taking drugs to control blood pressure, sugar, cholesterol, joint pain increasing the burden on and cost of health insurance.
that's worse than people take risk of using ephedra, steroids or hgh. - VitriolAndAngst, on 02/11/2009, -2/+5Genetic modification is about as natural a process, as Crack Cocaine is based upon the Coca leaf.
I'm not 100% against it -- but it needs to be a hell of a lot more cautious than it has been. So far it has been driven by the greed and power of large companies. - Rikkochet, on 02/11/2009, -0/+3I'm guessing you're new to the internet and haven't yet learned you need to manipulate people into visiting your spam centre rather than just asking nicely.
- alclone, on 02/11/2009, -1/+4Why can't people just take caffeine pills? They are -50 calories and cheap as hell too.
Or if they are really serious about losing weight, what about asking the doctor for adderall? Amphetamines stop appetite in its track - wilf_brim, on 02/11/2009, -0/+3Well, I suppose one way to make sure that your "supplement" has the intended effect is to illegally put in real pharmecuticals. In this case, a potent diuretic. Take a bunch of these pills and, voila, you lose 5 pounds. Of course, it is all just lost fluid, but still, it makes the scale go down. And now you have a customer for 6-12 more months.
- Bloodwine, on 02/11/2009, -5/+7I can't wait until a year or two from now when FDA releases a report about the dangers of genetically modified meats that they just greenlit.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 02/11/2009, -1/+3Thanks but no.
It would cost 10 times more, and end up being more toxic.
It would be much nicer if there were research that honestly looked at if certain supplements work. However, there isn't much interest in that, until someone can patent a chemical.
Many drugs are mimicking natural products, but they trade side-effects for things that they can control in the market. - jerstud56, on 02/11/2009, -1/+3....but what about marijuana?
Oh, nevermind. It's overpriced. (here at least)
Legalize it? =( - fr0ng, on 02/11/2009, -2/+4Government doing something right? Is this from The Onion?
- inactive, on 02/11/2009, -1/+3It's good to see them finally crack down on 'natural' supplements that make false claims on their packaging.. Now if only they would crack down on drug companies who pick-and-choose clinical trial results prior to FDA approval, often exaggerate the positive effects of these drugs and fail to disclose many of the harmful side effects associated with them. Oh wait, that will never happen. Why? Because the FDA is f'ing owned (financially & polically) by the drug companies.
- daonlyfreez, on 02/11/2009, -0/+2Here here!
- ScrewedThePooch, on 02/11/2009, -0/+2Douchebag spammer
- waydee, on 02/11/2009, -0/+2***** off and die
- elliotys, on 02/11/2009, -1/+3True, there are definitly herbs out there with pharmacologically active supplements (saw palmetto, red yeast rice, etc. . .), however consistancy of dose is impossible to ensure. And yes there are times when supplements are needed, like when someone is showing a deficiency in a vitamin or mineral. What I was trying to get at was the fact that so many healthy people, without deficiencies, are popping vitamin pills like theres no tommorrow because of misinformation. Studies are beginning to show that over-use of vitamins can have serious consequences.
In the end I think america would be a lot better off with a well balanced diet than a bottle of vitamins. - inactive, on 02/11/2009, -0/+2*politically. That said, not all herbal supplements or prescription drugs are going to be ineffective, effective, harmful, or without side-effects. This will vary depending on the active ingredient, its efficacy, safety, quality, dosage, and how your body reacts to the ingredient in question. For example, I've taken SSRI's for depression in the past, which were erroneously touted by the FDA as being the most effective (also being the most costly, go figure) and thus being first-line treatments for this condition. After years of various prescriptions, I found SSRI's to be the least effective, SNRI's to be slightly more effective, and Mirtazapine (the least prescribed of the three) to be the most effective. Another example would be Milk Thistle supplements. I began taking Milk Thistle extract after blood tests I had taken consistently indicated poor liver function. I spent a few dozen hours researching dietary alterations as well as supplement alternatives that may help counteract this. I decided to try Milk Thistle and after six weeks of supplementation my liver enzymes were back to normal, and consistently improved since then, hence the Milk Thistle and it's active constituent (Sylimarin) proved to be efficacious in treating my condition and improving liver function. My advice to you all is to not rely on a supplements packaging or health claims. Always do your own research prior to taking any drug or supplement, and always tell your doctor or primary care physician which if any supplements you're currently taking.
- jonnyeh, on 02/11/2009, -0/+2Beginning? Before science, what do you think doctors/shamans/healers did?
Placebos is the entire basis of alternative medicine too! Without the placebo, you wouldn't have acupuncture, homeopathy, and chiropractic. - Rikkochet, on 02/11/2009, -0/+2He's got a good point - it's not 'all natural' that's the problem, but rather the use of that phrase on anything means it's all marketing and little substance. "All natural" is a catch all phrase for manipulating the green crowd. It's taken the place of "really works!" on packaging.
The legitimate brands and products don't say ***** like that - they say what is NOT in their product that might otherwise be a concern. My laundry detergent isn't all natural - it's phosphate free. My eggs aren't all natural - they're free range. My Lays aren't all natural - they're trans fat free. - rwac, on 02/11/2009, -0/+2What makes you think that people don't know what they're taking ?
And why should everybody's freedom be limited because some people are going to hurt themselves ? - sigg14, on 02/11/2009, -0/+2genetic modification is not necessarily the same as hybridization and crossbreeding, when genes of a separate species are introduced or chemicals there is a real danger
- rwac, on 02/11/2009, -0/+2It would cost more because of the FDA trials, and probably a doctor would have to prescribe it too.
Yes, the extraction method might be patentable, but someone else can always make a generic easily. So very little profit there. - lawrencemartin, on 09/13/2009, -0/+1I would like to know why medications cannot be pulled off the counter if they have been found to have wrong ingredients in them. It doesn't seem right to have wrong medicines fed to people when it is known they have been tampered with.
http://www.acaicheap.info - inactive, on 02/11/2009, -2/+3A Diet Pill, WTF? Just get off your ass and go for a run
- emt1451, on 02/11/2009, -0/+1Actually you have a good point. Even doctors are beginning to prescribe placebos. "This normally isn't used to treat this condition, but you may find it to be beneficial."
- nightManCometh, on 02/11/2009, -0/+1Makes you wonder about other weird chemicals are in the masses of supplements sold every day.
- s0nicfreak, on 02/12/2009, -0/+1Better to die skinny than to live fat
- trolleyfan, on 02/11/2009, -0/+1No.
We have "all natural" toothpaste - fresh picked, apparently, from the toothpaste tree.
"All Natural" baked goods - because often in nature, we find free-range bake ovens roaming the plains.
"All Natural" grain products - because apparently 10,000 years of man-directed breeding and mutation (to the point where most can't even breed by themselves) is just a part of "nature."
"All Natural Cosmetics" - because we frequently find eye-shadow bushes and lipstick tubers out there.
And that's just off the top of my head - Number23, on 02/11/2009, -0/+1People would eat dog ***** if it was labeled "natural", "organic" or "homeopathic"
- airmann90, on 02/11/2009, -0/+1Placebo's are awesome, if your willing to do the rest of the work.
- sogleedy, on 02/11/2009, -0/+1Reminds me of Jimmy Tango Fat Busters from SNL :)
http://www.randomboo.com/JimCarreyJimmyTango%27sFa ... - VitriolAndAngst, on 02/11/2009, -2/+2I'd love it if we had a system that actually had tests done to prove efficacy, rather than a corrupt system, that is probably motivated by whichever company hired someone from that department last year for the most money.
A lot of European countries seem to be doing a better job of testing natural products. I was really worried that the FDA was going to get involved in supplements while Bush was in office.
I mean, the only thing more useless and unproven than all the natural supplements, are all the damn drug industry placebos that are sold over the counter. - ribhvan00, on 08/07/2009, -0/+0Sad to say, I think what we have is a confluence of 2 forces, which if not checked will put an end to herbal supplements in the U.S.
http://www.acaiberrystudy.net - acnerevies, on 10/16/2009, -0/+0Just a 10 percent reduction in weight can improve heart function, lower blood pressure and levels of blood cholesterol and triglycerides, and decrease the risk of diabetes and cardiovascular disease. And new research shows that obese people with sleep apnea who lose 10 percent of their weight can significantly improve their symptoms and potentially rid themselves of the disorder. http://eluhealthcare.blogspot.com/
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