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- senorcool, on 11/27/2007, -1/+27"Possible side effects are dry-mouth, upset stomach, diarrhea, and jumping out of windows."
- mikemil828, on 11/27/2007, -3/+14Are they sure that the flu drug is to blame for the deaths? After all it could just be a result of Japan's 'suicide is cool' culture.
- mikemil828, on 11/27/2007, -0/+8They must, after all pokemon makes them go into fits and it is still pretty popular over there
- Icupnimpn2, on 11/27/2007, -1/+8I don't think Tamiflu has mercury in it. It's not a flu vaccine. It's a flu treatment. As I understand, It inhibits an enzyme that is an important part of the flu's life-cycle. There's no reason I can think of that they should toss mercury in, unless just for fun.
- Icupnimpn2, on 11/27/2007, -0/+7What is your solution. No government oversight? Or should the FDA mandate that all testing is done by the FDA and the FDA only? You seem to be pushing in both directions.
- chaosium, on 11/27/2007, -3/+10You don't understand the basics of pharmacology if you think "synthetic" is a negative.
- chase001, on 11/27/2007, -0/+7Guess who ran the big pharma company that makes Tamiflu and still owns stock in it then got the no bid contract from the US to stockpile it? Good old Rumsfeld.
- Icupnimpn2, on 11/27/2007, -0/+6I was wondering that a little bit, myself. The popularity of properties such as "Suicide Circle" probably doesn't help things. But still, we're talking about children. I'm not sure suicide holds as much of a mystique for children. I also wonder how many children received treatment with Tamiflu altogether. It's impossible to tell if the 5 suicide-like deaths are statistically significant over the expected youth suicide rate without knowing that information.
- acid0426, on 11/27/2007, -0/+5At least it isn't Pokemon on TV making them have convulsions.
- JordanTW90, on 11/27/2007, -3/+8Medical Marijuana FTW
- chaosium, on 11/27/2007, -0/+5"It's impossible to tell if the 5 suicide-like deaths are statistically significant over the expected youth suicide rate without knowing that information."
I'm betting that the truth would make for much less of an interesting article. - chaosium, on 11/27/2007, -0/+5You can't bitch about the FDA's incompetence and then offer the solution to be NO FDA, their problem is a lack of funding. The libertarian answer offers no oversight whatsoever.
- Icupnimpn2, on 11/27/2007, -0/+5Yes, but Tamiflu isn't a "flu shot" in the traditional sense that you're using. Tamiflu isn't a vaccine. It can be used to help prevent an infection or to actively treat an infection. Its mechanism is entirely different than that of a vaccine, and its dosage form does not have to be the same as for a vaccine. So when you bring up the topic of mercury in vaccines, that doesn't necessarily apply to Tamiflu, and probably doesn't.
- Icupnimpn2, on 11/27/2007, -0/+5I'm usually for a smaller federal government, but in this case I'm not sure I agree with you. I think that overall medicine has become safer since the FDA had its start in the early 1900s. Before then, pharmaceutical companies were able to make money without doing safety or efficacy testing. So why would they bother to if the FDA was gone? I think you could parcel out some of the FDA's functions to private business, but people already complain about corruption in the organization and I don't think that privatizing it all would solve that. If anything, employees would be even more motivated by greed and promotions. Letting each state run their own SDA would probably allow for the same type of interstate bickering that occurs on other issues. Their might not be a fair and even sharing of knowledge and resources. And medicine is an area that can benefit by sharing knowledge equally. I'm having a tough time putting my concerns down in type, so I hope my point comes through.
- inactive, on 11/27/2007, -1/+5Yeah, a private organization being funded by drug companies to test whether or not their products are safe. Can't imagine anything that could go wrong...
- xsamrlx17, on 11/27/2007, -0/+4that's very..... strange....
- chaosium, on 11/27/2007, -2/+5"Perhaps it has something to do with mercury still being found in children's flu shots."
http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#saf
You're stupid. - spikeyone, on 11/27/2007, -0/+3Ahh, I get it. They remove thimerosal from many children vaccines, autism rates still increase, yet mercury is to blame. Gotcha.
- shoop008, on 11/27/2007, -1/+4You mean like how nature cures cancer, or maybe the smallpox, malaria, and aids that nature provides vaccines for. Oh boy, that nature sure creates some great stuff.
Pharmaceutical companies do some bad things but they also do good things. These companies don't want the bad press that comes with putting a drug out prematurely. It is not in their best interest to have their customers dying on them. - obliviousfool, on 11/27/2007, -0/+3But Tamiflu can't possibly have any bad side effects! Donald Rumsfeld worked long and hard to get Gilead's stock price up there! Look! The stock is healthy! Tamiflu must be healthy too!
- Bamborzled, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2Somebody should make a Pokemon DVD that comes with a free promotional sample of Tamiflu.
- Icupnimpn2, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2This article doesn't really mention what the children's behavior was like before those events occurred. I'd like to know if they were acting normal immediately before they fell or ran into traffic or if their moods were obviously disturbed for a while beforehand. Basically, were the acts seemingly spontaneous?
- PeauxBoy, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2Exactly which link between vaccines and autsim are you speaking of? Oh yeah, there are none!
- sicilian890, on 11/27/2007, -1/+3I worked in a pharmacy about two years ago when I first heard of this. The FDA needs to get its ***** together and stop giving the go ahead for drugs that kills people.
- floejoe, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2"Besides being a drug side effect, the agency said the behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare genetic reaction to the drug."
Not so dramatic now is it? - Icupnimpn2, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1I take it you have never seen this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGZRWq1-g6w - marytormey, on 09/17/2009, -0/+1The drug companies get it wrong again! Anise Extract is affective and you can buy it at most supermarkets for a much lower price, you can even buy it with food stamps! One bottle of Anise Extract(from the spice section) costs less then $5. It works instantly to clear sinuses and soothe the throat. A bottle last through even the worst colds. The strong taste helps you get the right dose.
- postaldave, on 11/27/2007, -1/+2music playing..."one of these things is not like the other ones"...........
- cactusmcdougal, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1More like Elevens and their Hinamizawa Syndrome, am I right?
- ManyAsOne, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1Except that Tamiflu isn't a vaccination- it's a medication. One is to prevent you from catching the flu in the first place, the other is to treat the flu after you've caught it. There's a big difference between an injection of dead viruses and a bunch of chemicals and enzymes designed to attack live viruses.
- PeauxBoy, on 11/27/2007, -0/+0Jane, you ignorant slut!
- asdfuiop, on 11/27/2007, -3/+3And I suppose they have a 'convulsions and hallucinations are cool' culture as well?
- xero69, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1Get a flu shot and trip balls for free? Hmmm
- ZenMojo, on 11/27/2007, -4/+4So all of those paranoiacs who refuse to get flu shots are right? What the Hell?
- steinalec, on 11/27/2007, -4/+4"Twenty-five patients under age 21 have died while taking Tamiflu, most of them in Japan. Five deaths resulted from children "falling from windows or balconies or running into traffic.""
i dont get it, it will make me leap from balconies? sounds less like flu, more like meth :( - PeauxBoy, on 11/27/2007, -0/+0Ok...so 25 people out of millions? I think I'll take my chances with a combo of lightning strike/meteor hit
- shacknasty, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1See this New Scientist article from OVER TWO YEARS AGO - http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8345.html
Its not strange to me that people are 'paranoid' when a particular vaccine kills almost 25% as many people as have died from the actual disease. - rocket777, on 11/27/2007, -3/+2And how long would such a company stay in business. If they're drugs are not safe, who's going to trust them. Remember the tire company that sold some dangerous tires. Overnight nobody was buying Firestone tires.
You also are forgetting who works at the FDA. It's made up of people who work in the drug industry. Who else knows anything about drugs? And since the FDA has more power than competing certification companies would have, the drug companies have an easier time controlling it. And please don't tell me the FDA isn't owned by the drug companies today. The drug companies love the FDA since it makes it much easier to keep older less effective drugs on the market.
Amazing how I get dugg down for wanting freedom of choice. Why are others so insistent on running my life for me? - rocket777, on 11/27/2007, -2/+1Why do you feel you have to use force (guns etc.) to make me value safety above all things. Why does the FDA have to be the only option? You say you want smaller government, why? Do you value freedom? What other reason is there other than that?
Why would there be private groups? Because there'd be a lot of money to be made if you had a private company that was good at doing what the FDA does now, or is supposed to be doing. And there would be competition. Drug companies would want to avoid lawsuits, so they will seek out these companies. If you want safe drugs, you would find a drug that was certified. I would hope you don't buy any electrical appliances that aren't UL approved (a private certification system). Consider that electrical fires kill people, yet UL is not government.
The problem is that the FDA is a monopoly backed by guns. So, what is THEIR motivation? It is not to make money or serve customers, it is simply to remain in power and keep their jobs. If they don't approve safe drugs, only the dead people who needed them will know. So they are overly cautious, and that can cause many deaths also.
The FDA is also unconstitutional, if one actually reads the words of the constitution.
Why can't people who like the FDA look for FDA approved labels. Then people like me could choose. Why do we have to be forced to satisfy your particular value (you value safety above all).
If you allow the government to decide what drugs you can have, it will decide what you can do in many other areas. Just because you happen to like this law, you empower the same government to disallow something that you DO want.
As long as the government is the only player, we will never know what entrepreneur geniuses might come up with.
I know of many other reasons to privatize the FDA, but I don't have the time or space to mention them here. - acidbass, on 11/27/2007, -3/+2yep, its called a scam.
- webcrumb, on 11/27/2007, -3/+2Hmm... I'm wondering why this hasn't been reported in Britain where the Government has stockpiled thousands of treatments of the vaccine in case of an N5H1 mutation...
"Yeah, so we saved the majority of population. Just not those who live above ground or near cars." - rocket777, on 11/27/2007, -4/+1How about a compromise. Let people decide for themselves if they want to buy FDA approved products or buy products that are not FDA approved. So, if you want to buy drugs with fda approval and NOT buy drugs that don't have the fda seal of approval, then you would be free to do so. But then I would be free to buy non-fda approved drugs.
Got a problem with this? - rocket777, on 11/27/2007, -6/+2FDA gets reports, what, the FDA doesn't do their own tests? Oh, yeah, I forgot, the FDA doesn't really test anything, it just creates the ton of paperwork so only Billion dollar drug companies can get drugs past the FDA rules.
Now we see that the rules don't fully work. So what's next, more rules and regulations? The FDA would probably prefer that no drug ever was approved, then they could say nothing bad got past them. - asdfuiop, on 11/27/2007, -9/+5*Sigh* First the supposed link between infant vaccines and autism, and now this... the pharmaceutical industry is easily a multibillion dollar industry yet they can't create anything close to what nature already provides
- rocket777, on 11/27/2007, -6/+2You are assuming that w/o the FDA that there wouldn't be a private solution(s). If there was no FDA, then there would be likely organizations like consumers guide, or underwriter's laboratories that would compete. A drug producer would likely pay these private companies to test their products so they could get the UL seal.
With government, you get one solution for all (and you pay though the nose and as we see you don't even get what you thought you were getting). Libertarians simply want the freedom to choose. We are not all morons that need the government to take care of us. We think all government agencies are no different than FEMA. - AndyDick, on 11/27/2007, -6/+1"Discussions with the manufacturers of influenza virus vaccines (which are now routinely recommended for pregnant women and children 6-23 months of age) regarding their capacity to potentially increase the supply of thimerosal-reduced and thimerosal-free presentations are ongoing."
Sooo...according to that link to an official FDA website...mercury is still being found in children's flu shots. - AndyDick, on 11/27/2007, -9/+4Perhaps it has something to do with mercury still being found in children's flu shots. Funny how the FDA, WHO, etc. keep telling the public it is within safe limits and overall makes Tamiflu cheaper to mass produce...but no way in hell will I ever willingly let my child receive mercury. I'd rather their bodies learn to fight the flu without a crutch so in the future they will have a better equiped immune system.
- spyd3rweb, on 11/27/2007, -8/+2The mercury and other junk in the vaccines is gooooooood for you.
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