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- carbonetc, on 11/07/2009, -3/+41And antivaxxers will be using her as an example for years to come of someone who was harmed by vaccines and who was cured by Generation Rescue, facts be damned.
- DrDigg, on 11/07/2009, -2/+32If you have ever seen anyone with true neurologic dystonia they don't move like this. This was psychological in origin. What re-affirms this is how quickly she got better after the "treatment". True neurologic injury doesn't not recover that fast.
- Gorgonzola44, on 11/07/2009, -8/+37Since it was a hoax this is now appropriate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgQKVrQeF4c
- anonymousmedic, on 11/07/2009, -3/+31Another proud misinformation feather in the cap of the Anti-Vaccination Movement. The snake oil salesmen that support them (the alternative health book industry, the crash diet industry, colon cleanses, homeopathy, crystal and psychic healing, and the indigo child movement to be exact) count on an ignorant public which will not dig deeper into sensationalized and overstated statistics, fearful language, and emotional appeals from a variety of unqualified celebritard spokespeople. (Just because McCarthy is a Mommy, doesn't qualify her to spew off poor medical advice to people. Expecially when she thinks that her autistic child is actually an "Indigo Child with Psychic Powers"
I kid you not, I am not making this up. - MaxxusFlamus, on 11/07/2009, -1/+27it's not a hoax- they never claimed it was a hoax per se.
It may very well be a real condition- but it's not related to the flu vaccine. - carbonetc, on 11/07/2009, -1/+24"Psychogenic signs and symptoms are real – the patient really experiences them, and often they lack insight into the origin of their symptoms. Psychogenic is not a synonym for fake, they are usually not voluntary, and patients cannot just stop their symptoms. A psychogenic disorder is a real disorder – it is just that the problem is with the brain’s software, not hardware."
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2471 - elliotys, on 11/07/2009, -1/+22I think quacks like Dr. Buttar, need to be exposed for the sloppy hacks they are. When doctors/pharmacists/health care providers start relying on their own knowledge and anecdotal cures, rather than evidence based medicine, it really makes the whole industry look bad and can cause much more harm than good.
- carbonetc, on 11/07/2009, -0/+20At this point I think Jenny McCarthy will be in denial until the day she dies. She could have wised up early on, but now she's played a role in a lot of people getting hurt. That's a realization that she can never allow into consciousness. The guilt would be too terrible. She's invested 100% now; there's no going back.
- PhoenixAvatar2, on 11/07/2009, -0/+20Media's definitely over-hyped it, but there's as good a reason to get this as there is for the seasonal shot. Helping with herd immunity, not lmissing work, etc.
- spookyttws, on 11/07/2009, -2/+19I know nothing of this story, but anyone who claims to have been abnormally affected by a flu vaccine is clearly promoting their own agenda (and by abnormally I'm referring to those who claim psychosis or autism from the shot, not bruising of the injection site or feeling ill).
- Lonandubh, on 11/07/2009, -2/+17Not fake. A variation on placebo: Real effects, because the brain is badass. The effects were completely real, and she had no conscious control over them, but there was no damage to her brain.
On the other hand, this means that her mind, which was the real culprit all along, was capable of curing her almost instantly (in neurological time scale) when it thought it should be cured. - DrDigg, on 11/07/2009, -0/+15It is a personal decision. Usually the "regular" flu severely effects the elderly and people with pre-existing lung disease. The swine flu seems to be different. We are seeing many more severe infections in teenagers, young adults, and pregnant women. Now the death rate seems to be lower, but it also seems like these are younger healthier people dying from this. We have had several teenagers die in our city from the swine flu, and our ICU is about half-filled with swine flu patients.
I can tell you that the chance of you dying from the swine flu is extremely low, but in my mind it really isn't worth taking the chance. I got the vaccine this week, and am taking my kids in next week for theirs. I didn't get the regular flu vaccine this year, as about 90% of our flu is H1N1. - MaxxusFlamus, on 11/07/2009, -1/+16dugg for medical science expertise.
- freakFlag, on 11/07/2009, -0/+15You exercised absolutely no independent thought, you sought no scientific claims nor did you weigh the pros and cons of your decision. You're in college man, practice that ***** now.
Another piece of advice to avoid getting sick, wipe the end of the pipe off with your shirt before you hit it (only during cold season is this process not breaking etiquette). - anonymousmedic, on 11/07/2009, -1/+15A True, neurological injury, whether it's an actual physical lesion, or something biochemical, does not heal and resolve instantly. It typically takes time, if ever, for the brain to rewire and relearn, and to attempt to repair itsself. True Neurological Dystonia doesn't resolve in a matter of hours like this woman's condition purportedly did.
And the reason they're harping on him is because he's a well known quack. - trolleyfan, on 11/07/2009, -0/+14Well then...
To all the Antivaxxers out there: Ha, Ha, Ha... - ericthesalmon, on 11/07/2009, -1/+14Short answer: Fake
Long answer: Unconsciously fake. - anonymousmedic, on 11/07/2009, -0/+12The Plural of Anectdote is not Evidence. That's a great story, but Influenza type H1N1 does not kill the same way as Seasonal Flu does, nor does it affect the same populations.
The whole purpose of mass vaccinations is to eliminate the potential hosts for an influenza epidemic to occur in. By vaccinating large numbers, the efficiency of the vaccine is increased greatly (No vaccine is 100% effective for viruses that mutate yearly such as the Flu strains). Getting the vaccine, and then being around dozens of people who have a strain of the flu and expecting full efficacy of the vaccine is like just expecting your car's airbag to keep you in the seat when you crash into something. - anonymousmedic, on 11/07/2009, -0/+12to Further the cause of anti-vaccination groups, groups which use public ignorance, shocking statistics which are misquoted, adverse effects that are incredibly rare, a distrust in organized scientific research, and rampant pseudoscientiifc beliefs to promote a cause that organzied, hard science has disproven.
- copypastry, on 11/07/2009, -0/+12For those of you confused about this woman's disease:
Neo (bleeding): I thought it wasn't real.
Morpheus: Your mind makes it real.
Neo: If you're killed in the matrix, you die here?
Morpheus: The body cannot live without the mind. - Lonandubh, on 11/07/2009, -1/+12The only way this is a hoax is if her Brain was pulling a hoax On Her. Psychogenic means it's a psychological based affliction, not fake. It's like a placebo effect disease. Completely mental, but completely real for all that.
- anonymousmedic, on 11/07/2009, -0/+11Mixing a flu vaccine wrong won't cause dystonia. It will either cause a localized reaction and tissue necrosis, or it will cause an emboli in the bloodstream should they have hit a vessel.
- _skin_, on 11/07/2009, -1/+11OH SNAP!!!
***Rushes off to get the flu shot!*** - reiggin, on 11/07/2009, -2/+12Oh, look... it's a brunette version of Jenny McCarthy.
Bitch. - Laminarcissus, on 11/07/2009, -0/+9actually I actually heard it's actually wolf pee and Tang.
- Thistlejack, on 11/07/2009, -1/+10So Urine Injection doesn't work??? Dammit! Foiled again!
- elliotys, on 11/07/2009, -1/+9No, but golden showers on the otherhand. . .
- macslut, on 11/07/2009, -0/+8It's pretty simple. The chances of dying from the flu or from the vaccine are extremely low. However, they're lower with the vaccine than from dying from the flu (swine or other). Combine the death risk with other complications (as well as other issue risks from the vaccine), and you're still better off with the vaccine.
Even if it's just a matter of being really sick for a couple of weeks versus getting a quick shot during your lunch break, the vaccine comes out ahead....and the chance of just getting the flu and feeling significantly sick isn't that low. - therealkid, on 11/07/2009, -3/+10I frickin' agree. That article was as confusing as a blonde explaining the theory of relativity.
- anonymousmedic, on 11/07/2009, -1/+8eliiotys - there are people with Ph.Ds out there that believe that water molecules can hold a "Memory" - the pseudoscientific basis for homeopathy.
There are Governments who believe Dowsing Rods can find bombs, with tragic and fatal results.
Stupidity crosses all nationality, language, cultural, and educational levels.
Dr. Rashid Buttar, as far as I understand, had his medical license suspended for performing unorthadox and highly dangerous medical procedures that had no basis in evidence based medicine. People are easily scared, and cancer patients and the despirate are easily played on. - anonymousmedic, on 11/07/2009, -2/+9Because, it's middle aged healthy people that are at most risk for dying from this.
http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2009/04/swine_fl ...
http://newsblaze.com/story/20090427092841mcco.nb/t ...
http://www.fluwikie.com/index.php?n=Science.Primer ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm - Tamriel, on 11/07/2009, -1/+8Not sure if anyone else has had experiences like this with the anti-vax crowd, but I've got a couple relatives who truly believe that vaccinations caused autism in 2 of their 3 children. (The third is still a bit too young to tell, but was not vaccinated, and is starting to show signs of autism anyway.) They'll scream that it was the vaccines that did that to their children because that's the only explanation they want to believe. It's hard to just say it, but it needs to be said: it wasn't the vaccines; it was your ***** genetics. *I'm absolutely not promoting eugenics*, but when two people are extremely likely to give birth to children that will never be able to function without lots and lots of assistance their entire lives, and keep having kids, it's extremely selfish on their part. But hey, blame the scientists and the doctors...
- ericthesalmon, on 11/07/2009, -1/+7Don't worry, you're not an antivaxxer. You (rightly) think vaccination is a good thing.
- copypastry, on 11/07/2009, -0/+6So wait elliotys are you saying that R. Kelly is an alternative medicine practitioner?
- elliotys, on 11/07/2009, -0/+6So we are in complete agreement then.
- anonymousmedic, on 11/07/2009, -0/+6According to all the evidence, either it was completely psychogenic, or it was an elaborate hoax.
- doctorgrim, on 11/07/2009, -1/+6Autism is hereditary, they should stop having kids. But that's not the only reason why they shouldn't.
- slappymode, on 11/08/2009, -0/+5See, this is how silly misinformation spreads - by people repeating things they "read somewhere."
Then again, I do recall reading somewhere that it is the preserving solution they put the vaccines in that causes autism. Oh wait, I know where I read it, it was in your post.
I hope your kidding with this post, but if you're not, you should really let all the doctors and such know about what you read so that they can use a different preserving solution and cure autism. - inactive, on 11/08/2009, -0/+4Badfish,
You linked to three stories all of which describe people PROTESTING. Not one mentions anyone "on strike." Also the numbers represented in these stories is laughable when compared to the amount of health care workers that there are in this country. Hardly a situation of "most doctors and health care workers" refusing to take the vaccine. So in summary, FAIL. - dawgma, on 11/07/2009, -1/+5Psychogenic does not mean it was a hoax, you moron. They may be wrong about the causes, but it absolutely does not mean she was faking it.
- freakFlag, on 11/07/2009, -0/+4I don't claim to be an antivaxxer but perhaps I am to some, its your interpretation I guess. My wife and son both got the flu shot this year as she is a school teacher and he is 16 months old. I look at it like this, I'm 28 years old with a 16 month old son and I sacrificed my shot so some other kid could get theirs.
I understand why there are high risk groups but I'm afraid too few people understand the impact of needlessly getting a flu shot. The impact is that you would be soaking up a vaccine that could be going to somebody who actually needs it.
If it were up to me, high risk would have first dibs with no exceptions, the rest of us would have to wait. Keep in mind, this is my opinion and my wife, son and I caught H1N1 early in the season and we're over it. - carbonetc, on 11/07/2009, -0/+3Live and learn. You shouldn't be dugg down for it. This is why those people pose a danger; what they do works.
- tylercanopy, on 11/07/2009, -0/+3woo-meister
- inactive, on 11/08/2009, -1/+4"Why do most doctors and healthcare workers REFUSE to take the vaccine????????????"
Because you just made that up.
"There are healthcare workers all over the country on strike because they are being forced to take this vaccine."
Show me a legitimate story of at least one that is actually "on strike," because of this. - macslut, on 11/07/2009, -0/+3How do you mix, let alone incorrectly mix, a single flu dose?
- diggaligg, on 11/07/2009, -1/+3you; you are the reason
- Intrusionv2, on 11/07/2009, -6/+8So...was it fake or not? Article is cumbersome/confusing to read.
- therealkid, on 11/07/2009, -1/+3Ooh, good clarification. I get it now. Thanks. That article was blergh.
- anonymousmedic, on 11/07/2009, -0/+2If it was a single dose or multidose vial and they reconstituted it incorrectly by not adding enough saline; or didn't use a filtered needle to draw up the dose.
- geoffderuiter, on 11/08/2009, -0/+2I think we are missing the big picture here, did she get the flu? no. Flu shot FTW :P
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