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- Shiner76, on 11/25/2008, -1/+25Obviously the system is broken to some extent but there is a point when those responsible need to wake up and at least address the obvious. The reality is that the "probe" will probably be as half-ass'd as the care/monitoring currently being given. It's a no win situation and the only way any of these issues get solved is through the continued awareness drawn to the public.
- jcorn1, on 11/25/2008, -2/+19So sad, hope they find out what happened.
- stonebear, on 11/25/2008, -7/+16Privatization of public services happened.
- spepin, on 11/26/2008, -0/+743lbs... That made my stomach feel queasy. I can't and don't want to imagine what that looks like.
- miggyb, on 11/26/2008, -0/+5I can't believe nobody has realized that 43 ≠ 48.
- BellaVitaGirl, on 11/26/2008, -0/+5Ha! I am from New Jersey and Camden is probably the WORST place to get anything done. It was the #1 city for crime in the USA a few years back. The police force is at best ineffective. If you live in NJ, you know you don't go to Camden at night, unless you are going to the Waterfront for a concert, and then you DON'T go alone. Camden lost its glory decades ago and has just been a mess since then. Newark may be the "armpit" of New Jersey, having all of the industrial areas near there, but Camden is probably the most dangerous city in NJ, and it's mostly because the bureaucracy is so inept there. It doesn't surprise me that this happened in Camden--because Camden is completely broken as a city.
As a side note, Extreme Home Makeover did their NJ stop on their 50-states tour in Camden. They actually had to move the family to another parcel of land for safety. The family today is still failing--because Camden itself is failing.
Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden,_New_Jersey#Cr ... This has links to the crime statistics where Camden was ranked "Most Dangerous City" - BeShirtHappy, on 11/26/2008, -1/+6@mickstephenson: I don't know who Relaxxation is... but dude - you are being a bit "stalkish". You really should lay off... you're being more than a little creepy.
- baberim, on 11/26/2008, -0/+4Unfortunately health care in NJ isn't top notch when it comes to these types of facilities...its sick that this kind of stuff happens. So sad.
- inactive, on 11/26/2008, -0/+4Right on BellaVita. I was lucky enough to grow up in Monmouth County, and never travelled that far west :)
- BeShirtHappy, on 11/26/2008, -0/+4Very well said.
- inactive, on 11/26/2008, -2/+6Well I got nothing. Too far from Newark to blame it on them, too far from Atlantic City to blame it on that areas issues, and right next to Philadelphia which I would think has higher standards.
Camden, NJ just went and screwed this up on its own. - OutThere, on 11/26/2008, -0/+4My brother is 4 and disabled. As long as I am able to (ie until I die) I will fight to keep him out of one of these places.
- winstonsmith303, on 11/26/2008, -0/+3WOW. If I believed in a Hell, whoever is responsible for this would be going there.
- laser103, on 11/26/2008, -0/+3HOLY *****! AWESOME
- inactive, on 11/26/2008, -0/+3No, I commend your efforts but this is pretty horrible timing.
- reeds1999, on 11/26/2008, -2/+5LICENSED home. Sounds like private enterprise to me. America's health care system in action!
- ajamer, on 11/26/2008, -1/+4Obviously, she should have had a feeding tube place and been pumped full of calories to keep her alive.
Sometimes, this is how human beings who are physically abnormal end up dying. - jasdf, on 11/26/2008, -0/+3At least she is bigger than the 11 pound girl (15 years old) from the article with the kid with his heart on the outside.
- inactive, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2Your an ass sandburn.
Everything's always a joke. - hdrkid, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2I asked an old man to give me the wisdom he had acquired in his age. he said - People are evil.
- devoss, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2Sure, I'd love state run health care. /sarcasm
- iloveobama, on 11/26/2008, -6/+8I trust the government with my healthcare, hopefully it will be run as great as the DMV and public schools. Just wait until they start cutting costs and denying treatments. The glorious future of Obamacare is almost here
- viv4l4b4m03, on 11/26/2008, -1/+3hahaha, New Jersey.
- doublefelix, on 11/26/2008, -2/+4I agree insofar as this is an indictment of the type of government we've had for the last 8 years that couldn't give a lesser ***** for those without a powerful Political Action Committee in their corner. Almost as if a Republican Administration were acting like a petulant child and breaking something "see, it doesn't work!!!" We should probably close down the VA hospitals while we're at it.
/s (as it so often proves necessary here) - fattehboi, on 11/26/2008, -2/+4***** I'm from NJ.
- inactive, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2SAD
- Andysan, on 11/26/2008, -3/+5Privatization has EVERYTHING to do with it. The crazy notion that disabled people can somehow be trained out of their disabilities and can live in grubby little group homes is what is wrong. This poor girl is a classic example of what happens when politically correct nonsense rules instead of common sense.
The madness driving the closing of all large facilities is having the same effect everywhere it is tried. Also, I have been the parent of a disabled man for 47 years and I guarantee you that I know more about this crisis than the happy-talk advocates could ever hope or want to know.
Check this link:
http://bestplacefordave.org/ - Techx4, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2Camden is a *****.. i wouldnt be surprised of anything that comes from that cesspool of a city
- biggestprick, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2You're a real idiot. This is something very sad.
- Andysan, on 11/26/2008, -1/+3You are truly ***** nuts!!!
- BellaVitaGirl, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2Agreed. I love New Jersey and wouldn't trade it for anything. It has the best of all worlds--ironically, one of the years that NJ had the "most dangerous city in America" it also was the location of "The best town to live in in America". Any "armpit" references basically refer solely to the pictures people see of the Newark area, where there are a lot of factories, etc., or of New York's dumping ground areas. The rest of NJ is very green and lovely and there are fantastic places to live.
Camden's just not one of them. It needs help, badly, just like other "failing cities" in the nation (such as Detroit, which took the crown from Camden for most dangerous city in America). - sealjosh, on 11/26/2008, -0/+2I'm a firefighter/EMT in a town near Camden, NJ and these "homes" are popping up all over the place around me. Every time I go there for a medical call or whatever they always seem kind of dirty and run down and run by people who don't really care about the patients. I'm not saying they are all like this, but every one that I've seen is like it. There needs to be some sort of oversight on these things.
- bearcat8543, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1NO WAI!!!
- deadapostle, on 11/26/2008, -1/+2Back in the day, I was a project manager at a school for the developmentally disabled. Basically, my position put me in charge of 3 classrooms of people, about 20 people per classroom. Turnover was incredibly high, and I had to fire several people for their reprehensible care-giving. I ended up quitting the job when I thought to myself that it would be more humane for our government to use these people as target practice for training elite soldiers. The reality is that the only way that people who do nothing but consume services will be properly cared for is if they are cared for by their families. I might sound overly harsh, but even this story is an example for my rationale. The girl's father died in 2005 and there was nobody left to advocate for her care to be acceptable. God, I hope I don't have developmentally disabled children.
- iamamaniac, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1This is a horrific tragedy.
- lowtolerance, on 11/27/2008, -0/+1ne, i'm actively involved with working with seniors in an assisted living home. some of these people, my grandmother included, suffer from dementia and Alzheimers. I've heard my grandmother say she wants to die many times, but I've also heard her say that a little girl lives in her flower pot. My point is that people in these types are situation are incapable of making their own decisions in life, including choosing whether they live or die.
Who said anything about "natural vs. acute" dehydration? Dehydration is about as unnatural a process as there is. There's not a single chemical process in our bodies that can take place in the correct balance of water. It's like jamming the gears of the systems that control our bodies one by one, more akin to torture than a gentle way of dying as you seem to be suggesting. Death by dehydration is by definition acute dehydration. - doublefelix, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1No, I was responding within the general context of your comment with my reply, as people are apt to do.
- Y0tsuya, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1can't....resist...must...buy...useless....junk...
- gtluke, on 11/26/2008, -1/+2Did you just say that george bush starved this girl to death?
wtf? - albinorhino101, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1Wait..a huffpo article on digg that's not bashing republicans? WTF?!?!?!
- rayfiend, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1Right, this is no different than any other issued license. These places are granted non-profit status sometimes, and they're supposed to be monitored. They are not, however, government-operated facilities. Ttheir proprietors often make huge salaries, but the care-takers, themselves, are usually paid minimum wage and are in such short supply that they're rarely held to the standards the state demands.They;re also rarely supervised. Most of these homes consist of several actual homes with one care-taker and several residents assigned to each shift.
Considering the job entails the care of a group of profoundly mentally disabled adults, who are commonly non-verbal, thus unable to tell anyone what's happening, and whose diapers need changing, medication needs crushing and food needs spoon-feeding, hiring just anyone and paying almost nothing is a sure recipe for disaster.
- lowtolerance, on 11/26/2008, -1/+2Ne, you are a seriously demented individual. A person this handicapped probably couldn't have made the decision to commit suicide had she wanted to.
Death by dehydration is far from a painless - crippling headaches, depression, severe muscle spasms, and seizures are the kind of symptoms one can expect during their last days. Hardly a humane way to kill someone, and it would be virtually impossible for someone to kill themselves this way without being held in captivity. - TVarmy, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1It's not as nationally famous as those cities, but it's a very impoverished and dangerous city. I can't say I'm surprised that they would have problems running a hospital, even though it deeply saddens me. Further, Trenton has similar problems (It was called Most Dangerous City for a while, now it's ranked 16th nationwide), and it is right on the Pennsylvania border, so it's not like pockets of NJ benefit through osmosis with other states.
All in all, I do like New Jersey, and I hope you don't assume it's all impoverished urban areas. Despite high property taxes, it is considered one of the best places for suburbanites to settle, and it's really close to a lot of interesting places, both inside and outside its borders. That may sound like an insult, but it's centrally located. A trip to Philadelphia or New York is doable by car or public transit, and population density means that we don't have to put up with crappy services like in the country. - hobophobe, on 11/26/2008, -0/+1What's this "government run" crap? It's state-licensed, not state-run. It was a private facility. The hand government has in this is merely one of negligence: failure to properly regulate the care of those who cannot care for themselves.
We can talk about solutions to the government's failure, or about the government-filtered monies that are used to pay for the care of these people and how to spend it more effectively, but we should first be clear that the ultimate failure here was at the hands of those who were contracted to provide care and did not live up to their end of the bargain. And a human being suffered and died as a result of that. - sandburn, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1yea - i wish i could take that back :(
- gtluke, on 11/26/2008, -1/+2you are implying that the republicans have ANY say in ANYTHING that goes on in NJ. we are as liberal as states get.
you can not blame this on republicans, you libs have run this state into the ground. - m4lomb, on 11/26/2008, -3/+3Privatization has nothing to do with it. I have a child with special needs and he uses both public and private services so I know a little bit about it. Also, there are no fully private services as they all resort to government grants and other sources of public financing. This is a people problem.
- illumiknitti, on 11/26/2008, -0/+0I feel the need to point this out, as a former New Jerseyan. The dateline is Camden, but the article states that this happened in Hunterdon County. Camden is not in Hunterdon County--that must be where the story was filed from, but not where it happened. I'd also like to point out that Hunterdon County is one of the richest counties in the state. I used to work for the hospital where she ended up, and it's a very affluent area. This time, we don't get to blame poverty for the system being *****.
- Ne007, on 11/26/2008, -1/+1There's a difference between not having the will to live and wanting to commit suicide.
A person that doesn't have the will to live stops eating and shuts down.
If you all want to keep people alive that do not have the will to live then go ahead, but make sure you are active in taking care of them. This may help give them the will to live.
My whole point of the post is to show that money doesn't buy these people love and I've seen way too many families on the sidelines pointing fingers when they themselves do not show up to take an active role in these people's lives.
And lowtolerance, death by natural dehydration is different than death by acute dehydration.
Go and volunteer with your nearest long term care facility or hospice to help these people. Don't just sit back, typing words and pointing fingers. - m4lomb, on 11/27/2008, -1/+1Nice post Andysan. I agree with your link and I am 100% for PUBLIC services. Nevertheless, there are some good private organizations (ChildServe in Iowa comes to mind) that charge parents absolutely nothing and provide outstanding services.
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