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- xerograde, on 11/08/2009, -34/+390I'm torn. While I agree with Kucinich's reasoning, I think something is better than nothing. People no longer getting denied because of pre-existing conditions is a pretty huge deal.
- tsahsiewfan, on 11/08/2009, -29/+268Go Dennis! He is a Democrat with balls! Big Blue Balls!
- jwinter228, on 11/08/2009, -22/+210I don't support government-run health care but I applaud Kucinich for sticking with his principles unlike all the other sellouts in Washington.
- yocouchdigga, on 11/08/2009, -29/+208This man deserves more attention, more support and more media coverage.
Kucinich '12 - faceless323, on 11/09/2009, -3/+107Have you seen his wife?? He has no blue balls.
- Jaywong, on 11/09/2009, -3/+106"But instead of working toward the elimination of for-profit insurance, H.R. 3962 would put the government in the role of accelerating the privatization of health care. In H.R. 3962, the government is requiring at least 21 million Americans to buy private health insurance from the very industry that causes costs to be so high, which will result in at least $70 billion in new annual revenue, much of which is coming from taxpayers. This inevitably will lead to even more costs, more subsidies, and higher profits for insurance companies — a bailout under a blue cross."
This bill is nothing more than a transfer of wealth from taxpayers to wall street. Why are people so happy about it? - CosmicSurfer, on 11/08/2009, -3/+79You obviously do not know Kucinich or anything he has been doing for the past 10 months on this issue. He was working until the wire to
1. Get a single payer amendment into the bill
2. Get state's rights into the bill in order to open it up to a state option for single-payer
3. To get meaningful change.
But let's not get in the way of your imagination here.
He has let anyone who wanted to know AND all his constituents know his positions throughout. He sent position letters out constantly with three out in the past 4 days explaining his entire plan.
He is the most direct, open and honest representative in CONGRESS and one of the most liberal.
If you followed Kucinich and paid attention, you would have expected nothing less than a stand against this bill - wirerat1, on 11/09/2009, -3/+72All of you harassing Dennis don't understand him. He isn't your typical politician, because he actually cares about you. He isn't the guy you elect every 2 or 6 years who don't give a ***** about you or your needs, he actually cares about this country. The apathy of the people and their learned helplessness in accepting the lesser of two evils is how we've ended up where we are. Dennis's choice is the right one. It is a shame that we are so busy with our own personal lives and issues that we can not force our elected politicians to do what they know is right. Shame on you, not Dennis. Dennis is the only one who actually cares about the people. Dennis, Ron Paul, they aren't influenced by the people who line your own representatives pockets... They actually care where this country is going. It is the politicians of the past 20 years who haven't given a damn about the people that have put us where we are. They have taught us to be helpless and as such we get what we deserve. Nothing.. and you'll like it... because that was better than nothing.
- mkriss5681, on 11/09/2009, -21/+88I disagree with the Kucinich on this one. I would have rather had full universal healthcare, but This is the first step. This bill is going to put the insurance industry in a bad spot.
I know if I get the choice, I'm going public option. I have a feeling a lot of other people will too. - tsahsiewfan, on 11/08/2009, -10/+67Eric Massa of NY also voted no because the House health care bill does too little!
- MadOgre, on 11/09/2009, -5/+54Maybe he read the bill?
- charlietuna, on 11/09/2009, -18/+63I disagree on almost every point with this man, but I certainly respect him.
- Akairenn, on 11/09/2009, -0/+43Kucinich vs. Paul in 2012, with a large-breasted half-naked Statue of Liberty as a referee, while explosions of freedom and red white and blue confetti rain down upon the battlegrounds of the capitol building.
- NorthMass, on 11/09/2009, -4/+42lol I almost never agree with Dennis but he is my 2nd favorite congressman behind Dr. Paul because he has integrity and sticks to his principles.
- baldr, on 11/09/2009, -12/+49he would have voted 'yes' if it wouldn't pass otherwise. he only voted 'no' so that people would read about why he did so.
(not ranking on the man, i <3 Kucinich) - funkedup, on 11/09/2009, -12/+49Yes. At least he's honest about it. All this current bill will do is drive up costs, lower quality, and gives us a more corporatist system of health care. I can't believe idiots are applauding this bill.
- jadenton, on 11/09/2009, -4/+38How about Obama/Kucinich in '12 and Kucinich '16. Biden is too old to run in 2016, and it would not be unprecedented for him to bow out in favor of a new VP.
- xXRUSHXx, on 11/09/2009, -0/+34Because people don't truly know whats going on they are getting played like fools
- NorthMass, on 11/09/2009, -1/+30great comment, we need more politicians like Ron and Dennis, whether you agree with them or not you know they have principle and actually care.
- Barackalypse, on 11/09/2009, -5/+33While I disagree with some of his analysis (but not his vote), I respect the personal integrity it took for him to break rank and vote no. He is completely right on one point, forcing people to buy insurance is not the way to bring costs down.
- homercles337, on 11/09/2009, -8/+35*****. Without proper regulation and restriction that means windfall profits for the FOR-PROFIT health insurance industry. The repugs want everyone into forced health insurance plans with no regulation to the FOR-PROFIT insurance industry. The public option is a compromise, but the single-payer plan is the only thing that will work in this country where so many have been so misled about the "magical hand" of the for-profit market. The profit has to be removed from this industry in its entirety. Its a cancer, and if youre a surgeon do you go in thinking, "i need to remove PART of this tumor before it kills my patient?" Or do you think, "this thing is a cancer and has to be removed in its entirety"? The for-profit health care industry is a cancer.
- InfiniteNothing, on 11/09/2009, -0/+26You've gotta respect a man that sees through the crap and sticks to his guns.
- proflacroix, on 11/09/2009, -8/+34"something is better than nothing..."
"step in the right direction..."
"necessary compromise..."
"baby steps..."
VS
"sweeping health care reform"
"comprehensive"
"overhaul"
"change we can believe in"
sorry, this sounds like a massive failure to me. this already compromised bill still has to get watered down in the senate, and again in committee before anyone signs whatever is left of our "sweeping reform."
way to go for it, congress. all of you sackless, self-serving doucheholes have let your country down again.
and special thanks to the republicans and blue dogs for pushing us all over the falls. - TigerOfPTS, on 11/09/2009, -4/+29A tiny little man with such grand ideas.
I applaud him. - hangman16, on 11/09/2009, -1/+24I don't believe this will put the insurance industry in a bad spot. The largest demographic of uninsured are young adults who don't buy insurance because they (stupidly? that's up for debate) don't believe they need coverage. This is also the overall lowest risk group. The insurance companies are now going to have millions of additional people paying premiums that are unlikely to make significant claims. Profits $$$.
I don't know this for a fact, but it is an idea I've heard discussed. The only ones that know for sure are the insurance companies - they are the ones with all the data... - robinthehood, on 11/09/2009, -0/+23I hope all the people that were lauding Obama for getting his bill passed gave a good long read at what Dennis was saying in his article.
- sonofabiscuit, on 11/09/2009, -8/+30I can say the same about Ron Paul. Both have a great deal of integrity, and it's too bad there aren't more lawmakers like them.
- EarlOfLade, on 11/09/2009, -5/+26This is NOT the first step toward UHC, it's the first step taken to avoid UHC.
Congratulations Americans, your health care system is still over 50 years behind the rest of the civilized world. Think about that next time someone in your family has problems with their insurance company. - thrashertm, on 11/09/2009, -3/+24I oppose government healthcare, but I support Kucinich. He's a man of principle and integrity - the Ron Paul of the Left.
- Mikelulz, on 11/08/2009, -13/+34'16. There is no way anyone other than Obama is going to secure the Democratic Party nomination for 2012, though I'd rather have Kucinich than Obama.
(I still love you, Obama.) - Chanz, on 11/09/2009, -11/+32Yes, he is right. The bill isn't perfect. But anyone who thinks we're going to go from an insurance company run system to a perfect government system overnight is simply mislead. Sure, the bill isn't perfect, but things happen in steps. It is a giant step in the right direction, one that will allow the ideal system to come forth in the years ahead.
- MWeather, on 11/09/2009, -21/+41Nobody has suggested a government takeover of health care, just insurance.
- addiktion, on 11/09/2009, -1/+21Politically, I love this man.
- stylesmcjay, on 11/09/2009, -14/+34see the Canadian system?? copy it!! why is this so complicated. money hungry scum bag insurance companies can burn.
- Zain123, on 11/09/2009, -0/+20You obviously didn't read the article.
- hangman16, on 11/09/2009, -3/+23He didn't vote WITH the GOP, he voted against the bill for different reasons. There is a difference. Why do things always have to be 'with or against'? There can be multiple reasons to be for or against something and we shouldn't pretend things are as simple as black or white.
- MWeather, on 11/09/2009, -3/+21@Nerys"which is a DEFACTO TAKE OVER of health care."
No, it's not. My doctor decides what care I need. My insurance just decides whether or not to pay for that needed care.
@Minarchian "Where is it written, within the Constitution, that Congress can take over an industry?"
Ask the air traffic controllers, maybe Reagan told them. - zoomer123, on 11/09/2009, -6/+23Ron Paul voted against Net Neutrality. He opposes government regulation of the internet but supports the "freedom" for corporations like AT&T and Comcast to create a tiered service model in order to control and restrict content, sites, and platforms on the internet.
AT&T is no different than Aetna. Kucinich knows best. Paul, kind of nutty. - CosmicSurfer, on 11/09/2009, -2/+19Unfortunately the propaganda is so thick with the Wrong Wing BS and the MSM only spewing what gets them the best ratings - true or not, many believe all the pap and don't bother to research beyond what they are told by their wrong wing talking heads and fantasy writers.
The concept of medicine withpout insurance companies is lost on them
For some reason everybody STILL does not understand that the inherent definition of Insurance is that there is a perpetual middle man between them and their health care but they cannot wrap their head around that the idea of a middle man is in itself corrupt and far from cost effective (hence the most expensive health care costs in the world with 47 million uninsured, 60% of the nation under-insured and everyone mistaking their claims adjustor for their medical provider)
If they bothered with understanding the definition of single payer it is NO INSURANCE, no control. It is you and your doctor with the bills paid by the government as an accounting manager. - EarlOfLade, on 11/09/2009, -10/+27I don't support government run health care either, I support a single payer UHC system like found in other UHC countries where their governments are not running the health care but financing it via the tax bill.
My UHC doctor was self employed and employed a nurse to assist him, made tons of money of course. And so are most doctors under UHC, including most hospitals. What is your problem with it? - rocknog, on 11/09/2009, -10/+27Great - you and people like you are the greatest problem in politics today. People have become resigned to accepting mediocrity. It's like the 2008 election - I think very few people who voted for either McCain or Obama were really convinced that they were voting for the best person for the job - so many people were just like "Well, at least it's not the other guy."
- poopin, on 11/09/2009, -5/+21I was a conservative Republican for years. Over the past 4 or so I have swung very hard toward the progressive side.
My observations are:
*Democrats are VERY good at incremental-ism. They do not have to have all or nothing like the Repubs. They are patient. While a Republican, I observed that Democrats were fine with small victories headed toward a the large one. Repubs were not.
*Republicans are far wiser at PR and naming things. Patriot Act, Contract with America, etc. etc. How can you disagree with something called the Patriot Act??? Brilliant PR on that one even though the Patriot Act does the OPPOSITE of its brand. Had the Dems called this the "Patriot Health" or "Benevolent US Citizen Act"..or something like that, people would have had a VERY hard time voting against it. - NorthMass, on 11/09/2009, -1/+17Kucinich and Paul stick to their principles, and don't sell them out. Everyone else in Congress doesn't have principles, so they naturally will not pass anything Kucinich or Paul endorses, as they are men of principle.
- areyouserial, on 11/09/2009, -18/+34Obama is a one term president if he doesn't get a broadly available public option passed.
- Zain123, on 11/09/2009, -5/+20If it's flawed, then it's looks a lot less flawed than the American system.
- hangman16, on 11/09/2009, -4/+19What I find ironic when people make this argument is that our gov't already spends a larger percentage of total tax revenue on healthcare than nearly every other country in the world that offers universal government-run healthcare... Soooo really we are spending more money now than if we would just follow those countries' models and insure everyone.
Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion though! - Jacare, on 11/09/2009, -0/+15i would actually like to see him get more media coverage and i think it would be hilarious cause right wingers have already set the precedent of calling obama and co. socialists, communists etc. what are they gonna do with a guy who actually is left of center on the political spectrum?
- FrankStevens, on 11/09/2009, -4/+19Any time someone uses the words "commie," "marxist," "socialist," or "nazi" in a comment I digg them down. It makes people sound like whiny morons. I appreciate that you might have a different opinion, but don't resort to name calling. It's just childish and petty.
And as far as Kucinich goes, his actual motives seem to be to get some serious reforms through the system to prevent us from being exploited by the insurance industry. I have a hard time seeing that as soulless. - geoboy, on 11/09/2009, -1/+13Well I can believe that idiots are applauding this bill.
- 1nhuman, on 11/09/2009, -0/+12I've learned that sticking with your principles almost never gets you anywhere in politics.
That's also the reason why I would suck at politics. -
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