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- Spamiclese, on 11/23/2008, -0/+19This just in: Excessive alcohol consumption is bad for your liver.
- inactive, on 11/23/2008, -1/+17Teenagers are not children.
And anecdotal evidence of alcoholic teenagers does not reflect the reality of the binge drinking nonalcoholic teens that by far dominate over their addicted counterparts.
Binge drinking =/= Alcoholism. - mmittimm, on 11/23/2008, -4/+19That's cute
- Taedirk, on 11/23/2008, -0/+12I used to have that stance on alcohol and a few other things. Then I actually tried them and wondered why the hell I hadn't started doing them ages ago.
- AChopra, on 11/23/2008, -1/+12So, what this is trying to say is, we risk liver disease from drinking too much.... As does everyone else.... Great article... -_-
- divinediva, on 11/22/2008, -2/+10Preventing liver disease through healthy eating.Nonalcoholic fatty liver disease refers to a range of conditions from cirrhosis .
- NicoNicoNico, on 11/23/2008, -0/+8With a shot of Jack Daniels in it, right? That's the only way to drink it.
- Obsession88, on 11/23/2008, -4/+12I'll drink to that!!
- apophenic, on 11/23/2008, -0/+6Yes. Drinking is bad for your liver. Especially if it is still developing. Thank you for the update, British Liver Trust.
- whatthefu, on 11/23/2008, -0/+6Jaundice? How much are they ***** drinking?
- Teknikscian, on 11/23/2008, -2/+7I bet you dont ever curse or masterbate either
- shotgunefx, on 11/23/2008, -0/+5I'm not saying it's good for you, it ain't, but kids getting hammered has always been around, and no more today than 1998, or 1978, or 1968.
- chasemassey, on 11/23/2008, -4/+8I say lower the drinking age and let the future Darwin Award winners exit the gene pool before they reproduce.
- 12916studios, on 11/23/2008, -9/+13I'm 20 and I don't drink. Never have, never will. To me there is just no point to it.
- apophenic, on 11/23/2008, -0/+4It is probably better for you to drink nothing but vodka.
- FasterGun, on 11/23/2008, -2/+5"and dont give me this ***** that addiction is a "disease" that hijacks the brain. that view of addiction is not supported by a lot of doctors."
Ahahahaha so, hows it like in your bubble? - akula89, on 11/23/2008, -0/+35 litres a night
- homercles337, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3I take it you live in the states? Clinicians (aka MDs) in the states adopt the puritan perspective when it comes to alcohol. The definition of alcoholic is so profoundly conservative it boggles the mind (Europeans laugh at us). Also, they preach abstinence only when it comes to this issue. Just try talking to a clinician in the states about Moderation Management as opposed to the religion of Alcoholics Anonymous. This being said, i went through a very tough time a few years ago and over a 9-12 month period discovered just how much drinking it takes to get into serious medical trouble. A 12 pack of beer everyday is *not* even close. I also learned that the liver is the most resilient organ in the body.
Edit: Also you are right about clinicians. They *always* adopt the extreme worst prognosis. - blankypoo, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3Right behind "I'm a virgin" and "I watch porn" on the list of things you'd expect to hear from a digger.
- TheOneTrueGod, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3I think we can safely assume that he indeed never masterbates.
- inactive, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3Well you're missing out on a lot. I drink both whiskey and beer because they taste delicious, not to mention I sometimes get tipsy and that's fun.
- inactive, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3If you have never drunk then you are not in a position to have an informed view on drinking.
It would be a lot more impressive had you said, "I've drunk in the past and found it not to be for me." - FasterGun, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2What, the theory that some substances alter the brain chemically to create a need for that substance? Its called physical dependence and you can ask the families of the min ~440,000 people who die from it each year how well supported it is.
- homercles337, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2I looked at some of your comments and conclude that you are *not* an angry drunk (if you like to post drunk). You are one of these things:
1) A troll
or
2) Mildly retarded - inactive, on 11/23/2008, -2/+4"Binge drinking is a form of alcohol abuse that can lead to alcoholism"
I have never seen nor heard of any evidence to support that. Care to share?
"Don't try and downplay the dangers of binge drinking"
I didn't, I'm just trying to separate rationality from hysteria.
"If you have to lie to yourself about it in order to feel better in regards to your own poor choices and behavior I think you might already have a problem"
I neither have to lie nor make myself feel better over my choices (which you have assumed to be poor.)
"I think you might already have a problem"
If a problem is a nice social life, friends and good times, then yes, I have a problem
"but don't spread your twisted reasoning that can only serve to reinforce the rationalization someone else affords their bad behavior."
My reasoning is neither twisted nor a negative reinforcement. It is merely a rational fact based approach to the topic of drinking. The health damage caused by binge drinking (binge drinkers often drink less than upper class folk who indulge to a lower extent but every day) pales in comparison to the social damage caused by some people who part take in it.
Does binge drinking cause all the social ills we see of a saturday night? No.
Does it amplify bad behaviour amongst certain people. yes.
Do many people binge drink once a week cause no harm to society and continue to work extremely productive weeks with little to no socialising outside of their one release? Yes
Is binge drinking a symptom of problems in society rather than the cause? Yes.
"And, yes, teenagers ARE children"
No. No they are not. By very definition they are not. They may not be fully emancipated adults, and it varies from country to country but neither should it be said they are the same as actual children (around 5-12year olds) it's a ridiculous, patronising view of a fascinating portion of society, in a transition period.
"Grow up a little bit, and you will quickly come to understand that."
I suggest you should take your own medicine. Presume less about people and try not to insult them in a childish manner by calling them childish.
Irony is a harsh mistress. - apophenic, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2I hate Smirnoff and its rainbow of unappealing fruity shades and flavors.
- Fjosnisse, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2big man on the net with booze.
im angry and I dont even need the booze.
me > you ? - Bunglish, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1no, you are just a tard.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/29/2008, -0/+1"I suggest you should take your own medicine. Presume less about people and try not to insult them in a childish manner by calling them childish.
Irony is a harsh mistress."
Dito.
"I neither have to lie nor make myself feel better over my choices (which you have assumed to be poor.)"
I presumed nothing. I merely outlined a situation I have personally witnessed on more than one occasion and presented it as a hypothetical explanation for seeing the same ideas ("Binge drinking isn't alcoholism. What's the harm? Kids are old enough to make their own choices.") repeated here. I realize you believe the very suggestion is not only offensive but preposterous. What I find offensive is someone blathering these same misconceptions about that have lead to some close personal friends of mine wandering into self destructive patterns. When I tried to approach them about the situation they said all this same ***** so excuse me if that's a little bit personal.
"If a problem is a nice social life, friends and good times, then yes, I have a problem"
Hah! Please, as if I was really suggesting that a normally functioning social drinker in fact has a serious problem. My point here is that I know people who are HEAVY binge drinkers who are convinced they don't have a problem because "I don't drink every day or anything." Binging is a form a of abuse, and by definition is a PATTERN. If you can't understand why over-indulging in a drug of any kind on a regular basis is abuse then I'm sorry, but that is simply what "abuse" means.
"No. No they are not. By very definition they are not. They may not be fully emancipated adults, and it varies from country to country but neither should it be said they are the same as actual children (around 5-12year olds) it's a ridiculous, patronising view of a fascinating portion of society, in a transition period."
Yes. Yes they are. You can argue that they aren't "true" children in the sense that they have begun to come of age, but the fact remains that they are by in large irrational, hormone crazed loonys who don't understand what they want any more than what they need. Call it patronizing, but teenagers are often times more children then they are adults. Does that mean you should treat them the same as a 12 year old? Of course not, but to imply they are fully functioning adults who may be expected to make entirely responsible life decisions for themselves is an equally absurd suggestion, and in this case a potentially dangerous one. They are kids, and they don't know what the hell they are doing most of the time. Their choices and thought processes are driven by a confused mix of hormones and emotions. That's okay. Everyone goes through it, but I suggest you reflect in your own adolescence if you still doubt this.
"Does binge drinking cause all the social ills we see of a saturday night? No." I never suggested it did.
"Does it amplify bad behaviour amongst certain people. yes." Who would deny that?
"Do many people binge drink once a week cause no harm to society and continue to work extremely productive weeks with little to no socialising outside of their one release? Yes" Here's where you're wrong. Having a few drinks on the weekend is one thing. Binge drinking (getting destroyed and likely making poor choices) is something different. Again, I don't think you understand what "binge drinking" actually means. It's a pattern of excessiveness. Why do binge drinkers in your hypothetical study group not socialize outside of getting wasted? Why is the concern "harm to society" and "productive weeks" as opposed individual health and well being? I'm sorry, I'm not buying this spin that binge drinking is somehow a healthy, okay situation as long as you're keeping up at work.
"Is binge drinking a symptom of problems in society rather than the cause? Yes." Okay, now we're wondering into abstract social constructs for reasons I'm not certain of. The relationship between broader social challenges and alcohol abuse isn't really a part of this discussion. My only point was that you were underestimating the potential dangers of binge drinking, not that binge drinking is the end of the world and the cause of most crimes.
"My reasoning is neither twisted nor a negative reinforcement. It is merely a rational fact based approach to the topic of drinking. The health damage caused by binge drinking (binge drinkers often drink less than upper class folk who indulge to a lower extent but every day) pales in comparison to the social damage caused by some people who part take in it."
Au contraire, my good friend. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/07012 ...
So, granted that you are once again flagrantly wrong, let me make sure I'm following you here anyway. Bluntly stating that binge drinking isn't alcoholism and therefore will not come with any of the same health concerns (which in reality has no basis in fact) is what you call a "fact based approach" to the topic of drinking? I would also direct you here: http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/quickstats/binge_drinki ... Let me state this one again, binge drinking IS associated with the same sort of problems inherent in alcoholism. Again, let's remember what a binge is. I'm not talking about having a couple three beers on Friday night with the guys. We're talking about a pattern consuming upwards of a dozen drinks (though not necessarily that much) a night and for potentially multiple consecutive nights regularly (every weekend/thursday/etc.). That can be as damaging to your body as drinking less but more regularly, not to mention the greater risk of personal injury and social conflict that arises when someone is so heavily under the influence.
My original reply did nothing more than point out the simply fact that you are spreading dangerous misconceptions with this "Alcoholism != Binge drinking = not dangerous" business. I then pointed out where I had heard such flimsy logic before (people who I KNOW had drinking problems). So contrary to your claims of adhering to a "fact based approach" the reality of your arguments are quite the opposite. Is telling you to grow up a little bit when you are defending dangerous misconceptions that harm people, misconceptions that any truly rational adult would give serious and honest pause to, childish? I don't believe so, but I suppose that is rather subjective, and I likely hold some measure of self bias. I again suppose that, for me, your arguments, which seemed preoccupied with defending the respectability of adolescents even in the face of their commonly observed tendencies to make poor choices, rang a familiar note of youthful misguided fervency in me. If I was wrong and you are not a child, but merely an uneducated adult then you have my sincerest apologies for having held such a grave misgiving of your character.
It's enough to say that I was right to imply you were speaking from an uneducated perspective, and that such a perspective is tragically common. It is the source of much harm and pain both physically and emotionally to young people world wide and, more directly, to myself personally. So please, stop spreading these misconceptions. They do no good for anyone. - Bunglish, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1Well, considering I'm a genius, that excludes the second option. I guess I could be the first option because I like making posts to see the reactions.
- homescrubb, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1have some water when youre finished drinking and spread the detoxifying burden between your liver and 2 kidneys.
- matthekc, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1Okay someone clarify this for me 1-2 glasses of beer or wine is good. 5 litters a night is bad I got that part but what about all the places in the middle. How bad is 3-4 beers 3 nights a week for example? How bad is one hard weekend a month?
- inactive, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1thank you.
- homescrubb, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1what a buzz-kill...
- atomic811, on 11/23/2008, -2/+3I drank a 12 pack of beer on average everyday for about 10 years (I had issues) anyway doctors freaked out and ran all these liver tests and an ultrasound on me. It was all 100% normal. I don't drink anymore and haven't in a year. I am not saying there is no danger, but like everything else people get all hyped up and paranoid.
- heybigjohn, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1Coca cola may still give you liver disease. Only liver cells can detoxify the fructose in soft drinks and high fructose consumption has been linked to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.
At least when I drink alcohol, I get a buzz with my liver insult. - SharkyTech, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1Alcoholic drinks taste awful to me, advantageous adaptation? (Unfortunately any survival advantage is offset by being a massive nerd)
- d1ckinabox, on 11/23/2008, -2/+2totally agree with you and dugg you up
but in the interest of saving time,
next time use ≠... it's a bit easier - Fjosnisse, on 11/23/2008, -2/+2if you seriously think that all doctors, or even a majority, support that theory of addiction, you gotta be totally ***** nuts.
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http://www.hotsmusic.com/ - inactive, on 11/23/2008, -3/+3Had a doctor once schedule me for all sorts of blood and liver tests because I told her during a physical I like to go drink on the weekends.
Needless to say, I saved my $300 in tests and went to Fry's to buy a game or two. - inactive, on 11/23/2008, -0/+0I'm sure that warning children and teenagers of the dangers that lie 10 years ahead will bring an end to underaged drinking.
- ram333, on 11/28/2008, -0/+0Drinking is very bad for your liver.
- inactive, on 11/23/2008, -2/+1And what can be better than Smirnoff.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/23/2008, -3/+2Binge drinking is a form of alcohol abuse that can lead to alcoholism. Please stop spreading dangerous misinformation. Don't try and downplay the dangers of binge drinking. If you have to lie to yourself about it in order to feel better in regards to your own poor choices and behavior I think you might already have a problem, but don't spread your twisted reasoning that can only serve to reinforce the rationalization someone else affords their bad behavior.
And, yes, teenagers ARE children. Grow up a little bit, and you will quickly come to understand that. - MeatMountain, on 11/23/2008, -3/+1DON'T I KNOW IT!!!
***fans out 100 dollar bills**** - inactive, on 11/23/2008, -5/+2Damn right we do.
- qazws, on 11/23/2008, -4/+1Oh its just alcohol, I thought it would be about sodas. They mention the word "children" drink alcohol which is funny to believe. I wonder where they are getting alcohol from?
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