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- mnpilot, on 11/05/2009, -12/+59But Rich people get to keep their insurance, that's very important.
- Scottamus, on 11/06/2009, -1/+32Rules #1. Whatever healthcare plan we end up with, everyone in congress has to use it.
- sugarazor, on 11/06/2009, -13/+40Republicans doing nothing and passing it off as something new? I'm shocked!!
- Igrift, on 11/05/2009, -13/+31"CBO: Republican Health Insurance Reform Bill Insures Nobody "
Not ture, it does insure their (said Republicans) pockets are never empty. - Bartboy919, on 11/06/2009, -2/+20That democrats can win moderate republican congressional districts if they have good candidates and that bad candidates for governor will likely loose their races?
- ChuckDees, on 11/06/2009, -5/+20They didn't. Both elections for Congress that were available yesterday they lost.
They just won two Governorships. - bossm4n, on 11/06/2009, -14/+29Doubledown makes a very thoughtful, well-reasoned comment and you do nothing to dispute anything he said. You simply insult and personally attack him. Just pathetic. Judging by your comment, you have no clue what an HSA even is. An HSA is very much REAL health insurance. The insured makes a pre-tax deposit into a designated Health Savings Account on a regular basis, typically an amount is auto drafted out each pay period. This account can be used only for health related expenses, i.e., doctors visits, prescriptions, etc.
The trade off is that HSA's come with no coverage prior to the deductible being met, meaning all office visits, lab work, test, exams, etc. are all paid out of pockets, usually with a debit card for the Health Savings Account. The benefit for this is slightly reduced premiums. After the deductible is met, it's like any other major medical policy covering everything up to the limits of that policy, be it $1 million, $2 million, etc. So you're other comment regarding HSA's not covering catastrophic events is complete and utter *****.
Our healthcare system needs reforms, but not this 2000+ page ***** of a bill that will do more to line the pockets of big medicine and bankrupt this country than actually help people. - Thuban, on 11/06/2009, -6/+20The only way any meaningful reform will happen if if the politicians sweetheart health care is terminated and they are put in the same boat as us. Same goes for social security.
- bunit03057, on 11/06/2009, -2/+14What free market? You have NO idea what a free market is do you Street? Healthcare is not a freemarket, tech industry is close, consumer goods is damn close. Ever wonder why you can afford anything having to do with eye care without insurance? Well that's because it a relatively free market that no one feels entitled to.
And it's lose not loose. - fishbeef33, on 11/06/2009, -6/+18It's simple. This is America, where only those who can prove that they can succeed should have the right to good health care. If you're a stupid janitor at WalMart and you get sick, who the ***** cares if you die? I certainly don't want to help pay for your health care, I work hard for my money. Take your ***** "charity", i.e. socialism, and go to Canada. I'm in it for me and my own.
Unless you plan on having an abortion or if two guys want to get married. Then your business is MY ***** BUSINESS. That's the American way. - Doubledown, on 11/05/2009, -27/+37The private sector should make it affordable so that government should not provide healthcare. Why can I only buy insurance from a company that is in my state? Allow interstate trade for health insurance. Make HSA's more attractable. Encourage people to treat health insurance the right way, for catastrophic events that you cannot afford. Why should I pay over $2,000 a year in health insurance when I go to the doctor once a year and it would cost me all of $250-$300 for the visit? I'll pay out of pocket for my visits, I'll save my money for my high deductible insurance plan, and use the rest of my money as I see fit since I earned it. I don't understand why I should front the bill for your family's healthcare when we should be looking to protect personal responsibility and liberty.
- govsucks, on 11/06/2009, -6/+16WOW, I pay about 12,000 a year. I have Aetna, two kids, don't smoke, pretty healthy.
Let me guess, you live in a state that has lots of government mandates about what you MUST buy in your policy. - ChuckDees, on 11/06/2009, -5/+15I think if the GOP thinks government run health care is so bad.
Each GOP politician should give up their own government run health care.
If they really believe their rhetoric why are they being hypocrites and taking government health care?
The only person i can think of in Congress who didn't take government run health care based on principle. Is Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio a Democrat who said he will not take the health insurance until his constituents in Ohio get universal coverage. - bossm4n, on 11/06/2009, -5/+14@s73v3r - What do you mean the money goes away every year if you don't use it. It's a savings account, period. I initiated HSA plans at my company almost 3 years ago, and have one personally. I suggest you do a bit of reading about HSA's before you go around spouting off complete garbage.
Here's a direct passage from the wiki, "All deposits to an HSA become the property of the policyholder, regardless of the source of the deposit. Funds deposited but not withdrawn each year will carry over into the next year. If the policyholder ends their HSA-eligible insurance coverage, he or she loses eligibility to deposit further funds, but funds already in the HSA remain available for use."
And here's the page from the Treasury Department, http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/public-affairs/hsa/ ...
Frankly, an HSA is much more about what health insurance should be. It's asinine to pay into a plan, only to have every little office visit and band-aid submitted as a claim. HMO's destroyed health insurance. Just like most other forms of insurance, it should be there as a form of protection in case of a major event, just like home owners, auto, life, etc. It shouldn't be used every time you piss in a cup or get a splinter. This type of policy and mindset that has corrupted our health insurance and health care in this country. - Ghostalker, on 11/06/2009, -2/+11'Those who profit from the status quo are the enemies of reform.'
- Leonard Da Vinci - EricSchC1, on 11/06/2009, -3/+12"Socialism", as you know it, allowed you to drive on a paved road, in reasonably safe vehicle to consumer-safe retail store, buy your computer that was built to a minimum level of product quality, drive back home, plug it in, get on the internet with some degree of assurances that your privacy is protected & post that idiotic comment.
- rpgmakr, on 11/06/2009, -0/+9TPM it's a damn good source. Also, it was the CBO who said it. You know, the same CBO you were happy to quote when it said that Obama's health care plan (first draft) was over 900 billion dollars.
- 4321234, on 11/06/2009, -0/+8In Canada, you have to pay for your own breast enhancement or nose job. I seriously doubt any public health system pays for elective treatment or surgery unless they are considered preventitive.
- bacon_skoda, on 11/06/2009, -12/+20The Party of No is speaking, can you hear me now?
- MatzahMan, on 11/06/2009, -14/+22The republicans can GTFO now. Money is more important than people to them and for that, they deserve to eat *****.
- fishbeef33, on 11/06/2009, -0/+7Good 'ol Bill Kristol said on The Daily Show once that the average American doesn't deserve the great health care that the military gets. Honest to god. Which shows 2 things about Bill Kristol:
-he's an elitist who thinks that some lives are worth less than others, and...
-he thinks government-run health care can and DOES actually work.
That interview should be played ad nauseum on tv. - yibbutkeen, on 11/06/2009, -1/+7um no. They get a VERY nice little pension after 2 terms, effectively the same as their salary when in office, and the same colas after they leave office.
iirc they don't even pay social security taxes on their "wages"
and we could save social security/medicare just by applying those taxes to their campaign contributions /s - Quaestor44, on 11/06/2009, -2/+8you're exactly right doubledown. One of the main problems in our system now is that payment is out of the hands of the patient. Its up to a third-party (i.e. the insurer, or the taxpayer if using medicare/medicaid). Health providers are able to charge exorbitant prices without any real check on their value because consumers aren't in control of how much they're paying,thus distorting demand.
- WiseGuy1020, on 11/06/2009, -1/+6So? The two guys that just lost are "former governors."
- pintomp3, on 11/06/2009, -3/+8They should also end Medicare and the VA since they believe private insurance is so much better.
- Rantus, on 11/06/2009, -4/+9Well, what did everybody expect? This is like every other republican plan for solving real world problems: non-existent.
- sugarazor, on 11/06/2009, -0/+5Ah yes, the Republican plan: obstruct. Don't offer solutions, don't chip in to fix the problem, just make sure the Democrats can't do anything. Never mind that people keep dying from a lack of health care, never mind that we're the only modern nation on the planet without some kind of public option, just make sure you stop those Democrats!
- fishbeef33, on 11/06/2009, -1/+6See, there's this thing called sarcasm...oh never mind.
- Thistlejack, on 11/06/2009, -0/+5S73v3r,
An HSA is not the same thing as an FSA.
HSA money doesn't go away at the end of the year.
FSA money does.
An FSA is NOT a replacement for health insurance. It's for glasses, contacts, etc. as you mentioned. An HSA is intended to be a replacement for health insurance. It's for doctor's visits, medication, surgery, etc. - niradg, on 11/05/2009, -28/+33of course you don't understand. because you're the kind of idiot who forgoes insurance or who think HSAs are real insurance. Then you'll get in an accident or get cancer and the rest of us have to pay for it, but you don't because you never paid into the system because you're a cheapskate moron.
worst of all, you have the gall to lecture about "personal responsibility." Your sheer stupidity disgusts me. - Khast, on 11/06/2009, -5/+9Driving a car is optional. Besides there is so much competition for automotive insurance. (***** in some states, if you have $10,000 bonded, that is sufficient.) WORST drivers still pay less for 1 month of automotive insurance than 70% of Americans pay for 1 month of decent health insurance.... oh and automotive insurance companies won't deny you insurance if you have dents in your car.
Socialized food? At least you can shop around. There is a lot of competition for food prices, and it might be a couple mile drive out of your way, but there is always some place which sells something cheaper than the rest.
Health insurance? *****, I don't care if it becomes socialized...however I think that it should not be run as a business. ALL Americans should be eligible regardless of "existing conditions", and it shouldn't cost more than 1/3 of your monthly income. If you don't want socialization of healthcare, fine. I AM ALL FOR REGULATION OF HEALTH INSURANCE. A few countries have nearly the same system as we have, except the government had set the rules...and 100% of Sweden's citizens are covered, the cost to the people isn't more than they can handle....AND it is still profitable for the insurance companies. - bacon_skoda, on 11/06/2009, -1/+5nope. my library is super clean, high tech, and air conditioned.
i can queue up my books and video like netflix.
the programs are as good as the people that run it and the funds given to it. perhaps your city is in the toilet because people like you underfund it.
you can have one DMV for 700,000 people if you want and call it poor service. - Rantus, on 11/06/2009, -2/+6Hey, I can scrape a fresh turd off the sidewalk, put it in a nice little package and send it to you and you can tell me whether or not it's still a turd, ok?
And as for people can't have everything they want: No *****, but maybe we could at least help them not to die maybe. - 4321234, on 11/06/2009, -4/+8Seeing how pretty much every other democracy on earth except the usa has public health insurance, and the usa has the most expensive health system, how is it a huge stretch of the imagination?
- svtpete, on 11/06/2009, -0/+4I've been saying this since this stupid pissing match began. As soon as these hypocrites in Congress are willing to give up their golden plans (that we pay for and they have until they die) and partake of the same plan they are telling us will be great then I will be 110% behind it. Until then, I will stongly oppose whatever ***** plan they are trying to shove down our throats.
- ChuckDees, on 11/06/2009, -5/+9If the GOP think government run health care is bad.
Why don't they make the military have private insurance?
Oh wait W did cut the VA funding several times over the last eight years. - Inspiron08, on 11/06/2009, -2/+6Burried for flaming.
- Aadain, on 11/06/2009, -8/+11[citation needed]
- bunit03057, on 11/06/2009, -7/+10"What about giving poor people the freedom to see a doctor if they need to?"
They do have the freedom to.
Oh wait you got freedom and entitlement confused. - s73v3r, on 11/06/2009, -2/+5Which wiki? Every HSA/FSA that I've seen through my employer says that the money in them goes away after a year. That's usually why a lot of places like glasses stores will have sales at the end of the year, cause they know people have to use it up.
- Awesomebox5000, on 11/06/2009, -3/+6I really wish I could see the world through rose colored glasses as you do...
- netant, on 11/06/2009, -0/+3Actually, Mexico doesn't let you take a job in Mexico, unless you're a Mexican national, or can cut some sort of deal between the gov't and the multinational corporation.
Unless they've changed the standards, Canada lets you apply for citizenship if you have $30K in the bank, and have a job in Canada (and not a felon). (It seems Canada charges less for letting people into their country....) - ohreilly, on 11/06/2009, -0/+3Presumably us Brits have to put up with politicians at the bedside working out whether I am eligible or worthy enough to receive care? Does the Prime Minister intervene personally before I undergo an operation?
The NHS has a huge problem in providing dentistry (for which many, including me, have to go private). It is also a little slow and unwilling to pay for £hundreds/pill for new cancer drugs. But that doesn't mean it is a terrible system. It is far better than the US system and if you spoke to any person in the street you'd find that the opinion is much the opposite to what you claim. If any politician tried to do anything to it you'd find them very quickly out of their job. Not even Thatcher dared touch it.
The two times (one being rather substantial - I was born premature and had to spend 3 months in hospital. I wonder if my parents could afford it under the US regime, unless the insurance company hadn't dumped them yet) I received care quickly and I didn't die or get a disease or sat waiting in hospital for hours.
But what do I know? I'm only someone who lives in a country that you are talking about and has used the healthcare system you claim we hate. Have you lived here and experienced the NHS? - bossm4n, on 11/06/2009, -3/+6That has to be one of the dumbest comments ever on this subject. How can you possibly compare the platinum, uber-ridiculous heathcare that congressional officials receive to that which would be provided by this legislation? Providing "white glove" care, including an on-site doctor for a few hundred, can hardly be compared to covering hundreds of millions. As soon as our elected officials declare that they will do away with all their current healthcare perks and opt-in to the plan they propose, I'll support that legislation.
- Quaestor44, on 11/06/2009, -1/+4"Health Insurance" isn't "Health Care"
Just because the GOP plan doesn't insure any additional individuals doesn't mean its not reforming our system for the better. - Rantus, on 11/06/2009, -2/+5Thank you.
- bacon_skoda, on 11/06/2009, -1/+477% of the people in America would support an choice for you to buy insurance that puts your health ahead of profits without even knowing you. It's the responsibility of a society.
- tmonster1, on 11/06/2009, -1/+4wont work we live in a class based society
status in necessary for people to define themselves - novenator, on 11/07/2009, -0/+3govsucks, well, you do have a point in that I doubt this will actually be deficit neutral, although that is the goal. In my opinion, the Bush tax cuts for the rich need to be repealed, bringing the top tax rate for the top .5% of Americans back to 40%. This investment in our nation's health would more than pay for any potential shortfall, and actually generate savings in the long run (preventative care is FAR more cost efficient than late stage efforts).
gdnw, I don't believe any public transportation system anywhere in the world is actually self-sufficient. In Europe, their wonderful public transport systems are paid for in large part through gasoline taxes, which is a really good idea to increase car efficiency and help protect the environment that we all have to live in.
I would like to add that even our fully privatized airlines in the US are not self sufficient though. Ever heard of 'business class' fares? Tax write offs are direct corporate welfare to sustain private industry here. - uncleosbert, on 11/07/2009, -0/+3"Gee it would only take the top ten insurance companies, who had 8 billion in profits last year, 150 years to make that much in profits."
who cares? the whole point of government coverage is to run at cost, not to turn a profit. the industry you defend essentially eats sick people, inhaling their premiums and refusing to fund their care. that shouldn't be profitable, it ought to be a felony. -
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