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- shifty2, on 10/10/2007, -1/+37im 99% sure this is the case for all mammals. every nature show that i've seen w/ births of animals, the baby has to find a teet to get the vital anti-bodies from the mother's milk. most of the time its within minutes. now, im no expert, but i think humans are mammals and i think we do/should follow the same natural instincts.
- webcure, on 10/10/2007, -2/+33It is very important to begin breast feeding immediately after birth for those mothers who are able to nurse.
Mother-child bonding immediately after birth is also no less important in my opinion.
Be Healthy! - murty, on 10/10/2007, -1/+31"A surprising number of fathers were also present for the event."
I lol - in2deep, on 10/10/2007, -5/+33I'm all for breastfeeding. I think it is the best thing to do for your baby. My only concern is when really militant lactivists get so intense about it that they make women who can't breastfeed feel guilty. Because the one thing mothers need more of is another reason to feel guilty!
- othersomethings, on 10/10/2007, -6/+29You would think this is common knowledge. Because it IS basic instinct. But the facts are that in the majority of U.S. hospitals, babies are whisked away from their mothers immediately after birth, or mothers are discouraged from breastfeeding altogether. I'd be happy to provide statistics and cites, if anyone is interested. This is one of the many reasons I've chosen not to give birth in a hospital here in the U.S. Their practices are backwards and deplorable, and are often the CAUSE of complications rather than the "savior" of complications. Their services should be reserved for emergencies only. We would see a lower infant and lower mother mortality and morbidity rate.
- JFitzpatrick, on 10/10/2007, -3/+23I'm really pleased to see this hit the front page of Digg. It isn't something that the average Digg user might research or come across on there own and it is very important. It saddens me to think of all the money and time corporations have spent to convince women they are inadequate and cannot feed their own children has tens of thousands of generations of women have before them.
If you want to be -really- angry... research the boycott against the Nestle corporation for their horrible campiagn to distribute free formula in Africa. They give women just enough formula to dry up their milk supply and all these children are fed formula made with tainted local water and end up dying because of it. It's one of the more glaring example of corporate irresponsibility you'll find. - lordjeebus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14I have worked in many hospitals and never seen one where breastfeeding was discouraged unless it was medically contraindicated (eg. mother with HIV). I'd be interested in your statistics and citations.
- melissawm, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15Unless you're in the US, where you can be reprimanded for breastfeeding your child in a public place...
- ClOlD, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Because then you don't get to suck on some boobies. Way to ruin the kid's day.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -7/+18Ron Paul's breast milk cures aids and cancer. These women got nothing on him.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14I can't imagine why a woman wouldn't want to breastfeed her own offspring.
- LeonThePro, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Tell that to my son whose in-utero heartbeat dropped to 35 because the cord was wrapped around his neck. They were able to stabilize and a C section. And in our area (Nor Cal) you are berated to breastfeed - whether it works for you or not.
wack job - ae92, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Hey, as a normal heterosexual male I'm all for the sexualization of breasts but once you become a father and watch your wife nurse your child, it's like a bell goes off and you suddenly get what breasts are really for. I can't thank my wife enough for waking up all those nights for the first year and a half or so... I'd gladly go to an event like that to help get the message out and show support.
And yes, there are worse things to look at for an hour, true... :) - celerityfm, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7No, WTF are YOU smoking? As a first time mother, my wife was lactating BEFORE birth. Granted it wasn't as strong as it is now, but there was sustenance there for the baby. How about some American Academy of Pediatrics source material to back me up, here's a link to their official breastfeeding recommendations where they actually say to DELAY "weighing, measuring, bathing, needle-sticks, and eye prophylaxis until after the first feeding is completed" - they even say that WAITING to feed the baby can actually CAUSE MOST breast feeding problems - here:
http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;115/2/496 - "Healthy infants should be placed and remain in direct skin-to-skin contact with their mothers immediately after delivery until the first feeding is accomplished. The alert, healthy newborn infant is capable of latching on to a breast without specific assistance within the first hour after birth. Dry the infant, assign Apgar scores, and perform the initial physical assessment while the infant is with the mother. The mother is an optimal heat source for the infant. Delay weighing, measuring, bathing, needle-sticks, and eye prophylaxis until after the first feeding is completed."
The poor mothers in that Nest Baby forum are probably the victims of ignorant medical staff- their ignorance stems from when the formula industry took over the medical world after world war 2 and they managed to convince doctors that it was healthier then breastfeeding. Nestlé was one of the main culprits and their tactics have been compared to that of the tobacco industry- that was back when smoking was considered healthy too remember.
There is still alot of ignorance that is held over from those dark times and the consequences are serious, using infant formula increases the risk of several conditions including insulin dependent diabetes mellitus asthma, and eczema. It is well-established that non-breastfed infants suffer significantly more middle ear infections, respiratory, intestinal and other bacterial infections. An association with lower cognitive development has also been shown in several studies.
The sources for those claims are here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15037991&query_hl=1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=9233193&query_hl=4
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16087970&query_hl=10
Breastfeeding as soon as possible after birth is vitally important to both baby and mother, your comment is ignorant and dangerous to babies and mothers everywhere! Dugg down! - Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I'm most surprised that it's even discussed whether breastfeeding is the way to go for infants. It sure isn't a discussion taken here in Sweden nearly as much as in the US at least. Just another culture difference, I guess. Sure, there are medical exceptions when the mother can't, but as for when she can...
- sarae, on 10/10/2007, -5/+12A few of my friends weren't breastfed, or not for very long at least and they always seemed to slightly sickly and have allergies that no one else in there family had...
- anhedonia, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8My problem arises when mothers are looked down upon for not breastfeeding, regardless of their reason. My sister has a serious medical condition, and the medications that she needs to take to control that problem prohibit breastfeeding. It would be harmful to the baby if she nursed him.
Some other women treat her horribly when they see her bottle feeding, immediately beginning to lecture her on all the reasons she should be nursing, "breast is best", and expounding on all the ways she is hurting her son. They don't know what her reasoning is, they just presume they know better.
It just really gets to me. - Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8The bigger question is: how does people keep thinking there are only geeks and/or men on Digg when they keep being disproven? Sure, a large ratio is, but far from all, and far from enough to stop a story like this from reaching the front page. Digg stopped being a geek site a long time ago, if it ever was one.
- vaserv, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Breast really is best but its not a simple as people think to just get the baby to feed. Its not a case of from birth that they have to latch on. My wife is currently learning to breast feed our baby for the first time (who is just over two weeks old) and its a learning experience both sides. If we didn't also use bottle / forumla the baby would be starving. Ideally we want to do 100% breast and most women who give up breast feeding do regret it but its not as simple as it sounds
In other societies where the family life is much more extended that the traditional western way then breast feeding is easier as all the mothers and sisters group round to help.
Also most people don't realise is that milk doesn't come in to about day 3 or 4. The first few days the baby get small amounts of colostrum which is a very very high protein drink but very low levels. The baby survives off its body fat and can loose upto 10% of its birth weight in the first few weeks whilst things establish themselves - brad3378, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7was that really the Breast you could do?
- inblue, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I work in a U.S. hospital and am a registered nurse. never have i seen/heard that breastfeeding is discouraged. it is a known fact in medicine/hospitals nationwide that breastfeeding helps with babies immunity, etc. initially babies are "whisked" away from the mothers is to open airway and/or warm baby, then given right back to mother. we always give education and the mother is to watch videos on importance of breastfeeding and there is also a nurse specialized in educating the mother on breastfeeding (because a lot of times the baby doesn't take all the time and mother needs to be encouraged).
please provide these statistics and cites... because from what i know/learned/experienced, you are completely misinformed. - vidorian, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6i'm 33 and my son is now 14 so things may have changed since then. Growing up my mom was always a health nut so the thought of not breastfeeding didn't even enter my mind. When my son was born and they showed him to me they wouldn't even let me touch him until he was cleaned up etc it was at least 2 hours before i was allowed to breastfeed him.
But i think what amazed me the most was the reaction i received from friends. When i told them i was breastfeeding the most common response was ewww. This came from people close to my age but even some older. Most conveyed to me that they just didn't feel comfortable doing it with their own kids. Which just amazes me since it is the most natural thing a mother can do for her child.
We have guidelines for pregnant woman of how many visits to the dr what foods to eat or not to eat nothing mandatory but just recommendations. I would love to see doctors recommending woman to take at least one class on breastfeeding. An intro type course on the benefits to the baby as well as the mother (talk about a great way to drop those extra pounds) and for them to see it is normal and natural and not gross.
A lot of woman also believe since they work breastfeeding is out of the question. Nothing could be further from the truth. They have some great pumps available on the market today with refrigerated compartments so you can pump on your lunch hour and store it until you get home where it can be frozen and stored. - Nupeper, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I couldn't get past the randomly hy-phe-nat-ed words... :/
(that and I can't make babies so I don't care... ) - CatsAreGods, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5It's an automatic hyphenation problem.
- arcooke, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5With a name like webcure and a comment like you just made, I was expecting some sort of spam out of you. "Learn more at www. ....!"
- leathersleeves, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5ah a "tit" for tat
- csrster, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I'm told breastfeeding isn't as easy as it looks. I would guess that most first-time mothers take a lot longer than an hour to get things working - it was more than 24 hours in the case of our first.
- brad3378, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6nothing beats a little "hands-on" experience.
- Gizza, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The same person who spells "provided" as "pro- vided"
- TopBanana, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6610496&dopt=Citation
"For children ages 0-59 months, diarrhea morbidity rates would be reduced by 1-4% and mortality rates by 8-9%"
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/89/1/25
"CONCLUSIONS: Full breast-feeding was associated with the lowest illness rates. Minimal (less) breast-feeding was not protective. Breast-feeding conferred similar health benefits in all economic groups."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7564787&dopt=Citation
"We conclude that breastfeeding is prophylactic against atopic disease--including atopic eczema, food allergy, and respiratory allergy--throughout childhood and adolescence"
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/101/1/e9
"Results. Increasing duration of breastfeeding was associated with consistent and statistically significant increases in 1) intelligence quotient assessed at ages 8 and 9 years; 2) reading comprehension, mathematical ability, and scholastic ability assessed during the period from 10 to 13 years; 3) teacher ratings of reading and mathematics assessed at 8 and 12 years; and 4) higher levels of attainment in school leaving examinations. Children who were breastfed for 8 months had mean test scores that were between 0.35 and 0.59 SD units higher than children who were bottle-fed. " - arcooke, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The only perv here is you. Welcome to nature.
- MMHsmommy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I had my child by C Section. I would of loved to have breast fed within the first hour, but the nurses won't take the time to work with you to do this during surgery. It is possible, just have to have a wonderful nurse. Instead my child was given a bottle of formula due to a low blood sugar level. She would never latch on properly because of having the bottle first. Very disappointing when it could of been handled so much better.
- InfiniteNothing, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I'm so confused. Doesn't orally pleasuring oneself require heavy bending.
- SammyJr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Are you scheduling feedings or letting the kid nurse when he wants to? Breasts work on a demand/supply system. The more your kid nurses, the more milk is made.
- elmers, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9How does this story make it to the front page of digg?
- webcure, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I delivered a child at home myself and have lots of experience and knowledge about child raising.
Why send diggers to a www.... if I can say what I need to say in the comments?
Share your knowledge diggers.
Enjoy the user experience. - notque, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3We told them specifically not to give our daughter a bottle when they offered to take her away so we could get a nap after a long child birth. She comes back in with a bottle.
- matriculated, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yes. My wife just had to endure such a thing last week. The nurses made my wife feel so guilty she went into depression. We eventually just said ***** it and started using formula - I mean, what can you do if the breasts aren't producing enough milk no matter what long list of techniques you try? starve the baby?
- MMHsmommy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I had a C section and didn't get to see my child for over an hour. No complications, but it was change of shift. I am also an RN, but this kind of thing does happen. Especially when the nurses are only so-so. They also gave my child a bottle, this was due to low blood sugar so it was required that she get the nutrition, but they could of put the effort into it to do the finger feed or spoon feed. But no just what's easiest. My child would never latch on correctly. And even the lactation nurse said that her getting that bottle would affect this. So it wasn't discouraged, but it wasn't helped either.
- JFitzpatrick, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Absolutely no research? There are hundreds of studies documenting the health benefits of breast milk, the way anti-bodies are transfered, and how the mother's body acts as a filter for the toxins in the child's environment. My personal favorite study, in terms of interest at least, is one where they monitored the bacteria the child came in contact with (on the surface of the face/mouth and hands at least) and how quickly the mother's breast milk created anti-bodies for that particular bacteria. The "turn around" was under 24 hours from the time the mother came in contact with the bacteria on the child's body and when her body created the antibody to protect the child. Fascinating.
- arcooke, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4No, she didn't have a whackjob for a doctor. She wanted the baby to have natural milk.
- mommyjo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3When I had my daughter, I fully intended to breastfeed. After all, isn't that what mother's DO? As it turned out, I wasn't producing and she wasn't latching on (what was the point in latching on when nothing was coming out). She started to lose weight, a little too much for the hospital's liking. They sent me home with her anyway since I was doing so well, but also sent in a nurse everyday to check on our well-being and help with the nursing.
After fighting and getting depressed about being a "horrible" mother, I went to the formula. My daughter gained 7oz over night. Since then (she's 3), she has not once been sick (except for an occasional cold, or from teething), no ear infections, no health problems whatsoever.
I'm currently 4 weeks from delivering my next child. I would like to breastfeed, but I am not going to put myself and my child though hell if it doesn't work. And to hell with anyone who calls me a poor mother! - HUKI365, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4A woman of child rearing age and inclination on Digg? Say its not so?
- SammyJr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3My wife had a homebirth with our daughter, but there was no way we were doing it without a midwife. I consider unassisted childbirth to be an unexceptable level of risk both to the mother and baby. If things go bad, it helps to have an experienced professional there who can perform emergency procedures and provide medical advice.
- vidorian, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3My deepest apology then. I was assuming with an adoption there was no contact , didn't even occur to me that she was providing milk afterwards.
- LogicBomB, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Umm... it's a total advocacy article filled with fluff. What kind of ***** reporter says "it saves lives" and "must be done within the hour" and then provides absolutely no reason for it?
I'm sure it could be true but how about giving some scientific reasoning?!?! - vidorian, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Your ex must have had a wack job for a doctor. There is medication that can be given to stop the milk production. Also pumping only produces more milk.
That must have been very hard on her - TopBanana, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Here's the paper relate to the actual digg story:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/117/3/e380
"There was a marked dose response of increasing risk of neonatal mortality with increasing delay in initiation of breastfeeding from 1 hour to day 7" - jlebrech, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Breastfeeding is supposed to consume the excess fat in the mothers abdominal region. So just for a womens own vanity, breastfeeding is a viable solution.
- TopBanana, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Geeky men have kids too!
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