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- alastria, on 04/04/2008, -1/+12Numerous articles on CNN lately keep promoting this stupid idea linking autism and the MMR vaccine. Some commenters even call the MMR "poison".
I have nothing but sympathy for parents whose children have autism. But please, for the sake of everyone, including your children and everyone else's, VACCINATE THEM! Vaccinations are one of the greatest medical advances in human history, and to turn your back on them, simply because of unfounded, unscientific rumors is just ludicrous.
By not vaccinating your child, you expose them to life-threatening diseases such as cholera, measles, and rubella. And they're not only life-threatening to them, but to other children they come in contact with. Simply because you listened to rumor and innuendo, you could KILL your child AND have them be Patient Zero in a wide-spread epidemic. - BevansDesign, on 04/04/2008, -0/+9I know people frequently get dugg down for posting links, but I'm going to do it anyway. I strongly urge anyone who believes that vaccines cause autism to listen to the following podcast episode on the subject from Skeptoid. It's only a 10-minute segment, or you can read the transcript.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4055
It describes exactly why vaccines do NOT cause autism, why people keep saying that autism rates are rising (they're not; detection has gotten better, and the definition has been expanded to include more conditions), and so much more.
Of course, it would be foolish of me to suggest that you just take this guy's word for it. Do your own research too. - kl78229, on 04/04/2008, -0/+3The point of debate here is not whether there is a vaccine/autism link.
The point appears to me to be more related to the rights of a blogger to post what they believe freely and without recourse from the legal circus. All statements made in the original post can be validated by one method or another and the author is not just making wild claims. Now she has been drawn into a costly and time consuming legal issue.
Had the author made wild, speculative and baseless claims, I could see the cause for concern, however this is not the case here.
If she had made the same claim or statement at a party in front of a group of people, would she be in the same position? If she had written the statement in a letter to friends and family, would it be the same? The simple fact is that just because someone "blogs", they are not a member of the paid media and should not be expected to be held to the same standard. - inactive, on 04/05/2008, -0/+2Dude, for the love of everything holy please keep up with science. There is currently NO LINK between the two.
- inactive, on 04/05/2008, -0/+2I hate lawyers....
- ManyAsOne, on 04/05/2008, -0/+2If you're thinking of the same 'one particular case' that I think you are, it was actually "regressive encephalopathy with features of autism spectrum disorder"- translated from doctorspeak, brain injury whose results included, among other things, some autistic traits but not enough to qualify for an ASD diagnosis. They concluded that it did so because she already had a mitochondrial disorder that she had been born with and the vaccine triggered a metabolic crisis episode.
The thing is, though, for people with mitochondrial conditions, ANY major stress to the system, ranging from infections to bad drug reactions to just over-exerting themselves can cause the same reactions if they aren't careful. Vaccinations are actually strongly recommended for people with mito unless they're predisposed to bad vaccine reactions, because the potential dangers of catching infections are so much worse than for most people.
...and all of this is completely tangent to the subject of Mrs. Seidel getting subpoena'd. - graphictruth, on 04/08/2008, -0/+2Actually, she's being subpoenaed because she did some research (public records) and found out just how much money Shoemaker had been making bringing losing cases to court. He's probably quite genuinely concerned that he might be brought to dock for some sort of suit based on, oh, say, willful misrepresentation. The fact that he's incorporated a "research clinic" with two doctors big in the child clelation industry tends to give credence to the possibly that it's always been all about "fleecing the marks."
- gururise, on 04/11/2008, -0/+1This is not about whether vaccines cause autism or not, this is about a stupid ass lawyer who knowingly abuses the justice system to take this woman out because she is posting articles that are non-supportive of his clients case! Its all about greed, money and power. This is the same lawyer that has made untold millions filing junk lawsuits against big pharma companies. We can thank him and his like for the spiraling cost of health care in this country.
- gururise, on 04/11/2008, -0/+1The Lawyer in question is: Clifford J Shoemaker
See: http://www.lawyers.com/Virginia/Vienna/Clifford-J. ... - HeartSinger, on 04/09/2008, -0/+1The story about the subpoenae against Kathleen is not an "autism" story or a "mercury" story. It's a story about one blogger who happened to have some opinions that conflicted with the opinions of someone who has deep pockets and expensive lawyers. It's a story about free speech. It's a story about all bloggers everywhere and how any of us could be vulnerable to similarly burdensome supbpoenaes, not because we actually know anything that could be of use in court, but simply because we dare to have opinions. See http://www.paotie.com/2008/04/09/i-am-kathleen-a-f ... for another analysis.
- ManyAsOne, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1Even if she were a member of the paid media, the situation would still be an unethical one- she's not being sued for what she said, she's being subpoena'd just for TALKING about the lawsuit in question, even though there's no way that any of the information they're asking for could have any bearing on the validity of the parent's mercury-poisoning claims. Even if what she was saying was blatantly false and worthy of a libel suit, they wouldn't have grounds for that kind of subpoena. This is intimidation tactics, pure and simple.
- axinar, on 04/04/2008, -5/+1It sounds like in the one particular case though, the ACTIVE ingredients in the measles vaccine may very well have contributed to an autism case - the measles virus itself.
I think it deserves further research for sure.



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