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- Lederhosed, on 11/10/2009, -0/+10It's sad that this headline warranted a "meh, not a surprise"...
- joculator, on 11/10/2009, -0/+7Fines aren't going to deliver the message - when the person responsible for the decision allowing a knowingly harmful drug to enter the market is in jail, then the message will be delivered. Fines only defer responsibility to the shareholders.
- Kaegro, on 11/10/2009, -2/+9Instead of fining only a small percentage of the profits in illegal uses, they should fine for ALL the profits and a lot more. Make it sting real good so they'll stop killing people.
- dutchguilder2, on 11/10/2009, -0/+4Companies (ie: shareholders) shouldn't pay fines. The individuals inside the companies who do illegal things should be personally fined/jailed.
- Wosat, on 11/10/2009, -5/+9BIG Pharma... terrible.
BIG Oil... evil.
BIG Government... great? - akaz, on 11/10/2009, -3/+6Why don't criminals like these pay for heathcare? Or how about the corporations pimping the deadly food that induces so much illness? They market the worst garbage to little kids, with their obnoxious TV ads, cartoon characters, and florescent-colored packaging. They have no morals.
- DrDigg, on 11/10/2009, -0/+3So what happens is that medication patents are for a set period of time. Pharm companies can get their patent extended if they add an indication later on. So Pharm companies purposely hold on to indications so they can extend the patent later on. The flip side is that it is expensive to get a new indication, and frequently not worth the cost to the Pharm company.
That being said, some of the most well know benefits of certain meds are technically off label usage. The problem here is that they market the drugs for said usages. Very unethical and illegal to boot. - Kaegro, on 11/10/2009, -1/+3guilt with association?
- mrzack7, on 11/10/2009, -0/+2that's nothing. big pharma kills 100K Americans each year. so in 10 years we have 1 million Americans die unnatural early unnecessary deaths.
- Icupnimpn2, on 11/10/2009, -1/+3Off-label uses of drugs are NOT illegal. Any medical doctor would argue with you about taking away their ability to treat with their preferred agents. However, there are strict rules about marketing drugs for these purposes. In a number of cases, using certain drugs for off-label purposes is the standard of care and the right thing to do.
- mrtastycakes, on 11/11/2009, -0/+1Zyprexa just made me fat and lazy. Pfizer's Geodon landed me in the hospital with akathasia. I was sure I was dying. Prescribed for an "off-label" use, as my shrink did not believe in prescribing the first line treatment to any college student. It cost me thousands of dollars in medical bills, withdrawal from a semester of school, and several weeks of the worst chemical torture you can imagine. Beware of neuroleptic drugs and read your PI sheets carefully!
- glutamate, on 11/10/2009, -3/+4BIG Macs... delicious.
- glenneroo, on 11/10/2009, -2/+3My mom is a vic tim of big pharma B.S. Her doc prescribed her Effexol which has this insane list of withdrawal symptoms, to which (now) Pfizer claims is only apparent in 30% of patients, though another outside study says is more like 78%. Of the 70 symptoms she's had 62 so far and even after a month she is still having the withdrawal effects. The sad thing is, googling "effexol withdrawl symptoms" turns up THOUSANDS of cases online, all with the same story:
- my doc prescribed it to me for <insert favorite reason here, even in cases that had nothing to do with FDA-approved issues>
- my doc didn't mention any withdrawal symptoms / pharma didn't mention anything other than flu-like symptoms (my mom in particular said for weeks she felt like someone beat her with a baseball bat, i.e. hardly "flu-like symptoms")
- my doc doesn't believe any of these new symptoms are related to withdrawal
- my doc says i should just keep taking it (she was going for free because medical insurance ran out, which was also due to getting fired due to withdrawing and having insane symptoms - but apparently he was getting nice kickbacks from pharma to keep having her as a patient - what a nice guy!) - rrwest, on 11/11/2009, -0/+1My doc gets gifts and kickbacks from the drug reps in exchange for giving out more prescriptions than necessary.
- Tarkaan, on 11/10/2009, -1/+2Why don't people ***** get smart and make decisions for themselves?
- BabyWookie, on 11/10/2009, -0/+1Ideally, big government is supposed to be ran by people who want to serve and better the society. Ideally, big corporations are supposed to be ran by people who can make the most money for the shareholders.
- Kaegro, on 11/11/2009, -0/+1If off label drugs are useless and not workign or even damaging, the doctors you deal with and their preferred methods are ***** as hell. The article said that most doctors can;t tell the difference between off labe and not.
- palehorse864, on 11/10/2009, -2/+2For those uptight, I'm kidding around.
- palehorse864, on 11/10/2009, -2/+2I'm more interested in what Small Pharma is doing.
I don't come to Big Social Media to hear about this! - spambutcher, on 11/10/2009, -1/+1> "In five company-sponsored clinical trials, 31 people out of 1,184 participants died after taking the drug for dementia -- twice the death rate for those taking a placebo."
to clarify - this isn't saying 31 deaths were caused by the drug. assuming statistical validity that works out to roughly a 15 deaths / 1.5% increased risk of death. but what if the drug's highly effective against advanced dementia?
not saying they're off the hook - sounds like they're in pretty clear violation of the law - but this isn't as simple as drug companies killing people for fun and profit. - rrwest, on 11/11/2009, -0/+0Big pharma is pushing more powerful drugs onto people for things those drugs were not even meant to deal with.
One solution would be to stop the kickbacks and gifts that drug companies give to GPs and other doctors in exchange for prescriptions. Its come to the point where doctors can make bonuses for each new prescription filled through a sleazy series of "incentives" which pretty well amounts to bribes.
Another would be to educate people so well that drug companies would never be able to pull the wool over patients' eyes. - song0674, on 11/10/2009, -2/+0i agree. The sad thing is if it was $31million lost, there would be a criminal investigation.
- PhilMoskowitz, on 11/10/2009, -9/+6I wouldn't be applying to mensa any time soon.
- glutamate, on 11/10/2009, -5/+1I lol'd.
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