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- emt1451, on 06/23/2009, -4/+25Wow, a VA hospital that sucks. I'm shocked.
- silverchrysalis, on 06/22/2009, -1/+17terrifying
- GreatDrok, on 06/23/2009, -6/+20To all those claiming this is the result of socialised medicine you are living in a dream world if you think the US system is better. Healthcare should be a right, not something you have to buy and certainly not something that is paid for by for profit insurance companies. It is not in their interests to pay out so you will get stuffed.
When I have been ill both in the UK and now in NZ the treatment has been excellent. The last thing you want to be worrying about when you have a life threatening condition is who is going to get landed with the bill. No wonder life expectancy in the US is lower than nations with government run health care. - GhostInAShell, on 06/23/2009, -7/+17A potential problem of nationalized healthcare, for sure...there will need to be checks on this if the government ever does do something like this on a national scale.
Typically VA systems are beautifully run-my mother works at one-but as in all government systems, no price competition can lead to substandard oversight and quality of care in some areas. - joshmoney, on 06/23/2009, -4/+13If you know about it and have the means to do so.
- Howitzer86, on 06/22/2009, -8/+14Good grief. I'm not registering to the New York Times no matter how free their "Free Exclusive Online Access" is.
Here is another source. Sorry that it's MSNBC...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31470106/ns/health-the ... - algaeturd, on 06/23/2009, -1/+7People expect anything more from a VA hospital? Remember all those cheers and demands to 'support our troops!' during the Iraq war? It's kind of funny (but not in a comedic way) that everyone was waving the flag for the military but nobody apparently gives two ***** about how horrible and inefficient their health care is upon their return to the states.
Support our troops? How about organizing to demand better hospitals for those people you help to send overseas that ended up missing limbs or losing their minds?
Still supporting our troops, all ye who rooted the war on?
Where are you now? - barc0001, on 06/23/2009, -0/+6You're talking out your ass. I live in Canada and have a good friend who has cancer being treated by our system right now. Nothing even remotely as ***** up as that has happened. Nice FUD. Maybe you should move your investments out of health care, that way you wouldn't feel obligated to stand in the way of people trying to get better without going bankrupt.
- Pinkertinkle, on 06/23/2009, -2/+8This story is a bit one sided, I'd like to hear what the hospital has to say in defence. I do think NY Times did itself a disservice by putting those pictures of him in the article. What he looks like isn't as important as what he did.
- inactive, on 06/22/2009, -7/+12I'm sure glad that if I get cancer, I'll never get to see anyone at all regardless of success rate. A sure death from a treatable disease in the richest country in the world is better than a treatment by a physician and a relatively good chance at survival! ***** socialized medicine! I'd rather pay and pay and pay and pay and pay to receive only the care the money-minded management of my insurance company deems appropriate, or more likely never afford insurance in the first place, than have an option for a low-cost standard of health care still better than anywhere else in the world! I'll go down with the Republican Ship, I say! No matter how stubborn and irrational the GOP gets, I'll....*glug glug glug glug*.......
- contradictator, on 06/23/2009, -0/+5I was hoping this an article about "rogue doctors who treat patients who don't have insurance by day, and rob mobsters and criminals by night to fund their renegade surgical heroism".
That would've been way more awesome than this. - Pinkertinkle, on 06/23/2009, -0/+5that sounds kinda racist
- LamontSanders, on 06/23/2009, -3/+7if you knew what you were talking about, you probably would not have said that. most VA's are facilities that provide high standards of care.
- Alias1431, on 06/23/2009, -0/+4Well, that and McDonald's.
- Mathopolis, on 06/23/2009, -2/+6One doctor and one hospital are your reasons for a failure of socialized medicine. Pretty sure it tends to work around the world. Normally I don't insult people.
But your sir, are an idiot. - inactive, on 06/23/2009, -9/+11Welcome to government run healthcare. Enjoy.
- nvisible, on 06/23/2009, -1/+3Thanks for the link.
- Protonz, on 06/23/2009, -5/+7If someone is dying of thirst in the desert, do they have a right to water? If so, are you obligated to bring it to them?
- barc0001, on 06/23/2009, -1/+3Really. Please, enlighten us as to these "better" alternatives.
- sulthernao, on 06/23/2009, -2/+4I've actually heard mostly positive things about VA hospitals (other than accessibility).
- barc0001, on 06/23/2009, -1/+3Yeah, well. My Razertron 4000 that was given to us by the Greys works even better.
- LeepII, on 06/23/2009, -0/+1This is pretty typical of military health care. During my service I had to take my daughter to the ER twice when the military doctors mis-diagnosed her and she almost died. My son was mis-diagnosed and almost lost vision in one eye. I have personally undergone two surgical procedures without pain relief. Most of the doctors in the military system are ones that could not get a license to practice in any state, so the military gives them a commission and they get to "practice" on soldiers and their families.
- CylonsOfTheLamb, on 06/23/2009, -0/+1They still suck. Imagine having a fractured vertabrate and being told you need weekly physical therapy, yet they can only "squeeze" you in once every five or six weeks. Imagine that the closest medical facility to you was a 45 minute drive, but they decided to repurpose that location into a drug rehab clinic, so now you have to drive an additional 30 minutes to get to the new facility.
- roho76, on 06/25/2009, -0/+1Investments? Oh, that's classic. That was wiped out by that ponzi scheme we call government.
- Barackalypse, on 06/23/2009, -6/+7Did you expect the Government to be better at health care regulation than it is at any other form of regulation?
- CylonsOfTheLamb, on 06/23/2009, -0/+1"It can even push Foreign materials out of the body on its own."
Yes, we've all been able to poop since we were very little. Thank you professor obvious. - Pinkertinkle, on 06/23/2009, -0/+1I have no problem with them publishing a picture of him, but to use the ones they did smells of bias. Had they printed this one: http://www.med.upenn.edu/camb/faculty/cgc/kao.jpg people may not jump so quickly to damning conclusions.
- darkmagician777, on 06/23/2009, -0/+1people need to see who are these Dr.s who botch surgery. I would not want this Dr. Kao to transfer to another hospital and have a clean record.
More Dr.s Should be exposed. - inactive, on 06/23/2009, -2/+3The doctors at the VA are usually ok, it's the red tape and administration that suck ass.
- darkmagician777, on 06/23/2009, -0/+1yeah - there is nothing more compassionate then a doctor telling a bald vomiting patient on marijuana and chemo that they have been cured, You look like a ***** zombie and kids will be scared of you.
Go medical ! Not!! - CylonsOfTheLamb, on 06/23/2009, -0/+1I'm in agreement with ya on this one. They should force all of the congress critters and the white house staff to use the VA for medical care.
- sulthernao, on 06/23/2009, -0/+1That's kind of why we have anti-poverty programs.
Hate to break it to you, but we've been "communist" for years. - GreatDrok, on 06/23/2009, -1/+2Get hit by a bus in the US and have no health insurance and I don't care much for your chances. In the UK, they won't be checking the contents of the wallet before treating you.
Everyone pays. It isn't much and it works damn well. The doctors make a decent living and everyone can get treatment. The NHS even treats visitors from the US who have no insurance if they get injured and doesn't go chasing them across nations for the money.
To raise the 'communism' card is just ignorant. It is no more communism than having interstate freeways. A society is measured by how well it treats its most unfortunate citizens and in that respect the US is a mega fail. To expect volunteer organisations, charities or churches to protect the weakest members of society is simply pathetic. - CylonsOfTheLamb, on 06/23/2009, -0/+1burried for posting a piece of ***** link that requires registering with the New York Slimes just to read the article.
- MuadDave, on 06/23/2009, -0/+1You've heard of BugMeNot, right?
- mrgeekguy, on 06/23/2009, -2/+2After seeing the pic of Dr. Kao, I really thought this was an Onion story.
- PeppermintPig, on 06/23/2009, -2/+2It's not a straw man. It bears entirely on what you think a 'right' actually is.
- deema1, on 06/23/2009, -1/+1VA Hospital issues are nothing new. It has been a major problem for years now.
- blueboxed, on 06/23/2009, -3/+3This proves my point perfectly. I had experienced government ran healthcare when I was in the Marines and it was just as bad.
- crossmr, on 06/23/2009, -2/+2wtf I'm in korea and I've never had to login to a NYtimes article before..why now?
- Animan351, on 06/23/2009, -2/+1Hate reading something that looks like it's just one long page only to get to the bottom and discover there's three more after that to read.
- joshmoney, on 06/23/2009, -3/+2The question not only invoked a straw man, it also avoided using the phrase, the "right" to own themselves because presumably he knows that would only pit one "right" against another. I will concede that the word is more an abstract concept of wishful human thinking than a provable scientific fact. Then again, the desire for the right to own oneself is also wishful to the point that the right can be taken from you. So ultimately arguing over which rights are legitimate and which one's aren't isn't the point. Perhaps the question should not be what is a human right, but what is right for humans.
- Barackalypse, on 06/23/2009, -5/+3We'll just chalk your death up to evolution, because nobody that can read and write and use a computer like you obviously can has any excuse for not being able to afford catastrophic health care coverage for cases like this.
- RonPauls, on 06/23/2009, -5/+3joshmoney, why do you think that people don't own themselves?
- workfaster, on 06/23/2009, -3/+1Interesting. This story was submitted by badqat 28 hours ago, while my post to the exact same story with the exact same web address was posted 2 days ago... Why doesn't Digg catch this? (Glad it made the front page anyway...! Horrifying story.)
Proof: http://digg.com/health/At_V_A_Hospital_a_Rogue_Can ... - darkmagician777, on 06/23/2009, -3/+1You will have to get it from the rain forest retard. I know the name. I know that its banned in this country. I also know it works.
But if you prefer to be radioactively cooked doctors, by all means do it. The Cancer industry does not like cures. - deema1, on 06/23/2009, -4/+2How inspiring! Well I think it goes without saying that government-run success stories like this warrant full-scale government-run healthcare.
How about this? Have the government prove it can run one thing correctly before rolling it out to the rest of the country. I don't think there is a single progressive idea that has actually achieved its goal. - hpkuarg, on 06/23/2009, -3/+0Flippin'!
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