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- trolleyfan, on 11/20/2008, -20/+82I guess since your "vaccinations causes autism" *****'s been proved false, you had to come up with something new.
- Strman, on 11/21/2008, -11/+50Short answer: No.
- DermDoc, on 11/21/2008, -6/+35Are "Vaccines Kill!" pseudoscience articles hurting people? You bet. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,379388,00.html
Believe the hype -- win a Darwin Award! - sensor, on 11/21/2008, -3/+30Proven accurate by whom? In which peer reviewed paper?
- moothemagiccow, on 11/21/2008, -2/+28No, but the nonsense about dangerous vaccines is causing breakouts of measles and mumps.
- Roryking, on 11/21/2008, -2/+25I don't know why there's so much hate towards vaccines lately. The theory (as I recall from middle school science class) is sound - expose the immune system to a weakened version of whatever, and it'll learn how to kill it better. So what exactly is causing all the commotion?
- brstilson, on 11/21/2008, -2/+23Then why did autism rates continue to rise after thimerisol (the compound blamed for the autism) was removed from vaccines?
- MeatMountain, on 11/21/2008, -3/+23Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
- mrsark, on 11/21/2008, -2/+18oh come off it. in Japan they banned the MMR vaccine, and their autism rates went up. Not only that but the amish do vaccinate, so good try there too.
- enosp, on 11/21/2008, -1/+16while your unevidenced anecdote is told with great passion, I can safely say its 100% incorrect
http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=308 - larsvilhelmsen, on 11/21/2008, -5/+20I learned from this article, that adding a pinch of conspirational theory is the best way to demonstrate a lack of evidence for my position: "However, if the government is behind this study they will use statistical techniques that water down the results so that risk disappears, the favorite strategy employed when any drug or medicine has potential risks that would cause people not to take them." Lack of evidence = coverup!!!
Thank you, conspiracy theorists. - killdashnine, on 11/21/2008, -3/+15"Theory" = not yet proven. Vaccinations save countless lives and proactively counter the spread of diseases which are curable. The last thing we need is idiot pseudoscientists throwing a pandemic into the mix with all the economic turmoil!
- mickstephenson, on 11/21/2008, -6/+18Very few doctors, and the ones that do not believe in vaccines are due to anecdotal evidence, as a percentage these doctors are negligible, and are not even trained in the correct fields. And I doubt your seventeen years of research amounts to much more than reading various articles in newspapers and the odd journal you googled, written by a thoroughly discredited researcher.
- Altotus, on 11/21/2008, -1/+12The Amish aren't a terribly good example since they're a far less genetically diverse population. That aside, the rates of autism in vaccinated and unvaccinated people has been investigated on multiple occasions. That it's been shown repeatedly to be the same rate hasn't dissuaded the speculation that vaccines cause autism.
Since this article confuses clinical biomarkers for Alzheimer's with the cause, doesn't discuss the molecular etiology of the disease, and doesn't even mention tau protein (or even beta-amyloid plaques), it would seem that the author is largely unfamiliar with the disease. The author doesn't even postulate the immunological events in youth that cause the neurofibrillary tangles of AD.
Also, the author doesn't address several things: AD incidence is decreasing (per capita by age group; the total numbers are higher because people live longer and the average age is increasing), and AD still occurs in unvaccinated individuals with similar frequency. - mickstephenson, on 11/21/2008, -9/+20In other words CaptCarrot, idiot parents get all paranoid because they read some made up ***** in a woman's weekly magazine and think they know better than their doctor, and are the sole reason we haven't wiped out most of these diseases already, like we did with small pox nearly 40 years ago when people trusted doctors over magazines
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -1/+12The word "proven" doesnt mean what you seem to think it does.
- DoctorDiamond, on 11/21/2008, -3/+13Did they think to check the current Alzheimer's population's vaccination rates? Many old people who now suffer from Alzheimer's probably didn't have widespread access to many vaccines when they were growing up (the Depression). Did they check on this or employ any other scientific metrics? No, because this is *****. Please bury this off the front page.
- SammyJr, on 11/21/2008, -1/+11My wife used to frequent those natural type parenting boards where people insisted that their kid's autism was caused by vaccines. The parents go on to have more kids and don't vaccinate. The result? Even the kids who weren't vaccinated were autistic.
Want to blame something for your kids' autism? Blame your genes. - Sornos, on 11/21/2008, -5/+15Could you give me a hand with my tin foil hat? I want something durable to keep the MLB mind rays out of my head but tape never keeps the tin foil together. What do you recommend?
- GRANDPAMUNSTER, on 06/11/2009, -1/+10Actually vaccines do still contain mercury, the children's version is not supposed to.
- wiggles, on 11/21/2008, -3/+11you get more mercury in your system by eating Swordfish than you do from getting a jab for tetanus.
- Tristeus, on 11/21/2008, -2/+10Stop the propagation of pseudoscience. Bury this story. This is not the time to talk about the marketplace of ideas. This article does honestly discuss possible scientific controversies about vaccine. This article promote lies. While they have the right to promote what they want, we have the right and possibility to make them disappear from the front page. This ends now.
- aurispector, on 11/21/2008, -4/+12We should also remember that the morbidity and mortality rate associated with vaccination is less than that of the diseases they prevent. Alzheimer's will never be a problem if you die of diphtheria at age 4.
I really hate the morons that won't vaccinate their children because they believe them to be unsafe. The only reason they can get away with it is because the rest of us are vaccinated and the diseases are kept in check. - TheMachine1, on 11/21/2008, -2/+9Let see pre-vaccination technology people died relatively young before they had time to develop a neurodegenerative condition. Vaccines then gave you a few more decades of life(enough time for your brain to fall apart).
- Notasheeple, on 11/21/2008, -4/+11You idiots are just part of the bury brigade. The only opinion you all have is that of other digg users. Pathetic!
According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD, the world's leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual has had five consecutive flu shots his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had one, two or no shots.
Vivian Virginia Vetrano, D.C., hM.D., M.D., PH.D.
Medical Theory of Vaccination is Flawed
Medical theory holds that increased levels of antibodies against specific antigens by vaccination will prevent the development of a particular disease, such as influenza. On the other hand, Hygienists hold that our susceptibility to disease increases with the number of vaccinations. This includes the dreaded demon disease, cancer.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
During the manufacturing process, antibiotics (neomycin, polymyxin B and gentamicin) are added to eliminate stray bacteria found in the mixture. The final solution can contain the following additives in any combination: Triton X-100 (a detergent); polysorbate 80 (a potential carcinogen); gelatin; formaldehyde; and residual egg proteins. In addition, many of the influenza vaccines still contain thimerosal as a preservative. Thimerosal (mercury) is being investigated for its link to brain injury and autoimmune disease.
Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair of the Department of Chemistry at the University of Kentucky, Lexington has done extensive research in the area of mercury toxicity and the brain. Haley’s research has established a likely connection between mercury toxicity and Alzheimer’s disease. [viii] In a paper published in collaboration with researchers at University of Calgary, Haley stated that “seven of the characteristic markers that we look for to distinguish Alzheimer's disease can be produced in normal brain tissues, or cultures of neurons, by the addition of extremely low levels of mercury.”
Dr. James Howenstine
This important question does not appear to have ever been adequately studied. Vaccines are enormously profitable for drug companies and recent legislation in the U.S. has exempted lawsuits against pharmaceutical firms in the event of adverse reactions to vaccines which are very common. In 1975 Germany stopped requiring pertussis (whooping cough) vaccination. Today less than 10 % of German children are vaccinated against pertussis. The number of cases of pertussis has steadily decreased[3] even though far fewer children are receiving pertussis vaccine.
The incidence of Sudden Infant Death syndrome SIDS has grown from .55 per 1000 live births in 1953 to 12.8 per 1000 in 1992 in Olmstead County, Minnesota. The peak incidence for SIDS is age 2 to 4 months the exact time most vaccines are being given to children. 85 % of cases of SIDS occur in the first 6 months of infancy. The increase in SIDS as a percentage of total infant deaths has risen from 2.5 per 1000 in 1953 to 17.9 per 1000 in 1992. This rise in SIDS deaths has occurred during a period when nearly every childhood disease was declining due to improved sanitation and medical progress except SIDS. These deaths from SIDS did increase during a period when the number of vaccines given a child was steadily rising to 36 per child.
Dr. Mercola
I do not have an anti vaccine position but rather I’m pro vaccine safety. If vaccines are going to be used they simply MUST be used more wisely and cautiously so innocent infants are not sacrificed and killed.
You might not be aware that 6,000 infants die every year in the US alone from vaccines. As if this weren’t tragic enough the manufacturers have the system rigged by previously manipulating the government to provide complete and absolute protection from lawsuits.
They have ZERO responsibility for any harm, damage, or deaths they cause. The only resource in the US is for a parent to claim damages from the Vaccine Compensation Act, which is virtually impossible to collect on. But even with these rigid, nearly impossible restrictions, over $1.5 BILLION dollars has been paid out to families of children in the US that were injured or killed by vaccines. So if you are a parent, you simply MUST research this issue for yourself and refuse to blindly accept what your pediatrician or other health expert is claiming. There are MANY resources out there and one of the best places to start is the National Vaccine Information Center.
Do I need to go on? Let's what's in the flu shot.
* All are made using egg or chicken protein
* Influenza viruses (most! are inactivated)
* Neomycin, polymyxin, gentamycin - antibiotics
* Thimerosal [mercury] - a harmful preservative
* Betapropiolactone - a disinfectant
* Nonoxynol - used to kill or stop growth of STDs
* Octoxinol 9 - a vaginal spermicide
* Formaldehyde - embalming fluid used to kill viruses
* Polysorbate 80 - a potential carcinogen
* Triton X-100 - a detergent
Sign me up! - DCGUY12, on 11/21/2008, -3/+10Mercury has been proven not to cause any harm when given with vaccinations, in FACT we the U.S. stopped giving vaccinations with mercury in them (Themerasol) back in 2003 yet Autism rates have continued to increase, whether it's due to new labeling of the disease or better testing for it.
- mickstephenson, on 11/21/2008, -2/+9Yes it is your duty to protect him, from dying from measles, mumps, rubella, polio, meningitis. But if behavioural issues like autism scare you more than his death, or if you feel like your sense of guilt is less if you neglect to take action than if you take the wrong action then by all means put him at risk of death, after all its all about your own peace of mind and ability to sleep at night.
It's not my duty to convince you either, but if I can spread the seeds of doubt in your head and potentially save your son from an awful disease it's certainly worth giving it a shot for the sake of a couple of minutes writing a comment.
I'm just a kind hearted humanitarian really. - TheMachine1, on 11/21/2008, -0/+5My great aunt developed Alzheimer's and she was born in 1911.
- CaptCarrot, on 11/21/2008, -6/+11Just out of curiosity, what is the rate of autism occurrences among home schooled children and other groups who shun the vaccinations (like the Amish). Is it still 1 in 150?
- mage1129, on 11/21/2008, -3/+8Sorry I prefer my science to come from a scientist, not a clinical nutritionist. I am also sure that any website called natural news really isn't going to give an unbiased opinion of the matter.
- jbeers, on 11/21/2008, -2/+7While this entire topic is controversial & somewhat shady on both sides, isn't it always better to discuss & consider the things that we do to our bodies on a regular basis.
- Balanced, on 11/21/2008, -0/+5People don't want to trust the government. Unfortunately, this means that they don't want to trust them for bad (and likely unproven) reasons as well as the good reasons.
- kthoma22, on 11/21/2008, -3/+7Can we end this dam war on science already?
- michaelrsa, on 11/21/2008, -2/+6You can take my vaccines when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.
Also this reminds me of people who think they're doing their kids a favor by not giving them Ritalin or Concerta for their ADD. I have ADD and I will tell you that there are absolutely no side effects besides a slightly reduced appetite. - inactive, on 11/21/2008, -7/+11Because ignorant scared people are always distrustful of things they are to stupid to understand. Take a look at GE crops for a great example of more fear mongering lead by the idiots that know the least.
- mickstephenson, on 11/21/2008, -2/+6CaptCarrot, If your other son has autism, here is some words of advice in a sultry voice
It's not your fault, you don't need to find reasons why it happened, So don't blame yourself or "the man" or anybody.
Things happen you can't control. It is not your fault. - Echelon86, on 11/21/2008, -2/+6I think we've all been dumbed down by your comment
- SammyJr, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3I was talking with my kids' pediatrician about autism and apparently, researchers are coming pretty close to discovering genetic markers for autism. Once that's done, it'll be possible to confirm autism with a blood test and start early interventions.
- Notasheeple, on 11/21/2008, -4/+7Combined with fluoride, these people have no chance.
- drachemorder, on 11/21/2008, -2/+5If that happened I'd be inclined to dodge it simply by virtue of the fact that the government has no business at all mandating that I get a shot for my own health. I don't like tyranny. And of all tyrannies, one that is exercised for the supposed benefit of its citizens may be the worst.
- TheMachine1, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3People can have various side effects from stimulants but loss of appetite is among the most common. Dry mouth, insomnia, are other side effects I have had. If a drug works and you can live with the side effect then use it. And if you can live without it thats fine to.
- ParanoidArtemus, on 11/21/2008, -5/+8Buried for not having any scientific merit.
- josephbloseph, on 11/21/2008, -1/+4jonmlm: the article suggests that detractors to these crackpot theories should be discredited because the government and regulatory boards target crackpot theories like these to detract from.
- 938MeV, on 11/21/2008, -3/+6What's with all the stories from that quack site natural news recently?
- Notasheeple, on 11/21/2008, -1/+4Well said.
- Notasheeple, on 11/21/2008, -4/+7You are an idiot.
Now Questioning the chemicals one puts into their own body is considered conspiratorial and equated to 9/11? Wow, just wow.
You must be one of those know it all nationalists on Digg that I hear so much about.
Either that or yopur friends, moms', dogsitter told you that questioning vaccines is bad.
"Yeah 'merica we smart and do whatever doctor say, brrrrrrr. - fasda, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3What about the vulnerable sections of society like the very old the very young people with impaired immune systems all of whom cannot protect from even mild diseases like colds and flus
- apple4health, on 11/21/2008, -1/+4Obviously, some children can benefit from stimulants, but the majority of kids get label "ADD" when there is nothing wrong with them - they are just kids and they may be bored or have too much energy. I personally do not want to live in a world where mindless zombies are mistaken for our children.
- Notasheeple, on 11/21/2008, -3/+6You would get a gun in your face if you tried that with me. :)
- ParanoidArtemus, on 11/21/2008, -1/+4Please don't digg this thread. I agree with the vaccinations part but the whole Theory" = not yet proven thing is just plain ignorant.
Theory of relativity.
Gravitational theory.
CELL theory.
Ring any bells? -
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