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- pingpants, on 08/03/2009, -2/+58I know so many people who are only staying at their jobs because of healthcare -- and the plans aren't even that great.
- absolutelytrue, on 08/03/2009, -3/+56Definitely would be great not to be locked into a job for the health coverage anymore.
- 5starbabydotcom, on 08/03/2009, -7/+36Mobility,creativity,flexibility...good stuff will happen if this safety net really happens.
- MattM0914, on 08/03/2009, -0/+24That's probably why it's a little-discussed benefit.
- Lucas123, on 08/03/2009, -2/+26Kind of goes without saying that a company's healthcare plan is a huge motivator not only to accept a job but to stay where you are.
- ktk1336, on 08/03/2009, -3/+26Isn't this what corporations DON'T want?
- boomchockalocka, on 08/04/2009, -2/+24I want to start a company and can't because I need my health care, but I can't because of a "pre-existing" condition which has been completely gone for years.
- BeShirtHappy, on 08/03/2009, -2/+19Yep. I know many people who are working only for the health coverage.
- elijahyossie, on 08/03/2009, -1/+17"Heath care isn't expensive because of the private sector. High cost is still a symptom of government interference and professional lobbying organizations."
Then why does the UK have national health care, the same number of doctors per 1,000 people, and we pay slightly less than half as much for it all as you do in the USA? - emecks, on 08/03/2009, -6/+18Just get proper healthcare already, there are only benefits to be had by it :)
- DangerCollie, on 08/04/2009, -0/+12Same here. I know at least three people working crap jobs in coal mine office conditions because of insurance. One guy has five kids. He can't think about leaving because his family wouldn't have coverage. His wife doesn't work.
If we had national health insurance, we'd be a nation of entrepreneurs over night. - elijahyossie, on 08/04/2009, -2/+13Nope, we spend quite a lot on dental care. 50 year old stereotypes don't cut the mustard.....
- durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -0/+10
All systems ration care. The issue is *how* the care is rationed.
You're lying to yourself if you think the US doesn't have health care rationing. - deadasdisco, on 08/04/2009, -3/+13i'm assuming you have health care. i don't, and haven't had it for like 8 years. i have no idea what's wrong/right with me because i can't afford it. it would be nice to be able to. i don't care if it's doctor mario checking me out, at least i can get prescription medicine without paying for a 100 dollar doctor visit.
- farboo, on 08/04/2009, -0/+10Yes, to some extent. But it will reduce the number of people who go to the emergency room as a last resort, and if it leads to serious illnesses getting caught more quickly instead of becoming catastrophic, it could relieve pressure on some parts of the system.
- elijahyossie, on 08/03/2009, -5/+15It works pretty well in the UK - we spend half as much on health care as you do in the USA, we're all covered, and we live longer.
- durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -2/+12
You may want to start paying attention to the way the rest of the world works. It's enlightening. - tashtego67, on 08/04/2009, -0/+10I have often wondered if the lack of universal health care prevented many people from striking out on their own and starting companies, contracting, freelancing etc. I'll bet that if we ever get universal health care the economy will see a boom like we haven't seen in a generation.
- danj484, on 08/04/2009, -0/+9Assuming there are 300 million people living in the US (last estimate was around this mark), and 45M is a subset of this, then that's a 16% increase in wait time. Figure if you normally have to wait 15 minutes, with this you'd have to wait 17.4 minutes. Technically a longer wait, but not exactly like waiting for hours in a bread line.
- BoutDemCanes91, on 08/04/2009, -1/+10I don't understand why republicans are against this so much. All I hear from them is the fear they are trying to inflict on people, and how Obama is a commie yadda yadda. But what is the real negative aspect of this? People get health care, sounds good to me.
I mean, at least it's worth giving it a chance, right? - BossKey, on 08/04/2009, -1/+9Years from now, future civilizations will point and laugh at 20th/early 21st century America, where the health care you got wholly depended on the industry and job you had.
- Taiyoryu, on 08/04/2009, -0/+8Yes, because private health insurance companies tuck you in at night with cookies and a warm glass of milk to show how much they care.
- durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -2/+10France has the #1 rated health care system in the world, and they pay half the cost of us. Japan is #10, Norway #11, they both pay half too. They all have universal health care systems.
The US is #37, for twice the cost of those countries. - AmyVernon, on 08/03/2009, -4/+11Honestly, I don't know if government-run healthcare is the answer. But we definitely agree on one thing, and that's that the system's gotta change. The free market hasn't exactly worked well, either. However, if I had the answer, I'd prolly be really rich right now.
- durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -0/+7
You'd prefer a bunch of corrupt corporate bureaucrats? You can vote out corrupt politicians. - durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -0/+7
Don't worry, books are not nearly as scary as you've been lead to believe. You'll be fine. - N01SE, on 08/04/2009, -0/+6Hospitals use this funny thing for doctors' appointments called schedules, I know it's crazy. You actually make an appointment during a slot of time that is already unallocated, woah (I apologize for the condescension).
Emergency room wait times are based on the severity of the emergency.
So, the actual issue is when you call to make an appointment, how many days afterwords until then? Most of the time you wait about 3 days to a week depending. Whether or not this would be affected depends on a whole lot of variables (number of doctors, hospitals, appointments, length of time for appointment, etc.) It's not just a simple matter of more patients mean longer wait times. It's not common sense because the math is not as simple as you think. - durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -0/+6
Yes, actually, if you've ever read any Paul Farmer, he documents his experience as a doctor in various health systems across the world.
Pick up the book "Mountains Beyond Mountains" by Tracy Kidder, there's a whole chapter on Cuba.
http://www.amazon.com/Mountains-Beyond-Healing-Wor ... - durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -0/+6Yeah, and the Senate only has a 60% average retention rate. They're both still more democratic than corporations are.
No, it won't remove that freedom. Even countries like France and Sweden allow you to retain private insurance. Not many people do, though. Only about 3% in Sweden, actually. - farboo, on 08/04/2009, -0/+6Why is it unconstitutional?
- smemily, on 08/04/2009, -0/+6That's exactly it - you can't switch jobs if it means there will be any gap in coverage, because you will be uninsurable thereafter thanks to your preexisting condition.
- durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -0/+6
I trust Paul Farmer over someone with $10 for a domain name. Read the book, it's a good read about third world health care in general, specifically around treating MDR tuberculosis and HIV. - inactive, on 08/04/2009, -0/+6<300 of the pages are actual plan functions. The rest of the pages are tax adjustments, redirecting of funds, and other ways of financing the bill. Those pages that are the actual plan are typed double spaced, in a giant font, with monstrous margins. It's not exactly "The Brothers Karamazov." Have you bothered to read it? Now that the birthers have given up on that hopeless struggle, the tinfoil hat brigade has changed to the "read the bill" movement - blindly.
- RGB0099CC, on 08/04/2009, -0/+5Wow, way to completely lie. I just downloaded the bill and page 16 says nothing like that. Neither does 12,13,14,15,17,18, or 19. I'll read more over the next couple days to check it out more thoroughly.
Seriously though, ***** you and your ***** *****. You disagree with something? ***** make a legitimate argument or get the ***** out of the debate. I'm sorry (not to you, to anyone else who read this) for my language here, I'm just tired of people trying to prove their point through making ***** up. There are genuine concerns against this bill, and there are genuine reasons to support it. Don't waste my time pulling ***** out of your ass when there needs to be actual discourse on this issue. - buzaman, on 08/04/2009, -0/+5It's not a free market when the Insurance companies and Politicians are writing the regulations and controlling costs and entry into the market.
It gets exhausting having to continue to say we don't have a free market, not in banking and finance, not in agriculture, not in Health Care. Yet the ideology gets the bad wrap.
Our issue is with the Private-Public partnership we've had for 40 years. - FreddieD, on 08/04/2009, -1/+6I know there are tons of details to be ironed out on this, but my take on it is that so long as govt run health care is not so good that it causes an exodus from the private sector, it can only be a good thing. My #1 concern is the millions who have no health care at all in the US. The way I see it, it's a win-win... people who have no healthcare whatsoever would now have healthcare, and folks who have healthcare through their jobs continue to use their same private provider.
alan, regarding your neighbor in your example, is she on MassHealth because she has no other option? - Taiyoryu, on 08/04/2009, -0/+5not everyone goes to the doctor or falls ill at the same time.
increased demand means supply must increase to meet the demand, which leads to higher enrollment in med school - danj484, on 08/04/2009, -0/+5On digg a few days ago
http://thetoiletpaper.com/blog/2009/health-care-sp ... - fury420, on 08/04/2009, -0/+5thankfully you guys already pay +45% more than any other nation for your healthcare, which after reforms to bring down overhead & excessive profits leaves tons of money available for construction of new hospitals, clinics, etc... and the training & hiring of new medical professionals.
- waydee, on 08/04/2009, -0/+5That's already happening.
- inactive, on 08/04/2009, -0/+4I dont think corporate is any better at doing insurance as the govt ....and thats the problem ...how to solve it GOOD LUCK!!!!!
- RGB0099CC, on 08/04/2009, -0/+4so your response to BoutDemCanes91's question is more fear mongering?
I mean seriously, this is the summary of the question/answer you guys just had.
"Could someone name some actual disputes they have with this possible HC issue besides just trying to use fear tactics?"
"Sure, let me give it a shot. BOOGITY BOOGITY BOO!" - Taiyoryu, on 08/04/2009, -0/+4Keep in mind that the company benefits because they are no longer shouldering the burden of providing health care. Sounds like a win-win to me.
- RGB0099CC, on 08/04/2009, -0/+4because genitalben is against it. So it MUST be unconstitutional.
- fury420, on 08/04/2009, -0/+4The pages in question do not say what you claim, I assume you just read that copy & pasted chain email that says something to the effect of:
"Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal."
the part of the bill they are referencing is designed to grandfather in customers of existing private insurance companies, to protect those customers from having their provider change the terms, benefits, & conditions of the plan, or drive premiums & co-pay/deductibles up without just cause, or on only specific customers rather than changes to entire risk groups (not allowed to raise the rates/drop the benefits on one man's plan without making similar changes to the risk group he's in)
technically, this does mean that you CANNOT purchase the exact same plan that you can purchase today after this bill passes, but only because the government is forcing all private insurers to follow the new rules/guidelines for new customers they sign, and can only offer those plans via the National Insurance Exchange.
to put it simply, it will be illegal for a health insurance provider to ignore the new health care bill & rules/regulations and offer their old plans to new customers - durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -0/+3
I don't know where they got those pictures. What I do know is that I've read your website, now it's your turn to read my book. - N01SE, on 08/04/2009, -0/+3FYI: Cars-For-Clunkers worked better than they thought it would (much more so) and it was for a $3500 - $4500 voucher towards a new car. The auto industry is selling lots of new cars now, that's a good thing.
They gave out more vouchers than expected in the first four days, so they added another $2 billion in vouchers to support all the requests (the original plan called for $4 billion, but only allowed $1 billion at first), each one of those requests translates into a new car buy.
Consumer spending gets us out of recessions faster, the gov is simply trying to aid in our expenditures to help instill confidence back into the markets. - rlwasabi, on 08/04/2009, -0/+2That sounds plausible. A digg for you and a 1,000+ page document to read for me. :|
- danj484, on 08/04/2009, -2/+4"Maybe I just remember a time when real people built this country..." You're not nearly enough to have experienced that.
- jtcypher, on 08/04/2009, -0/+2i hate how much hope gets through on these comment pages but if someone tries to think about it in a practical sense it gets buried 8+ times. whatever, the liberals can have the comment boards, the conservatives can keep talk radio, and I'll keep reading worldly blogs. In todays government its not about whats best for the country its about always being right in their minds.
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