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- bmartin, on 01/29/2008, -24/+95This arouses feelings of animosity in me. If the American public is stupid enough to believe this ***** (and a lot of those people ARE), so be it. My kids are vaccinated because I'm not an idiot. Something similar happened in Britain a while ago. If you're stupid enough to discount decades of sound medical science, may Darwin show you no mercy.
"Erroneous reports in the United Kingdom linking the measles vaccine to autism prompted a decline in vaccination and the worst outbreak of measles in two decades."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22887760/ - vap0r, on 01/29/2008, -0/+38I think the producers of the show are trying to create a "controversy" in order to drum up an audience for their stupid show.
- jhbarr, on 01/29/2008, -3/+35Thimerasol has not been in vaccines since the 90's and autism rates have not declined. Those studies you discuss were not scientific; but every scientific study has found no link between vaccines and autism. Point to an actual study to refute this if you can.
- SammyJr, on 01/29/2008, -2/+32Update your propaganda. Thimerasol has been of of vaccines for almost 10 years now.
- Drkgodess, on 01/29/2008, -3/+28Believe what you want sir, but my kids aren't going to die of polio! k thx
- schnikies79, on 01/29/2008, -0/+24No, some of us know that elemental mercury and thimerasol aren't the same thing. Not chemically and not reactively. The body treats both completely different.
You have had table salt. Try eating some sodium or breathing some chlorine.
Yes, I do have a degree in this. It's kinda funny when the people that study this have no problem, but those who read blogs and such freak out. - chompsky, on 01/29/2008, -8/+28BAN DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE!! Research has shown that every autistic child has ingested that stuff loads of times! The truth is out there people! Open your eyes!
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html - Feanor, on 01/29/2008, -3/+22Buddy, I wanna see links to Scientific Journals, not links to the Editorial & Opinion section of a newspaper or to what RFK Jr thinks.
- SpikeyFreak, on 01/29/2008, -2/+18SleighBoy, it's people like you who cause outbreaks. I hope you never have children, or if you do, that they never come close to mine.
Everyone here doesn't understand one thing. "If they're that stupid, it's their problem." is WRONG WRONG WRONG. It's EVERYONE'S problem because them not being vaccinated allows the virus a chance to mutate into something that the vaccine doesn't work against. One child in a classroom not vaccinated can get everyone in the class, vaccinated or not, infected. This is how outbreaks with something like Measels, which most people WERE vaccinated against, can happen.
It sickens me. "112 children die each year in the US from the DPT vaccine." 112 out of roughly 4 million? Are those odds really what is giving people pause? Do those same people not drive with a child in the car? Give them baths in a bath tub? Let them go outside? - schnikies79, on 01/29/2008, -2/+17Really? You would be the first.
It couldn't have been anything else, you know? Too bad autism rates are the same for those who have had vaccinations and those who haven't.
So, in closing, I'm going to have to go and bury you for being full of *****. - axiomflash, on 01/29/2008, -10/+25You're really think it is fair to let children suffer because their parents are idiots? This kind of selfish arrogance is what's wrong with America. Disgusting.
- axiomflash, on 01/29/2008, -3/+16dude, are you ***** INSANE?!? where do you people get this *****?
do you have any idea how many people died of common disease before we had vaccines? i mean seriously, how can you justify your words? - roueche, on 01/29/2008, -5/+18When people fail to get their children vaccinated, it's not only their genes for stupidity that will suffer. When there's an outbreak of a disease that immunization could have prevented, infants too young to be immunized will likely die, as will some adults whose immunity has worn off, to name just two types of collateral damage. Failing to get your children immunized is a very selfish act, and all of society suffers.
- zydeco, on 01/29/2008, -0/+13Go ask someone that had Polio as a kid if they agree with you. If you don't get punched in the throat first, you might get a valuable history lesson.
- inactive, on 01/29/2008, -10/+22People are ***** stupid, there is no link between vaccines and autism. I recommend you subscribe to Skeptic Magazine. But I really don't want any show to be pulled, for any reason.
- Feanor, on 01/29/2008, -1/+12In 2004, after an investigation by The Sunday Times,[26] the interpretation section of the study, which identified a general association in time between the vaccine and autism, was formally retracted by ten of Wakefield's twelve coauthors.[27] The Centers for Disease Control,[28] the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences,[29] the UK National Health Service[30] and the Cochrane Library review[7] have all concluded that there is no evidence of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.
[Wikipedia], but also found elsewhere. - inactive, on 01/29/2008, -1/+12Thimerosol was removed from vaccines in 1999. Bu 2002 over 80% of vaccines no longer have any thimerosols.
It is 2008...so autism rates have yet to go down but in fact remained steady and continue to slowly go up. - br0ck, on 01/29/2008, -0/+11Those 'erroneous reports' that started the whole huge mess were later linked to a guy that was on the payroll of a group of parents that were trying to sue the drug companies. Ten of the authors retracted there findings in the aftermath. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
- belly917, on 01/29/2008, -1/+12Well I doubt it will go away... but, the disclaimer is the responsible thing to do. So hooray for ABC.
My wife is a pediatrician, who actually just attended a lecture on the subject last week. It's amazing how many parents she has to talk to about this, and even I have had discussions with co-workers about the misinformation they've heard concerning vaccinations and autism. Which all seemed to start with a flawed study in Great Brittian.
Most parents care about their kids, hence why parents freak out when they hear that a vaccination might cause autism.. The problem is that there's so much bad information out there. And having a show based on it, just panders to that incorrect information. It makes me question if the show's producers have an agenda. (hey, wait... now I'm the paranoid one!) - inactive, on 01/29/2008, -1/+12Thanks for using the examples of non-science medicines from the 18th and 19th century. We have moved on since that time you know?
BTW: Mercury did work against syphilis. It was the only treatment at the time and syphilis has since been cured by MODERN medicine. - prometheanspark, on 01/29/2008, -1/+12The benefits of immunization extend beyond the person immunized to the general population. Saying we should have the choice not to be immunized is similar to saying we should have the choice to drive 140mph in a school zone.
Or perhaps when your kid gets measles and gives it to your cousin's baby (before she's vaccinated), who then dies, you can explain why your freedom to choose was so important. - howitt, on 01/29/2008, -3/+13Yeah, thanks for that insightful comment devoid of any real science, studies, or facts to back it up with. F-ing moron, I pray you don't have kids and doom them to suffer because you are too ignorant to actually pick up a book, search Google, or do some actual research and find modern medicine refutes your incredibly empty-headed opinion. I don't normally flame, but too many people are putting kids in harms way because of a misguided/deluded fear of medicine and I can't spare tact when lives are at stake. Go back your herbs, holistic medicine, and crystals and watch kids die from diseases that never should have struck them in the first place.
- explnx, on 04/27/2009, -4/+14How the hell are immunizations not beneficial?!? Let me break it down for you:
Use vaccine: don't get sick
Don't use the vaccine: get sick
Get it? - SammyJr, on 01/29/2008, -1/+11It is ignorance because the bulk of the anti-vaccine stuff comes from alternative medicine books and blogs. Its not grounded in science or any sort of rational thought.
- SammyJr, on 01/29/2008, -0/+10Usually when my 1 year old is sick, the exploded diapers or snotty nose are big hints. Also, the general irritability is a big clue. Its called parenting!
I don't give my kids shots when they're sick, either. That's just common sense. - explnx, on 04/27/2009, -2/+11But those reports were ***** from the start, coming from the same camp as homeopathy. Those are not the type of people parents should listen to.
- merowe, on 01/29/2008, -0/+9Hmm.. I'm not sure where you exactly stand on this give your initial comment + reply.. PEDIATRICIANS recommend vaccines.. This is OK and good (I think we agree on this). We should educate the population to take them. However, I don't want the law to force people to give their child anything. This is up to the parents, no matter how stupid they air. Unfortunately, as I said, this will have an impact on me financially and possibly even economically if there are enough people like this..
The only thing I know I disagree with you about is the whole right-wingers comment.. I'm not sure how that comes into this (btw, I consider myself moderate-right)... People on the left tend to want a nanny culture, while right want smaller gov't.. Of course, that's not always true anymore... - inactive, on 01/29/2008, -1/+10Thimerosol and mercury is treated in the human body differently.
So again; why has autism rates not changes since thimerosol was removed?
Now that thimerosol has been removed from vaccines, I'm assuming you will recommend vaccinations now? - SammyJr, on 01/29/2008, -4/+13Actually, the anti-vaccine types have more in common with the other anti-science types AKA Republicans... if you want to get political.
- Drkgodess, on 01/29/2008, -1/+10We say that because a study was recently released stating that despite thimeserol being removed from vaccines many years ago, the number of reported cases of autism has increased! Autism is not in itself increasing, simply that it is being diagnosed more accurately now. Please do some research from credible (i.e. medical/scientific journals) before you make comments. k thx
- inactive, on 01/29/2008, -1/+10Thimerosol is in vaccines until 2003...yeah so? Did you have a point?
Why are the autism rates still steady and continuing to go up? - inactive, on 01/29/2008, -0/+9You have to right to not get your child vaccinated. You do not have the right to risk the health of other kids.
Adverse effects from vaccines? Do you know how rare these are? Do you know how absurdly expensive it would be to genetically screen all kids for very rare side effects? These risks are well known. I'm assuming you;re against aspirin, tylenol and motrin because of rare adverse effects as well?
The Autism-Vaccine Hypothesis has been consistent shown to be false by multiple studies. It is on you and your anti-vaccine folk to prove otherwise.It is NOT an autoimmune disorder, that is only one hypothesis. The most plausible one at the moment is that is a genetic disorder.
Your statement about "biased personal opinion" in medicine is a biased opinion in and by itself. Medicine publishes what it wants concerning medicine and health. The vast majority of studies including vaccine studies are well designed studies. Have you read them? Public Health is part of medicine and therefore politics play a role.
Your final statement is not only absurd but ridiculous. While we should decreased adverse reaction, vaccine save more lives tha you could possibly imagine. Antibiotics kill more kids than vaccines, why aren't you railing against that? - Rikkochet, on 01/29/2008, -1/+10Excuse me, buddy, this is Digg. Unless you were just making up your credentials you're going to have to go comment on sports stories or lolcats submissions only.
We can't just have any qualified Jimbo come waltzing in and pissing all over our baseless FUD. - inactive, on 01/29/2008, -0/+9"NOTHING you or Skeptic Magazine have to say will EVER convince me otherwise."
You are a fanatic.
As to your anecdotal claim, that is as relevant to discussion as me making up the story. Emotional manipulation has no place in a scientific discussion. - inactive, on 01/29/2008, -1/+10Keep it up. Linking to anti-vaccine sites without any scientific studies just show your agenda.
So how's autism rates going without thimerosol in childhood vaccines? So I'm assuming since thimerosol is no longer invaccines, you're fine with it?
Here is a Danish study:
"This study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism."
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/347/19/1 ...
Finland:
"Conclusions. We did not identify any association between MMR vaccination and encephalitis, aseptic meningitis, or autism."
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/ ...
"This eighth and final report of the Immunization Safety Review Committee examines the hypothesis that vaccines, specifically the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and thimerosal-containing vaccines, are causally associated with autism. The committee reviewed the extant published and unpublished epidemiological studies regarding causality and studies of potential biologic mechanisms by which these immunizations might cause autism.
The committee concludes that the body of epidemiological evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between the MMR vaccine and autism. The committee also concludes that the body of epidemiological evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism. The committee further finds that potential biological mechanisms for vaccine-induced autism that have been generated to date are theoretical only.
The committee does not recommend a policy review of the current schedule and recommendations for the administration of either the MMR vaccine or thimerosal-containing vaccines. The committee recommends a public health response that fully supports an array of vaccine safety activities.
In addition, the committee recommends that available funding for autism research be channeled to the most promising areas. The committee makes additional recommendations regarding surveillance and epidemiological research, clinical studies, and communication related to these vaccine safety concerns."
Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism, May 17, 2004
The multitude of reviews:http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/autism/aut ... - inactive, on 01/29/2008, -0/+9Pseudo-scientific fearmongering is an agenda. You don't need a monetary agenda.
Since there has not been any thimerosol in vaccine since 2003, why has autism rates not changed? So we won't see autism until the kids are over 5?
Love the article. Read it a few weeks ago. I love how it misuses valid scientific studies, twist data and conclusions and then throw in garbage, non-peer reviewed studies and make the claim that these studies are similar? The moment this stupid article makes the claim that kids who get vaccinations are less intelligent compared to unvaccinated kids without talking about the skew in education in the parents is when I consider the author an idiot.
You final statement is completely and utter garbage. It shows your anti-government agenda. Many of these studies were done by universities and are good studies. I have no reason to not trust these reports since it is consistent with all the data and reports against ONE single discredited study. I know how to read research studies. Have you actually read these studies? I've read many of them.
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/347/19/1 ...
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/ ...
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/autism/aut - schnikies79, on 01/29/2008, -1/+10I (personally) know some of the people that have worked on these studies that people such as yourself would like to toss out the window. I will take their word any day over some website supposedly linking thimerasol to autism, when there HAS been research to de-bunk said hypothesis. You don't toss a study out the window because it doesn't fit your view of the world.
Anyway, your comparison with methyl mercury and ethyl mercury is not correct. Ethyl mercury doesn't bioaccumlate, while methyl mercury (and dimethyl mercury) does, so you can't compare the two. The simple addition of CH2 to a molecule makes a world of difference in how the body treats it. It doesn't take much.
Example, I did research in college on a certain organic compound that had potential as a breast-cancer drug (way down the line from what I was doing). I was trying to force the synthesization process to produce mostly the (R)-enantiomer instead of a mixture of (R) and (S). The reason was that the (S)-enantiomer was toxic, while the (R)-enantiomer was the medicine. If you know anything about organic chem, you will know that those two molecules are mirror images of each other. Their chemical composition is exactly the same, they just have handedness. Yet one will kill you and the other help.
The point? Ethyl mercury (which is what thimerasol metabolizes into) is quickly expelled from the body, while methyl mercury hangs around. Dimethyl mercury will kill you in a matter of weeks, with even the smallest dosage. These molecules are somewhat similar, but the body treats them completly differently. - inactive, on 01/29/2008, -1/+9What garbage.
Thimerosol is ethyl mercury and the dose is way below any toxic dose. There is less mercury in a vaccine compared to eating fish for a week.
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosalqa.h ...
MERCURY POISONING is a very specific syndrome that is NOT autism. You are grasping.
Your final statement is garbage. Why should I distrust the multitude of studies from multiple countries and many done by universities compared to fearmongerers like you?
Why would we remove the one greatest creation that has decreased disease in human civilization in history? Polio and smallpox contradict all your claims.
But heck, Thimerosol is no longer in vaccines, so NOW you'll gladly support vaccination, right? - norman619, on 01/29/2008, -1/+9Last I checked mice aren't human. Mice have a different biochemistry than that of humans or other primates. Does it cause autism in primates? There had to have been human trials. What about in those?
- Vektuz, on 01/29/2008, -1/+9Giving people a choice is fine unless their choice impacts those around them. If they choose not to immunize they put themselves, their children and also those surrounding them at risk.
If it were a simple case of just screwing themselves, sure, give them a choice and who cares what they choose.
But since their choice impacts the wellbeing of everyone around them, their choice needs to have real concequences. If their child is not immunized, he should not be allowed to mix with populations of government funded schools - for the same reason - the parents of those other children should not have to bear the risk of YOUR child carrying and nuturing an otherwise immune disease. - inactive, on 01/29/2008, -1/+9Continuing to use this garbage article huh? Let me just critique a few of these so-called "studies"
Citation 1: This is garbage. it uses the IOM report that was analyzing those claims and does not support those claims.
Citation 2: We are talking about thimerosol NOT methyl mercury
Citation 3 and 4: News reports
Citation 5: A single isolated incident from 1 memo
Citation 6: Uh huh...He's criticizing a study in a citation?
Citation 7 and 8: Unable to verify these claims
Citation 9-11: MERTHIOLATE is NOT Thimersol.
I could go on but this paper is garbage.
Anyway since thimerosol has been removed from vaccines, I'm assuming you;re all for vaccinations nowadays? - Verchiel77, on 01/29/2008, -3/+11The pediatricians should be more concerned that they're working with parents who make medical decisions for their children based on something they saw on a network drama laced with hallucinatory George Michael musical numbers.
- schnikies79, on 01/29/2008, -2/+10Hear that sound?
That was a joke doing mach 8 right over your head. - inactive, on 01/29/2008, -4/+11You are a liar.
Did you know that mercury poisoning and autism are two completely different syndromes and are well known to scientists? You are a liar.
Thimerosol has been off childhood vaccines for nearly 10 years. You are a liar.
Thimerosol and mercury are very different chemically and is within the safety levels are per the FDA and EPA. You are a liar.
Thanks for the table since it shows NO more thimerosol in childhood vaccines. - norman619, on 01/29/2008, -1/+8Ah yes your attitude would help keep diseases which would otherwise be eradicated to flourish. Remember the horror of polio? Oh no of course not.
- schnikies79, on 01/29/2008, -2/+9Too little information? We had vaccines for 50 years now.
Anyway, you're not supposed to give them to sick children because your immune system is already taxed and it might not be as effective. It could also increase their sickness by taxing the immune system even further. - moracity, on 01/29/2008, -1/+8Actually, you're an idiot. Ethylmercury is NOT the same as mercury and it does NOT accumulate in the body. Thimerosol has not been used in childhood vaccines for 10 years and diagnoses of autism has increased.
It's more likely the heavily processed American diet that it contributing. We don''t even know yet if the real numbers of autism have actually ever increased. It's possible that it's always been here and was just un- or mis-diagnosed.
There are far more harmful substances in a single Happy Meal or a spoonful of Splenda than in all the vaccines a person will receive in a lifetime.
The reality is that the human population is full of more birth defects than people realize. Most likely, autism spectrum disorders are genetically predisposed conditions that happen to trigger around immunization age. It's also possible that certain environmental factors are a trigger. This doesn't mean we shouldn't eliminate potential suspects.
Don't go crying about conspiracies while you're shoving another chicken nugget down your kid's throat. People cried and thimerosol was removed. Find something new to blame. - inactive, on 01/29/2008, -1/+8I'm skeptical of your claim.
- inactive, on 01/29/2008, -0/+6@brjohnson:
No evidence to support your claim so you use the "sheeple" argument huh?I
thought you were an "expert" in vaccines? You DO know that vaccines are not and never 100% effective? How about you look up "Herd Immunity" as well?
@tjamnz:
You have no idea what you are talking about. The flu virus mutates no matter what. Vaccines prevent people from dying from the current strain of flu. - ThinkFr33ly, on 01/29/2008, -9/+15Wow, there are a lot of ignorant people on Digg, apparently. Here are some FACTS:
1.) Vaccines do NOT CAUSE AUTISM. Period. End of story.
2.) Vaccines are "forced" on people because the benefit of a vaccine extends FAR past the person taking it. Indeed, having a largely vaccinated populous infers the benefit on those people who don't take that vaccine.
3.) Conversely, having a largely vaccinated populous HURTS everybody, because now that virus can spread more easily through a population. In other words, your kids not being vaccinated can kill my Grandma... so ***** you. -
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