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- JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -7/+76Your tax dollars at work.
Just give it up already! You can't enforce a law the people don't want enforced. - kenthorvath, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44@surian: You can totally enforce unpopular laws, all it requires is the power to back it up.
Check out http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3653114296815352489&q=duration%3Along+penn+teller+drug (Penn and Teller's War on Drugs) to see how well enforcement is currently working. Drugs are cheaper, more pure, and easier to acquire than they were 30-40 years ago. - JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+45Watch your hard earned money disappear for no good reason...
http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm - milomilomilo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+43marijuana use nationwide in 1911 1.3%
marijuana use nationwide in 1937 1.6%
marijuana use nationwide in 2003 4.8%
boy, they sure are cracking down on us evil pot smokers. - anarchistuk, on 08/11/2009, -10/+43"Making Marijuana against the law is like saying God made a mistake." - Bill Hicks
- JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32Until it is legalized.
- Threnody, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27Like it or not, pot is a lifestyle for a lot of people. When your lifestyle is considered illegal, it's hard to consider it a minor issue.
And locking people up over a freaking plant is a pretty big issue, if you ask me. - Threnody, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25There's a big different between a junkie and a pothead, my friend. And for your information, there are lots of productive drug users out there. Lots of people party on the weekends and hold down a steady 9-5 gig during the week.
I think you've been watching too much Cops or something. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26But 100% of the plants erraticated *look* like marijuana.
- chewysweettarts, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30Doctors smoke it
Nurses smoke it
Judges smoke it
Even lawyer, too
So you've got to...
Legalize it
Don't criticize it
Legalize it Yea-ah Yea-ah
And I will advertise it. - diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24It is worse than the wasted enforcement dollars. How much of that "pot" was evidence that put someone in jail? I wonder if the prosecuters worry much whether or not it is feral. Especially, with the forfeiture laws today. They can take away farms, homes, etc.
Americans should get some nads and demand the War on Drugs be ended! - chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -12/+31marijuana use nationwide in 1969 98%
;) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22I'm suprised those numbers arent larger in 2003. But then again, most people I hang around are pot smokers so it seems like everyone does.
- UncommonSense, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22The majority of pot users though, are recreational, functioning users. And you are right, there ARE more important issues in the world, but the financial drain that the war on weed (as opposed to the war on drugs) has caused is counterproductive.
- pseudojd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22here in my town it's WAY past 4.8%.
- adriand, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17thats the point! ANY issue is more important than enforcing this law! it's is a waste of money and resources. im not a huge smoker, but at least I can tell when a law is worthwhile or not.
- inmatarian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14So what you're telling me is that 98% of the stuff the DEA disposes of isn't smokable, but could have been used in textiles?
- steveoco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Because it sounds mor realistic than 99%
- rolfeman02, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11 becuase 43.8% of all statistics are made up
- sremick, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Following your logic, the only cause worth devoting any energy to is only the single most important cause, because all other causes will have something "more important" that one should devote their time and energy to.
The truth of it is, there are all sorts of causes that need to be fought for simultaneously, across a whole spectrum of severities. While I agree there are more-important causes than pot-smoking, it is not practical to handle the issues/faults of the world one at a time, in order of decreasing severity.
And for the record: I don't smoke. Anything. Never have, never will. But I think current drug laws are absolutely idiotic. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@MaceX:
The polling numbers were used as rolling papers... - tropican8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Its a shame, especially because these are the last samples of native U.S. hemp in existence, something we have a perfect climate to cultivate. Hemp, unlike cannabis, only has about .1%-.2% THC on average, making it pretty much useless as a hallucinogen. However, it is probably one of the most versatile processed materials on the planet, as it can be finer than silk or tougher than the toughest nylon rope cord. Also when rotated alongside normal U.S. crops it makes the ground up to 30% more fertile. Economists predict that allowing hemp to be grown in the U.S. could double our agriculture industry.
- TheKillDoctor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Not many posts make me think WTF?!
But this one takes the cake.
It's no different than going to any other comment thread and stating how that problem is unimportant compared to "fill in the blank". It's just like a person in a crowd that always interrupts a group conversation because it's not a subject they want to talk on. It's rude and reminds me of a spoiled child.
Oh and pointing out the red button just adds to the immaturity level. - JTMON, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11they might as well smoke it themselves..they already act high anyways. Please keep eradicating the feral hemp, it has no place amongst the hydro.
- ikkybeer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@scinortele
"What bugs me is that people consider this lifestyle issue more important than civil rights issues, foreign policy issues, health care issues, etc. And medicinal marijuana is *not* a health care issue, there are plenty of legal medicines that can take its place."
If I might clear up something for you. This is a civil rights issue. Your solutions seem to be to "do something" for the worlds problems, but you easily forget that these solutions almost always use violence. Do you want to compare the importance of violating ones freedom for a crime with no victim, to caring(?) about world problems when your only real input to these world problems is the tax dollars you contribute to exacerbate those very problems?
When you say legal medicines are an alternative to pot, might they also be as inexpensive? Could the problems and the exorbitant expenses in the health care industry be related to you caring so much about the little people that all of us need to be violently prevented from seeking care outside the legal health care system?
Put that in your bowl and smoke on it for awhile. - xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10What's so surprising is the schism between law makers and the real people in the USA.
- KudZoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@rolfeman:
Actually, in many states it is treated as a Schedule I, and ALL federal cases classify it as Schedule I.
See: http://www.dea.gov/pubs/scheduling.html - elShaggy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"this isnt a war on drugs, its a war on your personal rights"
"heres another statisic for you, cigarettes kill more people than herion, cocaine, and meth times one hundred. LEGAL. Pot has killed no one, and to put it in a time frame; ever. Hmm, no one ever. We need to make that illegal." a little more of the late, great Bill Hicks for you.
And we cant use hemp for textiles and paper, what would happen to the cotton industry and paper mills? The cotton industry cant take another hit after they lost thier slave labor. And I can assure you these bussinessmen LOVE cutting down thousands upon thousands of trees that take up to a century to regenerate. Hemp would fix TOO many problems, we gotta keep that ***** illegal. /rollseyes - bloqmon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5An original Wailer, of the Bob Marley and the Wailers fame.
- rolfeman02, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6What?
- jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It's the person that originally wrote the song.
- nepawoods, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8'You can tell me thousands of times that there are "so many productive junkies out there" but until they put on hold their advocacy for pot and start caring about something else...that's actually important...I don't want to hear it.'
People who smoke pot ("junkies") do care about other things - they do contribute to society as much as anyone else - that's part of being "productive". How many thousands of decent citizens who have done no moral wrong are in prison for this? It's important. The worst thing is giving up, saying we can't solve drug problems through education, we need government and men with guns to protect us from ourselves. - Bob_Oliver, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The gov't will never stop the war on drugs. Its a business for them, not a war.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5they arent saying peopel are being busted for hemp, they are saying a majority fo the plants destroyed were hemp.. and it is true, it is a wild weed that still have a toehold in theis country from our hemp history, they go into national parks all the time and eradicate hemp. I have seen it growing on the side of railroad tracks in kentucky.
Noone is getting busted for this but the dea still destroys more hemp than cannabis plants.. - BarmyNick, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Ahhh the famous lyrics of 'Peter Tosh'.
Now that takes me back. :) - nepawoods, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This could be a good thing. Think of what it would do to the cannabis gene pool to have the DEA eradicating all the low-potency stuff, while closet growers select for more potent and hardy strains unabated.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4As australia just found out 38% of our workforce are under some sort of drug / alcohol infuleunce at work. Surprised at first until they realized that most of them simply buy the drugs therefore need a steady job to pay for them.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3gee thats piss weak, Australias most recent survey showed that ~25% of australians go to work stoned.
- rolfeman02, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I stand corrected
- bntphoretwunny, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6further proof that our government is *****...but god bless the stupid bastards
- diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I know the article does not say so, but why then are there no hemp farmers. They fear prosecution, so I have to assume that, if the DEA found hemp on my property I would lose my home, feral or not.
See this, it is a good article
http://www.lightparty.com/Economic/TimeToLegalizeHemp.html - GlargTheKelfn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2in other news, 90% of pot smokers lie on gov forms because they are paranoid.
- hexdoll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"God also made stones, but does God want you to throw stones at people?"
Yes
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2021:18-21&version=9;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:13-21;&version=9; - blankman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4they do it on purpose so that they can pocket 98% of the stuff for themselves.
- jguy584, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm sure the numbers are much higher then that....considering that marijuana is indeed very illegal, most people are very reluctant to admit to smoking it. I know that in my area the usage is A LOT higher then 5%
- tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ rolfeman
Every state could legalize 2 tons of marijuana and it wouldn't do a world of difference (OK, it would if many states actually started legalizing it, but that's not the point)! It's still outlawed federally and treated as a scheduleI or class I drug or whatever. The feds say they have more power than the states. And ppl wonder why small government is important.
@ buckynekkid
Some ppl wanted it outlawed obviously; the temperance movement comes to mind; just like some ppl (a much greater ercentage than temperance) want marijuana outlawed now. - buckynekkid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"You can't enforce a law the people don't want enforced."
This is absolutely true. Surian seems to disagree, but he either slept that day in history class or forgot about something called alcohol prohibition. Nobody wanted alcohol to be illegal, so they drank even though it was. In time the laws were changed. I doubt the same thing will happen with marijuana. It's the same with speed limits. Almost everyone goes faster than the interstate speed limit. Sometimes it is just obviously too slow, and if you try to go the limit, people will honk/zoom around you. A small percentage of the people that speed get caught, the same with drinking during prohibition, and the same with smoking marijuana. The moral is: "You can't enforce a law the people don't want enforced." - AnotherBrian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Here's a question. Why is hemp illegal? You can't get high from smoking it so what's the problem? It LOOKS like marijuana? I'd like to think they aren't THAT retarded. You might as well make pictures of it illegal because they look look like marijuana too.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4FYI pot isnt a Hallucinogen, considered a psychedelic yes ;)
- Giggy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@soupnrc
"God also made stones, but does God want you to throw stones at people?"
According to Leviticus yes, but hey it's up to you on how you want to interpret that.
"God also made venomous spiders and poisonous mushrooms but nobody is eating them."
I think most scientists would consider psilocybin mushrooms to be poison yet many people eat them. You have me on the spider comment though.
"this is my OPINION.. take it for what it's worth"
It's my opinion that Jesus probably toked up from time to time. I have no facts to back this up, but considering the region and culture He lived in why not make this assumption. So if it's good for Jesus it's good for me. ;) -
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