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- holymusic55, on 10/11/2007, -22/+494Los Angeles.
Where Paris Hilton and the wealthy get special treatment and the poor die in a hospital emergency room for lack of ANY treatment. - Verchiel77, on 10/11/2007, -19/+252While a perfectly awful situation, this isn't the operator's fault, it's the hospital's.
EMS is stretched thinly enough as it is, there simply aren't enough personnel to dispatch units to people already in emergency rooms. - weezerjoker2, on 10/11/2007, -12/+184"No, negative ma'am. You're the one"
Yeah, we'll see about that now won't we... - garycompugeek, on 10/11/2007, -11/+127This is F*cked up on about 10 different levels. They should fire and/or arrest everyone involved.
- HenvY, on 10/11/2007, -25/+136Michael Moore's Sicko looks ever more overdue.
- Gonz037, on 10/11/2007, -16/+125@liberalplacebo, Because health care is so cheap that the only people that can't afford it are stupid people with no job? You sir sound like the dimwit.
- toast1226, on 10/11/2007, -5/+99In situations like these suing is justifiable in so many ways. But that doesn't mean justice will be served unfortunately.
- hbweb500, on 10/11/2007, -6/+78This is disgusting. Its terrible to see such inhumane treatment from the people I'd *like* to be able to trust.
This is completely the hospital's fault. The operator sure was being a dick, but if you were an operator would you tend to side with the medical professional or the hysterical boyfriend when it came down to whether or not the case was an emergency? - bardamuclichy, on 10/11/2007, -15/+73Yes, because it was certainly reasonable that the woman should die and not receive treatment because of some vague ordinance.
Asshat.
Did you also read how she was being arrested and taken away by the police while she died? Sounds to me maybe thats the reason you were looking for. Sounds reasonable to me!
Seriously, you are a chode. - Rossoneri22, on 10/11/2007, -6/+60I thought there was some sort of "oath" these people had to take stating that it is their duty to help those who are in need of assistance. A woman coughing up blood seems pretty needy to me...
I hope these people get their lives ruined. - mozillauser, on 10/11/2007, -2/+56It may not be easy to sort out who is just seeking pain meds or not, but come on, when they call 911 from your waiting room?!?!?
As an aside, how often can you find "May God strike you too for acting the way you just acted" in the news without it being hyperbole? - SenorCardgage74, on 10/11/2007, -20/+72I grow tired of attempted reasoned debate with these *****.
Screw it.
Lets all go over to liberplacebo's place and beat the ever-loving ***** out of him. - pronouncable, on 10/11/2007, -3/+45@joshua5
Too bad they did, eh? 911 wasn't helping because she was already at the hospital and they're INVESTIGATING why the hospital didn't do anything. - venicerocco, on 10/11/2007, -33/+67Hey - Don't take a swipe at L.A. This is an American problem. Could have happened anywhere.
- AriaStar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+37If it's an emergency, ALWAYS call 911 rather than go in. I was in the waiting room with ruptured internal organs bloating my stomach and abdomen screaming from pain when I could breath with my nurse-mom (not employed by that hospital) was trying to get them to help me instead of taking a guy back with a sprained ankle he was still walking on. When I was FINALLY seen, I was rushed into emergency surgery. My now-ex-fiancé was a mile away and didn't have time to get there. Six weeks later I was out of the coma, but it was four years before the medical nightmare ended. A sliced-up, scarred stomach are a permanent reminder. Ironically, it was the same ***** thing. My small intestine was perforated (lacking a large already, this is even more serious).
God damn, intestinal acids HURT seeping onto the outsides or organs.
You're not going to get help in an ER on time unless it's minor. They consider the REAL emergencies to be the ones in ambulances. Why else would you have driven or been driven by a friend/relative is their mindset. They don't think that it's because 911 often puts you on hold and then it takes time for the ambulance to arrive before leaving. You get there quicker being driven by someone else. But you see a doctor in less time overall by calling an ambulance. I bet my life on it. - johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+33Error: I think your name is accurate.
What we know for certain:
1. She was in the hospital for 45 minutes.
2. There were two calls to 9-1-1, and in the transcripts of the 2nd call, the woman calling is told that all she can do is call the cops.
3. She died on the way to the police headquarters.
Now, based on that alone, I think we can deduce quite a bit. She's dead. She was at a hospital before the cops picked her up. Unless she stabbed herself in the police car, I think we can rule that something pretty ***** bad happened - and she was the victim, and it certainly smells like the hospital and police hindered more than help. - Cam_86, on 10/11/2007, -14/+47I find the outrage about this story and the rallying behind Ron Paul in other stories interesting... Just seems kinda ironic that people are actively digging up comments that express outraged about this situation, and then going into Ron Paul stories and actively burring comments that are essentially the same. I mean this is a clear cut example of why the current system does not work because a lack of compassion AND incompetence on the part of private corporations.
I'll prob. get buried for pointing out this blatant connection, but hopefully enough people see it to call into question the mob of fanboys who rally behind this guy, and maybe put a stop to it. - KibibyteBrain, on 10/11/2007, -4/+30Part of the problem is a major shortage of ER doctors. And its not hard to see why. Its just as hard to be an ER doctor, pays just about as much as most jobs for doctors, but really sucks. Its very stressful, you deal with simply horrifying things, and the hours can get nuts. If you went to college for 10 years, you'd hardly want to be stuck in such a job. What to do about the problem? Well, its clear we need emergency treatment professionals that lie between a doctor and nurse so that people with routine emergencies like broken bones can be handled efficiently. But this is a major problem for healthcare in general with no easy fix other than just cranking more MDs out of schools somehow to fill in the gaps.(which is a problem when it seems like less and less of our students are prepared for school at all, much the less med school...)
- SpectralSounds, on 10/11/2007, -3/+28I'm not surprised. Ive been to a few hospitals, where it doesnt matter if you were bleeding out of your eyes... They dont give a *****. You have to wait two hours.... oh wait, did I say two hours? I meant 6.
- Vicissidude, on 10/11/2007, -9/+34I'm not at all surprised considering this happened in LA, which has had a problem with medical care for over a decade. The problem stems from the whole city and surrounding area being flooded with poorly-educated illegal immigrants who can't get decent jobs. Illegal immigrants don't use regular doctors because they don't have medical insurance, so they only go when there's an emergency. This creates overcrowding in the emergency rooms. Many don't pay their bills, which has caused several hospitals in the area to close, which makes the problem even worse.
The solution? Reduce the number of poorly-educated illegal immigrants. If you had a population of people that could get decent jobs and afford medical insurance, then this problem would fix itself. Emergency rooms wouldn't get overcrowded and could be used for what they were intended for: emergencies.
If you don't fix this problem, then expect to see scenarios just like this play out all over the US. - CraigJ, on 10/11/2007, -0/+24"Why. Weren't. They. Helping. Her???" Because this is the worst damn hospital in LA, probably the worst in California: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-kingdrew-gallery,0,5651209.storygallery
You're better off driving the extra 30 minutes to get to County USC
They should be sued, but the reality is that if they get a big judgment the quality of care will probably get even worse. - thedragon4453, on 10/11/2007, -7/+31@liberalplacebo
Wow, are you saying that it is ok that the hospital allowed a person in their ER to die because she couldn't pay for it? I could understand saying they won't treat her for a non life threatening issue, but allowing her to die? IMHO, its as bad as killing her. For example, if you are hanging from the edge of a cliff, and I happen to walk along, and I am the only one that can help, should I leave you if you don't have thousands of dollars for me?
Oh, and only the stupid don't have health care? How else do things look from up on your tower? - AriaStar, on 10/11/2007, -5/+28@ liberalplacebo:
You are a ***** moron. In an ER, they can not use insurance or lack of against you. If they take those with insurance first, they can be shut down. It's not like going to a grocery store. They don't tell you, "This procedure will cost X amount," and you write a check for it. They bill you AFTER. How do you know she didn't have a few million sitting around? You don't. You don't even know if she had insurance or not. So SHUT THE ***** UP. - maximusGeek, on 10/11/2007, -7/+30So if they treated her in place of the 100 stab wounds and any of them died what would the story read? I live in LA and unless you have been shot AND in a vital organ, you don't get to see a Dr for at least 5 hours. I have seen people bleeding on the floor in the waiting room.... and this is in a good area!
It is no excuse for some one dieing in a hospital of a treatable issue but LA hospitals are a lot more over loaded than what some of you might be used to. - Seaborgium106, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22I work in an ER, and I can't imagine a situation where this could possibly happen. Yes, ERs generally do have a shortage of physicians, but they are filled with Nurses, EMTs, Heath Coordinators, Med Techs, Pathologists, ect. Nurses are responsible for the majority of the work, such as getting vitals and assessing the patient's situation. They would clearly be able to assist her. I would like to know the entire story of this, but there must be some major details left out. It doesn't make sense.
- sbader, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24Wow.. that's just sad and scary.
- mattmollysdad, on 10/11/2007, -6/+26@venicerocco
"Hey - Don't take a swipe at L.A. This is an American problem. Could have happened anywhere."
no... the problem in LA is that the emergency rooms of all the hospitals both private and state funded have turn into "primary care facilities" for all the non insured. It's not first come first serve they actual ask questions but people with colds now say they have chest pain and are put to the front of the line. This may be happening throughout the country but in LA County we probably have a majority of non insured illegals who r working the system. I was told by the emergency staff that when my daughter broke her foot at 8 PM that I shouldn't even bother showing up in the emergency room until after 2AM. From 5 PM on till 2 AM the crowds of people with children with colds is amazing. Unfortunately I am describing a very good private hospital that costs me thousands of dollars a year in health insurance yet I have no idea what would happen if someone in my family had an real emergency. This is not only a hospital problem but a problem with people playing the system... free health care... north of the border. - tsotha, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18Part of the problem is King-Drew gets sued all the time. It's already a financial albatross around the county's neck, and the lawsuits make it much worse. I'm not sure what the solution is, but shutting down the hospital because it doesn't have enough beds or enough staff seems like the wrong way to go.
I recall a story where a police officer was shot. His partner was in the ambulance, and the driver headed to King-Drew. The partner ended up pulling his gun on the driver to force him to go to County USC, which was an extra twenty minute drive. - jiggidy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19This type of ***** happened to my cousin. She was coughing up blood. They kept her waiting for 4 hours. Until they finally helped her. She ended up having to get part of her lung removed. And this is in Canada, with not that many people waiting. People would come in and get admitted sooner than her. Even though they didn't seem to be in the same amount of distress.
- ChuyMatt, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16Well, first of all, the Hippocratic oath is no longer required to be taken. Second of all, the reason the nurses did not take vitals is because they had no insurance and they had a history. Though, when anyone in your waiting room starts to vomit blood, that is when, even for the most depraved "healthcare" worker, your fear of malpractice issues kicks in and you do something.
I think you will see the particular players get fired (hopefully, never to work with people in need again) and, sadly, the idiots who cut the crap checks for the support staff for the MDs, the managers who lower moral, and the politicians who make bad policy and cut funding for public health just go on doing what they have always done.
Essentially, if the people running the place were able and willing to make things better, this would not have happened; they could afford to fire and rehire if they see health care worker treating ANY patient this way.
/caregiver venting session. - rodon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+169-1-1 will never dispatch EMS if the victim is already at a hospital, that is just how the system works. This is a very sad story, but it is a serious indicator of the state of California's medical system. For one, nearly 44% of the entire population of California lives in Los Angeles County. Another thing, our state health care system is in the middle of a critical shortage of doctors and nurses. Given that this hospital in the article is in a densely populated area, chances are that the hospital is already saturated with patients from the surrounding area. Keep in mind that this Hospital is located in a community where people have little or no health insurance, the hospital is left to foot the bill for most of these people. A hospital simply cannot maintain, let alone increase its staff when its busy spending all its money just covering the costs of it's patients.
Why the cops got involved, who knows. - Moetownslick, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16@liberlplacebo
i logged on just to call you ignorant.
carry on. - jtscira, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15And then what have one less hospital in Los Angeles.
REAL good idea ! - CarIos, on 10/11/2007, -5/+17Poor thing, nobody deserves this
- venicerocco, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16I live in L.A. and went to the free clinic to get a spider bite looked at and they guy said to me "You really need to get that checked out"
!!! - Jeffmr1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13Wow dude, this coming from the guy who dugg the story about the hate crime in Indiana.
- GregLoire, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14The police: keeping our streets safe from dying women in hospitals. Salute America's heroes!
- Higgins, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16@ bardamuclichy
Yeah I did read the article, did you actually read my reply or read INTO it.
And why doesn't this article include a statement from the police. I didn't say this story wasn't fake, I'm saying its a ***** piece of journalism. It's a reporters job to get both sides of the story, and if they tried to contact the hospital and police to no avail, you put that in article, "Messages left for so-and-so were not returned..". I'm not defending the actions of the police or hospital official, I'm indicting the wire story that isn't doing the facts or the readers justice. Read critically or don't read at all. - madamme, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15"But the people calling this ***** up are ignoring the fact that this is a women who clearly did not care about her own health. I thinks it's funny that the hospital treated her the way she treated herself. I mean just look at her picture, gross."
WTF. So, what you're saying is that because she's overweight she deserved to be let to writhe on the ground in severe pain for hours while bleeding out of the mouth? Somehow I don't think that has anything to do with her being fat. In fact, that may be the most insensitive, ***** up thing I've heard in a long time.
Seriously. - TheG2, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13And weren't we just talking about just how utterly amazing the Canadian healthcare system is?
Seriously, the hypocrisy on this site is really starting to get to me. - JimmyTheClam, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Racism? Probably.
Just not the way most people will think majortom1981.
Almost all of the staff at MLK are black. The victim was Hispanic.
BTW, MLK hospital has been a huge problem in LA for decades, yet it resists all attempts to reform it or shut it down.
It's an utter cesspool.
Its nickname is "Killer King". I wonder why? - khyberkitsune, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11@Error
Your name says it all. As a former EMT, letme tell you something right now. INTERNAL BLEEDING IS A ***** DILEMNA. Especially when you're coughing up and vomiting blood. (That could be from her lungs, or from her throat, or her bowels, or in several other likely places.)
Before you dare open your mouth again, get some schooling. I logged in just to digg you down for that ignorant ***** statement. Let me give you some powdered glass in your stomach, then you tell me internal bleeding isn't a ***** life-threatening issue. - Greyhaven7, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11So why weren't the people at the hospital helping her? Everyone is so mad at the 911 dispatcher, but WTF were the doctors who work at that hospital doing??? She didn't have insurance? Hospital was full? Doctors all had hangovers?
- Scorpy2643, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11But doesn't Canada have this all powerful amazing super fantastic socialized medicine that Barack/Clinton/(insert pandering politician here) want to press us into? I guess It won't make healthcare better, just more expensive.
- razor150, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12Lets face it, the health care system in this country is just plain bad. There are a lot of reasons for it, but those are just excuses for why it is so bad. A few years back I spent 30 minutes waiting for a doctor in an empty ER with a head wound, and I have insurance.
- arthurdent3, on 10/11/2007, -8/+16This is not a private hospital. It is run by the county.
If this is what the Socialist Health care reform will bring then I don't need it.
And I guarantee that this is exactly what will happen under socialized medicine...... - TeamRocket, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I've waited in the emergency room of this hospital for over 18 hours! There is a reason why people know it as Killer King
- textalon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Emergency Rooms are swamped with idiots who use them as free Dr's offices for snotty Noses, sour Stomachs and scratched Elbows.
- Timpin1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8@Liberal and slim..as a lisenced EMT myself, when you accept your certification, you have the duty to act. And one can be sued for mal-practice should they not provide proper care. All of the lisenced and certified medical staff should have their certs revoked and sued for being negligent. There is absolutely no excuse for this happening.
- Scorpy2643, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7no, a hospital can not turn you away w/o in insurance in the ER. That is way in big cities the ER's are all packed and have 10 hour waits. It's not like it's different if you have insurance. I sat on a gurney in an ER in Tampa for 12 hours waiting to be treated, this was after a 4 hour wait in the waiting area. I also have the best insurance I've ever seen, I don't even have a co-pay.
Anyone that tells you hospital turn people away w/o insurance are either ignorant or liars. -
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