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- 68024, on 11/13/2009, -4/+41Just to put things in perspective -
22 million infected - and 3,900 deaths. That's 0.017% (that's a little more than 1/10th of a percent). 304 million people in the US - 3,900 deaths - that's 0.0013% (just over 1/100th of a percent) of the US population dying of H1N1. These are the CDC's own numbers. Not that proper precautions are always a good thing, but this all seems a little overblown. - yourmartdotnet, on 11/13/2009, -22/+49and in the last week 180 people died from regular seasonal flu, just like they do every flu season. Get over the hype
- skidork, on 11/13/2009, -8/+34"In a normal year, there are 60 to 80 pediatric deaths from seasonal flu, Schuchat noted."
540 children have died. Hype? - BrynF, on 11/13/2009, -4/+25I'm just recovering from swine flu, and while in some sense it is just normal flu it was definitely the worst flu I've ever had. I've never missed work due to a flu before, but now I had a high fever from the beginning with no chance of working.
Swine flu also spreads much faster than seasonal flus and will infect a larger proportion of the population, and it kills a larger proportion of healty young adults than seasonal flus. - christoast, on 11/13/2009, -1/+19Where is your tinfoil hat? That's all you are, a conspiracy freak. Most people who are critical of vaccines don't know anything about medical science/infectious disease.
- ozroy, on 11/13/2009, -0/+17You obviously don't know what pandemic means. Pandemic has nothing to do with how deadly it is. It's a sudden outbreak that becomes very widespread and infects a whole region.
- JDLamb88, on 11/13/2009, -7/+23SHUT
- hokie47, on 11/13/2009, -2/+17Hype or not getting the flu sucks. If there is a safe and effective vaccine that will let me use my leave days going to Vegas instead of laying on my sofa watching the prices is right, count me. Call me crazy but I trust the CDC, over the anti vaccine nuts.
- Regulator980, on 11/13/2009, -5/+20DOWN
- christoast, on 11/13/2009, -5/+20People who get the flu make me sick.
- inactive, on 11/13/2009, -4/+19EVERYTHING
- inactive, on 11/13/2009, -0/+14If you've never missed for work for the flu before then I have to believe you've never had the flu. A lot of people get bad colds and assume they had the flu. When you get the real flu that ***** knocks you down for at least 2 days where you can't do *****.
- aceallways, on 11/13/2009, -0/+12
0.017% (that's a little less than 1/50th of a percent)
0.0013% (just over 1/1000th of a percent)
Fixed. - SuperCujo, on 11/13/2009, -3/+14You've never missed work due to the flu?
So you're the bastard who comes into work sick and spreads it to other workers causing them to take days off. You are responsible for your company losing money.
When you are sick with the flu, you stay home. The lost productivity due to workers coming in to work when they have the flu is huge... - skidork, on 11/13/2009, -1/+12I found his tinfoil hat! Put it on him carefully, he bites!
- gohepcat, on 11/13/2009, -0/+9Please look up what Pandemic means. You obviously do not understand the definition
- norwegianlegion, on 11/13/2009, -6/+15Statistically, this strain of H1N1 is ridiculously impractical to worry about. I've seen CNN air stories about "survivors" and I wonder how hard they had to look to find people seriously affected by it. Sensationalist *****.
We should only worry if the virus develops a strain that is exponentially more lethal, but any virus has the potential to do that. I'm curious why the initial reports of the virus in Mexico were seemingly so lethal, and if the current vaccines would protect us should the virus mutate again to become an actual threat. - inactive, on 11/13/2009, -0/+9If you don't want to get the vaccine, fine. But don't go spouting stupid ***** you know nothing about.
- Angostura, on 11/13/2009, -0/+8I can see the headlines now "complacent government leaves 1,000s to die from swine flu: 'not much to worry about' claim Feds".
- lukak, on 11/13/2009, -2/+10I'm sickened with the virus. It disgusts me.
- Angostura, on 11/13/2009, -0/+8For many people it is, however there are several unknowns about the way it behaves.
Still, nicely nuanced argument with the "retard" comment. - jeremymccurdy, on 11/13/2009, -1/+9What's it like being a paranoid schizophrenic?
- Mujokan, on 11/13/2009, -1/+8Clearly this flu season will be worse than normal. An effective vaccination program certainly will save lives.
But another reason to put effort into stopping the spread of this new strain is that the more it gets around, the more chance it has to cross-breed with some other strain. Because this new strain is better than average at communicating itself, that's not a good thing -- even if it's not actually much more deadly in numbers terms than the more ordinary strains that are entering their regular season now.
There wouldn't be so much hype if all the conspiracy theorists didn't go off on their anti-government rants so much. Pandemics ARE possible. One day you might get one that's not only fast but deadly. Just be sensible about it and it won't be such a big deal in the media. - christoast, on 11/13/2009, -3/+10If we had vaccines in the day of the Spanish flu, not all 50 million people would have had to die. All your doing in insuring that you will infect people if you get it, all because you don't want to get a scary needle and are uneducated as to whats in it.
- ylikone, on 11/13/2009, -2/+9Vaccine is not dangerous, stop spreading fear and paranoia.
- RagManX, on 11/13/2009, -1/+7I work for the gov't. I have cow-orkers who, like you, refuse to get vaccinations for H1N1 because they don't trust the gov't. While I don't understand how any intelligent person can decide not to get vaccinated, it's especially perplexing that gov't employees refuse to get it because they don't trust the gov't.
- Nothlit, on 11/13/2009, -1/+7The CDC also says that anywhere from 5 to 20 million are infected with the seasonal flu each year, and about 36,000 of them die on average. So that's anywhere from 0.18 to 0.72% of those infected who die of seasonal flu. So far, H1N1 is nowhere near that bad.
- guytoronto, on 11/13/2009, -3/+9Sucks to have a ***** medical system. Sucks that so many are against universal health care. I live in Ontario, Canada. Got my free flu shot a couple weeks ago.
- Finsternis, on 11/13/2009, -9/+15It's the FLU. The media keeps acting like it's friggin' EBOLA. A total creation of media hype so they have something to fill that 24-hour news cycle when there don't happen to be any little boys "lost on a balloon".
Eat healthy. Get a regular flu shot. Unless you're 6 months old, 90 years old, or with a serious medical condition, you'll be fine - just like every other flu season. Don't feed the hype machine.
Buried. - NightC, on 11/13/2009, -1/+6I am glad you posted this, I was going to figure out the numbers and do it myself, but you saved me the time. 3,900 deaths... We will end up losing more in Iraq and Afghanistan....
- guytoronto, on 11/13/2009, -3/+8"God people as a whole are just ***** retarded."
That's why we have people like doctors and medical experts who treat this ***** seriously. If we left it all to morons who "really wish they would take off the pandemic status", it could be a lot worse. - Angostura, on 11/13/2009, -3/+8Because Leprosy is a well know, stable disease with well known behaviour and treatments.
H1N1 is novel. When it started out in Mexico it looked very nasty, so quite rightly WHO etc. got geared up for the worst. Now, luckily enough it appears that the disease is a lot less nasty than first believed. But you have a whole load of governments who have placed orders for vaccine etc. in order to protect their populations. And the populations are still worried about the *possible* unknown issues with the flu. - Mujokan, on 11/13/2009, -0/+4I can't agree that hundreds of people dying is "fine". You can never be sure exactly what is going to happen out in the wild, so minimization is the best policy on both counts.
- inactive, on 11/13/2009, -0/+4Because buying medication off of sketchy websites is the best idea.
- RagManX, on 11/13/2009, -1/+5What? How exactly do you evaluate "NEVER" in your world? From just three different recent studies, covering short-term and long-term analysis, there are clear statistically significant decreases in confirmed (as in positively identified virus, not "Man, I feel crappy - must be the flu") infection rates and mortality rates:
"CONCLUSIONS. Receipt of all recommended doses of influenza vaccine was associated with halving of laboratory-confirmed influenza-related medical visits among children 6 to 59 months of age in 1 of 2 study years, despite suboptimal matches between the vaccine and circulating influenza strains in both years."
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/ ...
Conclusions During 10 seasons, influenza vaccination was associated with significant reductions in the risk of hospitalization for pneumonia or influenza and in the risk of death among community-dwelling elderly persons. Vaccine delivery to this high-priority group should be improved.
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/357/1 ...
"The virus-vaccine match was excellent for year 1 and fair for year 2. Both years, during peak and total periods, vaccination reduced all causes of death and hospitalization for pneumonia and influenza: hospitalizations were reduced by 19%-20% and 18%-24% for years 1 and 2, respectively, and deaths were reduced by 60%-61% and 35%-39% for the same periods. These results show that all elderly persons should be immunized annually for influenza. The methods used in this study are an efficient cost-effective way to study vaccine impact and similar questions."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11517426 - PepeGSay, on 11/13/2009, -0/+4Shots these days do use mercury Harabeck. You're ill informed. There are a lot less shots with Thimerosal used today. However, the multi-dose shots need a preservative and it is often Thimerosal. The vast majority of the shots given for H1N1 *will* have Thimerosal in them.
Whether Thimerosal is dangerous is up for debate, but get your facts straight about whether it is in the shot or not. - TheVirus, on 11/13/2009, -2/+6Sorry.
- ylikone, on 11/13/2009, -0/+4Learn what? I'm certainly happy that ALAR is gone. Same for DDT. And we put so many emission regulation on factories that acid rain is not much of an issue anymore (is it?). So what you want is to keep all these things that make people sick? If you don't start with the small stuff, eventually you have an uncontrollable problem.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/13/2009, -1/+5If people were actually dying of this at higher rates than a regular flu, maybe there would be outrage.
For some perspective, Hurricane Katrina hit a city with just over 100,000 people remaining in it after evacuation and killed over 1,800 of them.
An estimated 22,000,000 people have had the swine flue and only about 3,900 have died.
I'll leave it up to you to figure out which situation is more deserving of outrage. - 68024, on 11/13/2009, -0/+3Thanks... I wasn't thinking there...
- thebeast68, on 11/13/2009, -1/+4What is wrong with collecting information on those given the vaccine. How else could the experts identify adverse reactions (mild to non-existent to this point)and improve the vaccine in the future. I assure you your grocery store, credit card company, etc.knows more about you than what is collected on the vaccine form.
- whytey, on 11/13/2009, -15/+18retards believing this, its just normal flu but more hyped up
- stockgotti, on 11/13/2009, -3/+6In the last year Swine Flu has killed, globally, about 400 people more than Leprosy. Why is everyone not scared to death of Leprosy? It's a much worse way to die and is an equally as common way to die.
- Mujokan, on 11/13/2009, -0/+3Well, flu viruses are constantly mutating of course. Your immune system is not in danger of getting lazy.
Vaccination does actually save lives, there's nothing particularly philosophical about it. And the more communicable and virulent, the more effort we should put into beating it down. Laissez faire could lead to a very nasty outcome. - JohnnySoftware, on 11/13/2009, -0/+2It is hard to say. The last time we had a swine flu epidemic was in the 1970's. The flu did not hit as hard as expected to people who were not vaccinated. The vaccine itself was botched and it affected people who received it more than expected.
FACTS:
1. Swine flu vaccine from 1970's does not help you fight 2009 swine flu:
http://answers.flu.gov/questions/4221
2. PSA's in 1970's scared people into getting the shot to prevent swine flu.
http://www.retroist.com/2009/04/27/swine-flu-publi ...
3. In the 1970's, one person died of the swine flu:
http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html
4. Swine flu vaccine from 1970's paralyzed 500 people by giving them Guillain-Barré & 25 died from shot.
http://thenewsjunkie.com/2009/04/flashback-swine-f ...
5. The result was a public backlash:
http://www.10news.com/news/19318982/detail.html
6. And companies making flu epidemic vaccines since then extract a promise from government they
cannot be sued if their product kills or harms people for life.
That basically articulates why people fear the virus, aside from celebrity quotes and stuff. Just the historical facts. Some will argue rightly they are not relevant. Some will argue rightly they are not.
Over and over on the radio a public health spokesman was arguing that we do not know what the severiity and duration of this year's swine flu will be.
However, the number of deaths from swine flu in the US so far is much higher than one person. The first person noted to die of it in US passed away shortly after they crossed the border Mexico to Texas to visit relatives with their mother. There were some other deaths in that region around the same time that were investigated as possibly swine flu deaths.
Since then, a lot more than one person has died of swine flu in the US, as they do every year for the seasonal flu which happens to start up around this time of year. and run though May. This swine flu happens to hit extra hard and it is going around across the US.
I'm not giving you an opinion, just some facts. Probably makes it harder to decide what to do with facts. But at least you have less reason for second doubts once you've reached your decision. - inactive, on 11/13/2009, -0/+2it's the apocalypse!
- Harabeck, on 11/13/2009, -0/+2It's more likely the virus will become less lethal. The faster it kills, the less it spreads.
- jeremymccurdy, on 11/13/2009, -0/+2I'm recovering from it too. It's a pretty bad flu, not really the worst one I've had though. However, I did have a fever that did make me hallucinate that I was writing a novel when in fact I was sitting in my kitchen typing on my dining table. If I had been an old person or a little kid, I probably could have kicked the bucket.
- iarp, on 11/13/2009, -3/+5Oh the power of media. If you worry about getting the swine flu you'll make yourself believe you have it, go to the ER where they say you may have it and everyone gets in a tissy. If they'd just shut up and didn't say anything about swine flu and created the shot and called it the seasonal flu, there probably wouldn't be such a panic.
- thebeast68, on 11/13/2009, -0/+2I know several with lab confirmed H1N1, including my son and a neighbor whose 8 year old daughter nearly died. Perfectly healthy with no chronic disease or other risk factors. For the most part this strain causes mild disease, but it can kill.
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