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- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31"What better way is there to go?"
Sex by hot twin lesbians would be first on my list. - SirNoobius, on 10/12/2007, -12/+39
Airlines need to make people pay $$/lbs. after a certain weight. - swiseman, on 10/12/2007, -13/+37@axel2k1
Why are you surprised that fat people are hated? There's all sorts of anti-smoking campaigns out there, what's the difference? It seems there's a lot of hatred for smokers as well, huh? And the fact that you would compare obesity to a person's race is horrible. Are you saying a black person should want to be a different color? That's wrong.
Being ugly won't kill you. Obesity can and will. That's not a fair comparison either.
Digg me down, but your comparison doesn't make any sense to me. The article wasn't about hate, but way to make it appear like it was. - overbored454, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Digg. Only because this is something that people need to pay attention to.
- axel2k1, on 10/12/2007, -38/+55Jesus, two freakin' headlines making the front page within an hour of each other dealing with people being fat...
Set aside the health problems for one minute and think about this.
I'm not saying that there's anything inherently "good" about being overweight. What I am saying, though, is that our society hates fat people, and being fat is more unacceptable than being a member of any other minority group. Look at movies like "The Nutty Professor." The main character is black, but fat. What does he want to change? The fact that he's overweight.
Even inherently "ugly" people who are thin are more well-respected.
I will admit that much of the obesity problem in the US is due to sedentary lifestyle and diet choices and many people who have disgust for fat people use the guise of it being unhealthy. So is smoking, so is so is alcohol use, so is unprotected sex, so are a lot of things. When it comes to those other items, people aren't nearly as ready to dismiss the person as having little value. Part (I DIDN'T SAY ALL) of the reason that being overweight is so "unhealthy" is because medical professionals are more likely to attribute and health concern to the weight of an overweight individual. Being overweight also causes people to be more embarrassed about getting a regular checkup, for fear of being ridiculed over being obese.
There are lots of people out there who try their damnedest to lose weight. 98% of the time they fail. Only 2% of the time do significantly overweight people actually keep the weight off for over a year.
I'll likely get buried for my comment, since it doesn't go with the flow of the "fat people are disgusting and bad" attitude, but I felt that this needed to be mentioned as this perspective is often ignored. - ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18@Axel:
Obesity is the #2 preventable cause of death in the US, second to tobacco. Tobacco is already under heavy attack and has been greatly reduced, meanwhile obesity has skyrocketed.
Lots of people point out that tobacco is heavily targeted because of second hand smoke, and there's no such thing as second hand obesity, but I disagree.
Fat parents raise fat kids, because obesity is a result of lifestyle and diet, both of which are learned from your parents. The alarming thing for me isn't that so many adults are obese, because the fact is life takes its tole on your body and weight gain tends to come with age. The alarming thing is the number of obese children. We really need to change the current trends and get our kids into shape, and stop teaching them that a Big Mac, 1lb of fries and a 1/2 gallon of coke is a reasonable lunch. - slasherx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14That list started to lose a lot of steam towards the end of it.
- Shirk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"8. Stand by your man: More than a decade ago, Manuel Uribe, now weighing 1,200 pounds (the equivalent of five baby elephants) and bedridden for the past five years, was abandoned by his wife because she was frightened by his increasing size."
And who was the one bringing him food since he was bedridden? - Nekko17, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13I asked my Japanese friend how you say "obese" in her language. And she said
"There isn't a word for it", go figure. - Nickatnite101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9by the way Nekko17 its SUMO Wrestler
- Nickatnite101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Correct me if im wrong but Whats the differance between a food addiction and any other addiction. You need will power, motivation and support. I dont care if your fat. It doesnt bother me at all. If you wanna be fat then by all means be fat but if your not comfortable with yourself being fat then get your ***** together. Many people battle addictions and some are much more addictive then eating too much food. The only one holding you back is yourself.
- dvsbastard, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12In regards to point 7 of the article:
"7. Airlines spent $275 million on 350 million additional gallons of fuel in 2000 to compensate for the additional weight of their passengers."
I have always wondered why am I allocated the same baggage quota as someone who is obese... I believe it only to be fair that this quota be adjusted to include the baggage some people choose to carry around their stomach / hips / thighs / second chin... - underthelinux, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@ nickatnite101
"On another note, Is it really that hard to lose weight? All you have to do is not eat."
I'm digging you down because thats OBVIOUSLY a troll/flamebait thing to say. If you don't know why that's not true by now, any explanation on here is not going to help you. - dvsbastard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6In all fairness I understand that slow metabolism / genetics can result in being slightly overweight, and weight loss can be a grueling task for some... but gross obesity (which is becoming is far too common) is simply a result of gross gluttony and can not be excused...
- haastyle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I agree with "they have no right to infringe on their neighboring passengers", but we all could use some larger seats in economy class, even if your thin it would be greatly appreciated. People just need to learn to look after themselves and play some sports, do something, get off the damn computer or couch.
GO OUTSIDE - Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"How did you drop six inches from your waist in just one weekend?"
"American Airlines sent it to Guam." - gerkin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ im2emo4myshrt
If you want to see a lot of people that hate people for just being fat, read some more of the comments on this story :/ - davecor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'm 5'10 and 280 lbs. My kid brother is the same height and maybe 120 lbs. All the time I was trying to lose weight, my brother was trying to gain it. He can eat twice the food I do and not gain an ounce. About 10 years ago I got down to 210 lbs by biking 20 miles a day and lifting weights at night.
Losing weight was essentially my second job - If I wasn't constantly exercising, I would start to gain.
I think part of my gene pool comes from my ancestors who survived the potato famine by having some extra fat to live off of. Modern food (especially refined sugar) gives us a caloric density not found in nature (other than honey). I suspect there is a "healthy" amount of chubbiness, because nature would have selected it out if there was no advantage to it. My blood pressure and cholesterol are both normal at 41 - But I'm fat.
It's a genetic crapshoot I think. I got the fat gene and the balding gene. My brother got the hummingbird metabolism and has to wear glasses. - Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"We take eighteen ounces of sizzling ground beef, and then soak it in rich creamery butter. Then we top it off with bacon, ham and a fried egg. We call it 'the Good Morning Burger.''
Remember when this was considered funny on 'The Simpsons' because nobody sold anything that unhealthy in real life? - FuriousOats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This made me laugh
15. Recent studies have shown that obesity can cause you to lose sleep.
16. On the other hand, a lack of sleep may result in obesity.
17. It's a vicious cycle. - monkbot1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"4. Five percent and 4 percent, respectively, said they would rather lose a limb or be blind than be overweight. "
thanks to the diabetes you will develop you can have the best of both worlds. - mabba18, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@axel2k1
While there are a few people who have glandular/medical problems, the vast majority of people could improve their weight by making a few simple lifestyle changes such as putting time and thought into proper diet and exercise. - JavertHolmes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I can't believe Discover posted this -- even if it's a web-only story. Is the magazine as bad as this article? It reads like something my Aunt Mabel would forward me when she's not busy forwarding me 41 sets of pictures of funny cats.
"Never forget your past: Aborigines and the Pima indians of Arizona developed obesity, type 2 diabetes, and hypertension after transitioning to a Western lifestyle." -- how many people are aboriginal Indian? Whose past are we remembering, exactly? Am I allowed to remember my European past? Certain groups are prone to lactose intolerance as well. Should I be remembering their past?
"It's a vicious cycle." -- no *****. Here's how to take it from 20 points to 25: "It's not fun." "Being obese is heavy." "Obese people can't run as fast." "Obesity is caused by eating." "Oxygen doesn't make you obese." See, Discover? I could be writing for you too!
"Mississippi is the home of the mud pie, Cajun fried pecans, sweet potato crunch, fried shrimp, and catfish. Mississippi is also home to the country's fattest people—more than 25 percent of adult Mississippians are obese. Coincidence?" -- Yes, it's a coincidence. We all have access to a shocking number of calories. Pretty much any North American can eat 4,500 calories a day on $10 and tasty calories at that. I don't know what Mississippi has to do with anything.
"Stand by your man: More than a decade ago, Manuel Uribe, now weighing 1,200 pounds (the equivalent of five baby elephants) and bedridden for the past five years, was abandoned by his wife because she was frightened by his increasing size." -- What are we learning from this point? That it's possible to reach 1,200 pounds and live? That some marriages can't handle the stress of physical changes?
The article should have stopped at point 7 to remain borderline informative. - threepio, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15Fat Bashing? Good lord. The hassles that Obese people suffer on a daily basis? Get a bleeding grip, mate.
Try suffering through a meal without reaching for seconds. Try suffering through not eating desert. Try suffering through not supersizing the damn thing. Suffer through a walk, a jog, a run, a game of squash, some bloody Wii tennis or a few trips up and down the stairs.
The problem is that the In-hole is bigger than the Out-hole. STOP EATING SO BLOODY MUCH!
Cheers :) - VioletArrows, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I'm trying to figure out if I'd rather be miserable because I'm fat, and have to put up with all the *****, or miserable because I can't have any of the foods I want (endocrine disorder), eating everything I hate trying to lose weight, constantly on medication with ***** side effects to manage the symptoms of something that has no cure, only so I don't die a few years early. But hey, I'd be thin and that's what matters.
If only eating less (which I can't at only 1400 calories), and exercising more (which I can, but getting sick every time kinda ruins it) would solve all my problems. Thanks, all-knowing Dr. Digg! *waits to be dugg down for not fitting in the normal lazy fatass that can be told off category* - wachter1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Americans are becoming obese very very quickly, but why? Have exercise habits changed so quickly in 10-20 years. No. I do not blame the Hardee's Monster Thickburger. I blame the high fructose corn syrup that is now in just about everything. The American diet has changed. It's not that people are eating more meat and cheese. They're not. But they are eating a lot more high fructose corn syrup and other things that don't belong in food.
- sstidman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Airlines spent $275 million on 350 million additional gallons of fuel in 2000"
So, the airlines are paying 78 cents per gallon for fuel? Maybe I should be putting jet fuel in my car. I wonder what kind of MPGs I would get with jet fuel.
The best part is that I would get to work REALLY fast :P - Drhilarius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"No Fruit punch!"
"But why would the fruit punch advisory council lie to us?" - dvsbastard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Although my comment was tongue-in-cheek, there is some seriousness behind it.
Why must I pay sometimes ludicrous amounts of money to carry a few meager kilos (or pounds) of excess luggage (dependent on distance traveled) when there are other passengers who weigh in at about twice my body weight?!
@gerkin
I made no reference to volume, just weight...So your logic is flawed... But I'd gladly take responsibility for my big mouth - when the morbidly obese being taking responsibility for their huge asses. - threepio, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4His bandwidth, much like the tolerance of his personal weighing scale, has been grossly exceeded.
- sstidman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It was a joke, dumbass.
- ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Bingo. I always figured if I knew someone who was fat enough to get bedridden and I was in the position to give them food.... well, they'd get an even 1200 or 1500 kcal a day (whatever is reasonable, I don't know off the top of my head) until they could walk for themselves. If they wanted to eat more, they'd just have to go get it themselves on their own 2 feet.
- threepio, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9You can't choose to be black, white, asian, man or woman - or young or old.
You can chose to smoke, eat too much, take drugs and do dozens of other things that are detrimental not only to yourself but to those around you. (Get fat, have a heart attack, put a strain on public medicare/your insurance company, drive premiums up for everyone else. Take up space on the subway/plane/train and drive up operating costs - and so on).
Don't give me this glandular *****. Put the Yellow Dye #5 Grenade (twinkie) away and do some bloody exercise. - Dagarik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"They say we’re in the middle of an obesity epidemic.
An epidemic like it is polio. Like we’ll be telling our grand kids about it one day.
The Great Obesity Epidemic of 2004.
“How’d you get through it grandpa?”
“Oh, it was horrible Johnny, there was cheesecake and pork chops everywhere.” "
- Lazyboy - underwear goes inside the pants 2004
You want to lose weight? Do what I did, want it more then anything else and don't be a pansy when exercising, TAKE THE PAIN! Pain is only temporary. - Nocturnal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3LOL@losing a limb instead of being obese. That's really sad.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's also a factor of now that "bad" food is more convenient and cheaper than cooking healthy stuff at home. Many have neither the time, the skill, or the money to cook anymore, and it's lest costly (money wise, in the short term) to grab a #4 Value Meal.
I'm not excusing eating an entire bag of Chee-tos and washing it down with Coke; I'm just pointing out the environmental/social factors.
Myself, I just wished that fresh foods lasted longer in the fridge. I love to cook with veggies and have fruit to snack on, but the stuff goes bad so quickly, relative to other foods. - shaunnyboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5This is just a trash article with questionable facts. It's something you'd get in your inbox you didn't want from some dumb co-worker.
- vwvwvw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Same with me man, I did Body for Life and only lost 5lbs. I do a triathlon every year, and really don't lose that much weight during training. On the plus side, I've got pretty good upper body physique. I just need to figure out how to get rid of the belly.
- ryand789, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That is great to hear. People think it is MEAN to not let your kid have sugar or candy when they are kids. "That's what being a kid is all about!" Why? Who said? It actually makes kids less happy now AND later in life. It's borderline child abuse when overdone.
My son is like yours... give him candy and he gives us hell. So we just don't give him sugar and he doesn't miss it at all.
I've heard that part of the reason that we eat so much candy and crap when we are older is because we were conditioned to enjoy it as children. Everytime we did something good, we got a piece of candy as a prize. No wonder we associate eating bad crap with feeling good. - Nickatnite101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Note that im not talking about handicaped people. I am talking about the majority of americans that are obese for no reason other then they eat too much.
- JohnCub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I call shenanigans. Every language would have words for such things because in every society there are going to be such people. Cause, like, have you ever seen a sumo wrestler? That ain't all muscle you know.
太りすぎの脂肪余りにも多くのポンド - gerkin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yes .. you _really_ can get obese without eating too much. Really. It's kind of like the fact that you can be blind without someone poking out your eyes with a sharp stick.
- gerkin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Or maybe "Some whacky statistics we dug up that all share a common theme -- obesity" -- they don't tell you much of what you "want to know" really.
- im2emo4myshrt, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@axel
I don't know anyone who hates fat people becuase they are fat. I don't know where you are getting your information from. I have no problem at all with people wanting to be obese, just like I have no problem with smokers (provided I don't have to be around them when they smoke). But obvioulsy obese people are going to be looked upon as less attractive. Men normally don't find obese woman attractive so it is only natural he wouldn't give her the same amount of attention as a skinnier more attractive woman. Obese people normally don't want to be obese, so if they are uncomfortable with themselves how is it wrong for someone else to be uncomfortable with themself. You have a huge misconception thinking people hate fat people, the people who hates fat people the most are probably the ones that are obese - oknothing, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Fat people are hated because they act like there's nothing they can do about their obesity then they go eat buffalo wings and drink a 2 liter of mountain dew. Then they go home and eat a pound cake. Then they just feel terrible for themselves.
If a fat person wants my help, I'm down with supporting, but get off your ass too. - QueyJoh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ Gerkin
Okay, so what IS your background? You've got an awful lot of posts and have a very strong (and basically reasonable opinion) on this one, but please back them up. Having said that, I've got an opinion here as well with no basis beyond my own experiences and observations.
The backlash against the overweight population you're seeing in these comments comes from a common belief that the majority of obesity stems from laziness and greed (sloth and gluttony, to get all biblical on ya). In a lot of cases (certainly not all), this is true.
Yes, there are people for whom obesity is a result of medical conditions which are often untreatable, but surely you must concede that there are a lot more for whom obesity is a result of poor diet and lack of exercise?
Allow me to assume for a moment that you'll allow me that point. Following that, surely you must concede that people who make the effort to eat healthily and get some exercise in (both of which require effort and discipline) might feel somewhat put out that people to don't exercise/eat well have concessions made to them by government and commercial institutions with no penalty, financial or otherwise?
That said, you're quite right: the article does nothing to educate on the medical causes of obesity. However, the current trend is pretty much "shock and awe" when it comes to obesity, basically to try to reach those whose causes aren't medically related, but who will simply remain overweight and who will eventually become an unnecessary burden on your -- and my -- already strained health-care systems.
Also, don't forget that it is due to the increasing, non-medically caused obese population that these discriminations and responses are being generated, which is only making things harder for the medically obese population. - AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@Nickatnite101
"So your saying you dont loose weight by not eating?"
Yes and no. You'll definitely lose weight by consuming fewer calories than you expend. Simple laws of conservation. But will you lose fat, or muscle? Will the mental and physical discomfort be enough to override your willpower and send you on an eating binge that undoes all your work and then some? Are you in good enough condition to be able to exercise without causing injury to yourself?
It's certainly not the simplest of situations, no matter what it looks like from the outside (note, I'm quite skinny. I just don't assume that my own experiences reflect those of everyone else). I will say, though, that some people are overweight because they just don't care. Some people make no effort. And I view those people with the same level of mild disdain that I view anyone who is engaged in self-destruction activities.
Oh, and it's "lose", not "loose".
/grammar nazi - davecor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Is there another country that exports (and donates) more food?
- celotil, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2When I was younger, 15 to 18, I used to ride my bicycle everywhere, to friend's places, to school and back home, to town to hang out, to the city (Brisbane) 43 kilometres away (1 hour 26 minutes best time) at least twice a week - basically travelling a minimum of about 200km every week on my bicycle. I would regularly eat 10 weetbix softened with full-fat milk and sweetened with 5 tablespoons of sugar breakfast, eat three to four sandwiches for lunches, and generally have a about 2 to 3 kilograms of pasta or a 1 kilogram steak with salad for tea, not to mention all the little snacks of smoked fish and oysters, tins of pre-made stews, and other assorted nibblies.
I regularly ate twice as much as anyone I knew and was almost always cycling when either not reading or at school.
I weighed 55 to 60 kilograms, tops. I had legs like a ***** kangaroo and a chest that wasn't too well defined but there was some muscle there. :)
I still have slightly smaller kangaroo legs, as those few who have seen me in shorts can attest, but these days I'm starting to develop a bit of a paunch due to less time exercising and more time working (mainly with my arms) and relaxing afterwards with a beer.
Here's a radical idea for all those people who are overweight - eat _more_, then spend your free time pushing yourself to lose every calorie you just consumed. Don't eat crap like fast food, potato chips, or lollies, but enjoy all the steak, seafood, pasta, salads, cheesecake, ice cream, and other personally prepared meals you can, then get out there and feel the burn.
Get on a bicycle and try to beat traffic till your legs are jelly and your head aches. Run until you think you're going to die because your lungs are on fire, then run some more. Eat every meal like it was your last, wait ten minutes, then move like you're fighting the world for your life.
None of my overweight friends have tried this. They've tried all sorts of low fat, low sodium, low this, low that diets, coupled with "moderate" exercise and counting calories, and most of the time they just stayed the same, or in one case got bigger.
Get your metabolism up and you'll almost certainly either lose weight, or become one scary muscley mofo. :)
Go! Eat! Move! Move! Eat! Go, go go! - Riffraffs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3bet Nickatnite101 thinks the only thing people with depression have to do is cheer up to.
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