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- TheKriket, on 11/12/2009, -4/+25The least we could do is offer veterans the healthcare they need, especially from injuries they sustained while at war.
- elliotys, on 11/12/2009, -5/+26Alright, agreed, but No insurance = No health care.
- NidStyles, on 11/12/2009, -6/+23Coming from the perspective of an injured soldier, and a soon to be Vet myself. The Army medical system is broken. I've heard nothing but bad things from my friends when deal with the VA as well when out of the Army.
I think it's ridiculous when you are a soldier that has more than substantial evidence in their medical condition, yet everywhere I turn I am told that my condition has been enpounded upon and that I am lying... WTF...
I gave up 4 years of my life and my future health with promise that I would be taken care of. Yet, all I am seeing is red tape and road blocks. - macinit1138, on 11/12/2009, -1/+16Unlimited funds for wars, finite funds for healthcare. Stay classy America.
- AgeofMastery, on 11/12/2009, -1/+15Once again, you are a liar. Please don't try again.
- Tarkaan, on 11/12/2009, -6/+19Yeah, nothing wrong with the current system...nothing at all.
- enantiodromia, on 11/12/2009, -0/+9and no one starves from lack of food, it's all in their heads!
- mysonscool, on 11/12/2009, -8/+17It's not entirely that they didn't have insurance; those vets were "classified as uninsured if they neither had health insurance nor received ongoing care at Veterans Health Administration (VA) hospitals or clinics." So they had medical support from the VA hospitals, but didn't use it. You could just as easily say that their numbers show that 14x as many vets died because they didn't go to VA hospitals.
Misleading.
I have a ton of respect for veterans, but using misrepresented statistics to try to push health care reform is *****. - novenator, on 11/12/2009, -11/+19Happy Veterans Day!
Seriously folks, we need health care reform yesterday, with a strong public health insurance option to clean up the system. It's the only way, except a single payer system. - ousthouse, on 11/12/2009, -3/+11You're just falling for the crazy myth that doctors expect to get paid.
- PeppermintPig, on 11/12/2009, -3/+11The government didn't budget correctly?? Astonishing!
- enantiodromia, on 11/12/2009, -0/+7so, universal health care is working pretty well for your parents? that must be nice.
my mom died after her insurance dropped her for having the nerve to get ALS. my parents life savings was dried up in about 20 months.
we even paid for the coroner to come take her body! - RagManX, on 11/12/2009, -0/+7"No one dies from lack of healthcare."
Totally true. Ask those millions of dead children in 3rd world countries who didn't die from lack of healthcare and they'll agree I'm sure. - mattboyslim, on 11/12/2009, -7/+14I haven't logged into Digg in months, but I felt the need to comment here. My father is a Vietnam veteran, and my mother (divorced) works for the VA, and I can say with certainty that no veteran has died from lack of healthcare. The VA covers everything (for cheap) from vision to heart problems.
- pintomp3, on 11/12/2009, -0/+6Oh, they budgeted correctly. They made sure plenty of money went to private companies like Blackwater and Halliburton.
- lioozher, on 11/12/2009, -1/+7You do know that there aren't VA hospitals in reach of many vets? I'm fortunate that I live in a town where there is at least a VA outpatient clinic. I haven't used it in years, but when I did it wasn't bad. Fortunately I don't have anything very wrong health-wise though. My brother in law, who has affects from everything from Agent Orange to whatever from Iraq, experienced having all his meds replaced with ibuprofen at one point.
- RagManX, on 11/12/2009, -0/+5I'm sorry, Nid. I wish it were in my power to quickly fix what's broken.
- elliotys, on 11/12/2009, -1/+6Thats funny I work at the VA, and we need all the help we can get. The staff is pushed to the limits, and the compensation for the health care providers is hardly competitive.
- pagno, on 11/12/2009, -0/+4The VA does cover service-connected injuries.
- lioozher, on 11/12/2009, -6/+10Ok, as soon as Republicans stop confusing ***** with shinola...
- algaeturd, on 11/12/2009, -3/+7This won't bother the rightards. That's how they operate.
1. Send all the troops over there, wave the flag from the comfort of their couches.
2. Accuse anyone who doesn't support the war of 'not supporting our troops.'
3. Lose interest when the media coverage wanes.
4. Forget all about the dead soldiers and the crippled soldiers who return home. Turn your back when they need the help they deserve and so proudly fought for.
Veterans aren't asking for special treatment. They're asking for adequate treatment. And they deserve the best ***** medical care (mental and physical) that's available.
It sickens me when I see a party push these guys into battle under the guise of patriotism and then forget all about them as they rot in substandard hospitals, unable to get back on the road to recovery because the money isn't there or the care isn't available.
I hate war. I'm always against it. Unless some ***** COUNTRY (not a rogue group of extremists) attack this country and directly threaten our sovereignty, I say leave them alone.
BUT if you're going to send our men and women over there, then for *****'s sake, take care of what's left of them upon their return.
Why do I have to politicize it? Because the ***** republicans STARTED (nay, fabricated) the Iraq war and they overwhelmingly supported it because they felt that (in some strange alternate universe) that Saddam had bombed the WTC. They STILL think that. They wanted that war, they were responsible for sending our men and women headlong into harm and death when there was no reason for it...they need to realize that when you bang the drum for war, you bang the drum for dead and injured American soldiers.
This country was under no immediate threat from Iraq. The Bush regime had no business sending moms, dads, sons, daughters, sisters and brothers over there to die needlessly. - rpl0001, on 11/12/2009, -4/+8These veterans have full access to the VA hospitals, which are government run hospitals. Lack of coverage is not an issue with veterans. The problem must be if anything in the quality of care from the hospital and not a lack of coverage. If their reduced access to care forced them to visit the VA hospital which then caused the deaths, then that would be some proof that our government is not the best for running our healthcare system.
- pagno, on 11/12/2009, -1/+5How is it bogus? Just because you have had good experiences at the VA, doesnt mean that is how they all are. The Army does not care about you. They give you a bag of ranger candy(motrin 800mg) and send you back to your unit( with no profile so you can run 4miles on a ***** up ankle). Their MO is to not document anything unless they have to, otherwise, you have evidence for when you file for disability. Just like a business, government has to cut costs and save money, too.
- Laminarcissus, on 11/12/2009, -3/+7Scuba tank =/= oxygen.
Divers please stop confusing diving equipment with the ability to breathe under water. - rupertmorris, on 11/12/2009, -0/+4Zing!
- Laminarcissus, on 11/12/2009, -1/+5Not without paying for it, you can't.
- lendrick, on 11/12/2009, -0/+4I'm glad your wife is fine. Would would happen if someone in your family got cancer now? You can't exactly go to the ER for chemo, and hospitals aren't required to give you non-emergency services without payment.
- Pimptastic, on 11/12/2009, -0/+4Once you get in the VA and prove you were injured you get great care. its the bull ***** you have to put up with to get into the system. As for healthcare in the military, I had horrible treatment. it took them 2 months to get me an MRI to prove that I did tear my ACL. Over 2 months till I had surgery done to repair my knee.
The VA used to be even worse than it is now. I know that is hard to believe but it has come a long way in the last 20 years. Though VA care does differ from state to state. Illinois has been so bad over the years that Vets will travel to Wisconsin to get care. - NidStyles, on 11/12/2009, -0/+3Thanks for degrading my experiences and telling me I'm lying too.
- noahgelman, on 11/12/2009, -1/+4Cite your source
- lendrick, on 11/12/2009, -0/+3He was dugg down because the original comment is a comment about out skewed priorities and not a suggestion that we have unlimited funds. You're getting dugg down because you don't understand that, or perhaps because you do understand it but it doesn't jibe with your strawman view of liberalism, so you're pretending not to.
I'll put this simply for you: the original poster is annoyed because when we march off to invade other countries (who may or may not have actually done anything to provoke us), nobody talks about how much it's going to cost. But suddenly, when someone wants to spend a similar amount of money on health care, *then* it's a big deal. Never mind that the health care plan we're currently tossing around will actually *reduce* deficit spending by $80 billion over 10 years (meaning that we'll have to spend *less* on other programs, and thus will spend $80 less total than if we don't pass it at all).
Kudos to you if you've complained about the cost of the war -- at least that would be semi-consistent, even if your assumptions about the cost of the health care bill are demonstrably false. - chinaman1212, on 11/12/2009, -0/+2I disagree with the Fox news thing but thumbs up for the rest.
- zoomer123, on 11/12/2009, -1/+3Given the recent event at Fort Hood, I hope the Army focuses more on the quality of mental health care.
- enantiodromia, on 11/12/2009, -3/+5so basically, you are saying you stole healthcare services you have no way to ever pay for.
hurray for you. - LeMAD, on 11/12/2009, -6/+8The lack of universal public healthcare is one of the reason why the US is on the decline economically.
There is a reason why the rest of the world don't leave healthcare in the hands of private health insurance, it's because it's innefficient. Stricly from an economical standpoint the US way of dealing with healthcare makes no sense.
But the economists in the US that have the power to change things are at best stuck with the Reagan era ideologies, if not with the 1950s ideologies. But the rest of the world has evolved beyond that.
More than a matter of "socialism", it's just simple math. You people are getting screwed by at least by a few hundred bucks each year, if not by a few thousands because your government is refusing to evelove. - inajeep, on 11/12/2009, -0/+2I read in this very thread that while not perfect the VA does take care of the vets. As much as I'm not a huge fan of our govt, I find your line of thinking is more broken and distorted that any govt agency I've had to deal with.
- Laminarcissus, on 11/12/2009, -0/+2@seraph:
So that's how all disease arises? From people not having your iron will? It's weakness and indulgence?
I'll be sure to tell that to all the children with kidney disease. Self-indulgent little bastards. Or maybe they got it because they didn't listen to their parents? Lets cut off their dialysis right now.
Oh, and alcoholism and obesity cause liver disease, not kidney disease. You don't get dialysis for liver disease, you get a transplant.
So I'm just suggesting you might want to extend your rigorous self-discipline to, say, reading. - geopiscean, on 11/12/2009, -1/+3I agree with TheKriket!!
- non00b, on 11/12/2009, -0/+2The vets deserve coverage, much more than the prisoners who receive it for free. If they released all the prisoners in jail for dubious crimes (marijuana for instance), there would probably be enough cash to cover the health care of all vets.
- chinaman1212, on 11/12/2009, -0/+2Enantiodromia:
I'm paying my bills. slowly. but I'm paying them all. Dick.
Thank you lendrick for not being a dick like enantiodroma. You raise a good point. I dont know the answer. Kind of a scary thought. - askantik, on 11/12/2009, -0/+2Single-payer > any "option"
- inajeep, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1Technically we are supporting our veterans by paying our taxes whether we agree with how they are spent or not. Also, China is supporting our military by basically lending us the money to fight in two wars. While Americans who are out of work, not in a good enough job or too poor to work can't get health care. If you care about this country and the people in it you should be able to understand that whether a person is in the military or stocks shelves in a store, they should be able get medical coverage.
- SpykerSpeed, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1Free market, Laminarcissus.
Currently doctors have a government-protected cartel (the AMA) which limits new medical school graduates. The FDA increases the cost of drug research by hundreds of millions of dollars, so cures for less-common illnesses aren't even searched for - there's no point, from a profit perspective. The government holds drug prices high via patents, which keep the poor from accessing the latest medicines, and they die. The government refuses to allow cancer patients try new therapies and drugs until they are FDA approved - a wait time that usually lasts 15 years.
The government has destroyed this sector of the economy already. - Laminarcissus, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1So my cancer treatment was $200,000 -- let's say the magical free market unicorn touches it with its horn and it cuts prices by full 75 percent, even though PET scanners will still cost a fortune no matter what.
That's $50,000. What do you do with me if I don't have $50,000? Will Ron Paul pay for it?
I'm dead of cancer?
That would be convenient -- I wouldn't be here to bother you on Digg. - Kenomee, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1My father in law is very likely part of this statistic. He died last year due to complications with his heart, and every time he went to the hospital he had to fight the VA on the medical bills. My mother in law had to fight them regarding the bills he accumulated while being on his death bed when his arteries split apart. They said they'd only pay for things that were a life and death situation. Well since he's dead, I can't think of anything more life and death than that.
As a Canadian, I sincerely hope the United States is ready for some form of universal coverage for all people of the United States.
To all the vets out there, from Vietnam or otherwise, I say thank you for your sacrifices. - mwrl, on 11/12/2009, -2/+3That wasn't a mental breakdown, that was premeditated murder.
- pagno, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1You know that guy was a psychiatrist. Isnt that weird?
- drazen77, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1Sounds like the VA Hospital system needs an overhaul.
Anyone who thinks that by nationalizing healthcare (yes, that is what it is and what it will be, don't fool yourself) is going to solve 99.9% of the problems in healthcare is looking to get healthcare that is similar to what our VA hospital systme is like now. - NidStyles, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1Well I'm currently going through MEB, and through the VADES is where have met the most resistence. Going for medical retirement obviously. Just worried about hard it'll be once I actually get out.
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