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- goat77, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30No, no, and NO.
- clipper453, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31Kevin,
I'm a big fan of yours and I love Digg, but you totally ignored your own duplicate story checker. I submitted the following story 4 hours before you did.
http://digg.com/tech_deals/Xbox_360_HD_DVD_Player_available_for_pre_order_through_Amazon_com - Steelfox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Get ready to see fake auctions on eBay selling a picture of it and $1,000 bids.
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19A++++ SELLER, WILL BUY GREAT WORKS OF ART OF VIDEO GAME EQUIPMENT AGAIN!! RECOMENDED.
- MrScience, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Not to mention product shortages and delays. Think about it: How many 360 have been able to be shipped over the last year? If Microsoft had to wait for HD DVD, there would have been 0. How many people will care if there's a shortage of HD DVD drives?
Now... because the PS3 has their BluRay drive built in, a shortage of drives == a shortage in PS3s. Not a great place to be. - MrScience, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I've been impressed with how well the 360 upscales to 720p for my 84" screen. I can't comment on 1080p, but thought I'd offer that datapoint. Remember, too, that outputting to VGA can be problematic, because the IRE black level is different than using any other cable. Be sure to calibrate properly.
- whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12That would have made the unit needlessly expensive (over $200 more) and that's about the price of the add-on.
So in reality, things just ended up working out for the better. - cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -2/+11Just reminding people that the Xbox 360 HD-DVD player will also be recognised by Windows Vista. This is a major plus if you would like your laptop to recognise HD-DVD discs and of course, don't want to buy an entirely new laptop do so. Makes it just that little bit more useful.
- whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11DVD is more than enough for most 360 games, and in the case a game is larger than 9 gigs (unlikely) a 2nd DVD can be included..
C'mon these things are cheap.
So a new format will bring nothing to the table(only cost) and most games rarely utilize half a DVD. - gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Who says DVD's are getting limited? Is this a case of DVD9 is obsolete when Sony says it is. Funny I don't recall anyone complaining about capacity before Sony started it's marketing of Blueray.
- Inferno52386, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I hate to say this, but isn't this old news? I've had the HD-DVD drive pre-ordered for that past 3 weeks. Am I crazy?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Stonedonkey, the most recent update enabled DVD upscaling over the VGA cable. The only reason they can't upscale the DVD output over component cables is that it's part of the DVD technology's licensing agreements. There's no hardware or software reason. It's other companies telling them not to do it. VGA just happens to be exempted from that rule.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5So don’t buy it. If you aren’t a movie aficionado why would you care?
I would provably have bought one if I didn’t already have a stand alone HD DVD player. I have switched it back and forth from component to HDMI and with good component cables most people wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. Higher capacity doesn’t necessarily equal higher image quality. Your HD Display can only show so many Pixels and mine looks fantastic. But If that sort of thing doesn’t interest you why pay for it. - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 for 360 is almost 8GB. And it still doesn't have all the courses the regular Xbox version has.
When resolutions get 6x bigger, textures get 6x bigger. RAM got 6x bigger (actually 8x vs 360, 16x vs PS2). Not making storage any bigger doesn't make sense.
I think 360 will have the "Dreamcast" problem, which is it won't have enough storage to maximize its graphics potential. But that's just an opinion, time will tell. - pabster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Got a link on evidence for that?
From everything I've seen, the HD-DVD drive is USB and yeah you could plug it in to a PC...but there needs to be a driver for it. And I don't think Microsoft is going to supply that driver. Perhaps a third party could write one, but that is YMMV and who knows if (or when) that might occur. - SQUIDwarrior, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21. HDMI is nice, but unless you have a 1080p TV, not necessary. The capability is there to produce an HDMI cable, so we'll see one eventually.
2. True, they can't use the extra space. But so what? Put it on a separate DVD if it's that big. ***** if Oblivion can fit on 1 DVD, you better have one stunningly huge game to justify more than one. Most of the space for huge games comes from long cutscenes anyway. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8This is nothing new. See here:
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Gaming_Digg_New_Changes#c2956282
Digg rules only apply to us it seems. - xinul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2>>Life is too short
exactly this is an investment in lifestyle, some of us have been sitting on hd home theaters for years and are tired of waiting. While the $600+ players are a plunge I am unwilling to take a $200 unit is acceptable to bridge the 1 to 2 year gap waiting on standalone players to come down in price or a dual format player to emerge. That said I will keep myself underinvested in hd dvds by relying on netflix until the format wars shake out. - stubadub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No point? Maybe no point for you. I for one am anxious to be able to play high definition movies.
HDMI isn't required for Hi Def output. I've got a high definition cable box that has both component and dvi output. The HD channels don't look any better with the DVI connection than they do with the component connection, and the channels look many times better than their standard definition counterparts. - marosnax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just picked up the HD DVD drive at EB today (got the only one that wasn't a pre order) Things to note:
The xbox stays silent the whole time and the HD DVD drive iss also very silent can't here a thing even when the movie is on mute. - attamars, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3IMO $599 for a fully loaded HD-DVD player and game console is not too overpriced considering a stand alone HD-DVD player is running about $799. If $599 is too much, maybe they could of made it an option or something. XBOX360 with the HD-DVD for $599 and XBOX360 without the HD-DVD for $399. And a delay wouldn't bother me as long as they got it right.
An external HD-DVD is lame and half-assed IMO. - Stopher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I didn't know that. How about XP? It's pretty cool value added feature that they're making all the peripherals work with windows this time around.
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+1Yep, it will need a third-party decoder, there are open source MPEG2 decoders, and programs such as PowerDVD and WinDVD will also handle this fine. As a poster mentioned, just like DVDs when they first came out.
Another source link: http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/17/xbox-hd-dvd-drive-to-connect-to-pcs-via-usb/
Just for the record I think it will work in Windows XP too. It's just a USB device that needs drivers, I didn't even think external USB DVD drives required extra drivers. The Engadget article doesn't even mention that it is OS specific, so XP/Vista compatibility should be expected. - indirect, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'll wait to see how they perform.
- middleman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2WTF, mhockey?
- iHung, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Can anybody else verify this? A link somewhere? Thanks.
- whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Yeah, the HD-DVD drive will sell for that reason alone.
One more Nail in blue-ray's coffin. - middleman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Win XP already supports the XBOX360 controllers the drivers are out. To me there allot better then any other controller you can buy for the PC. I wouldnt dought that MS will put out a driver for it.
- t1t0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/Xbox360-external-HD-DVD-drive-may-receive-Vista-support.html
It seems it will be recognized, but will need a third-party decoder. But wasn't this the case for the first DVDs? I remember WMP refusing to read them until I installed a decoder... - SQUIDwarrior, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1How is it lame or half-assed?
Lame would be to add an accessory drive that played some proprietary media that nobody but Micrsoft is interested in *cough UMD! *cough
Half-assed would be having to buy a special HD-DVD add-on to watch HD-DVDs from a crippled HD-DVD drive that's built in. *cough Xbox DVD kit *cough
While I would have liked to see the 360 have an internal, ready-out-of-the-box HD-DVD drive, Microsoft decided to get their product to market as soon as they could since it was 95% ready. And I think it was a good move. The new Xbox Live was done, the CPU was finished, the graphics chip was ready, Epic had convinced them to add more RAM. Heck, they had themselves a next-gen gaming console. What they didn't have was a next-gen gaming console + next-gen movie player. Since the 360 is a rather flexible platform, and no games needed more space than a 9GB DVD could provide for the foreseeable future, they decided "Oh what the hell. Put some DVD drives in there and start building the damn thing. We'll add the HD-DVD drive later." - indirect, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Stonedonkey, the 360 DOES in fact upscale the 720p signal. My Television only accepts 480p/i & 1080i inputs. I have my 360 set to output 1080i & my television confirms this fact to me when I hit the input button.
- Confusinator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Wow, Kevin actually posted some old news! What's the world coming to?!
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Sooner or later your player will wear out and you will need to replace it. Hopefully your movies will last between 15 and 100 years. It's the content investment you really need to protect. One day these $500 to $1000 dollar players will go for $100 just as DVD players have.
Personally I would like to see multi format disk with all 3 formats. As the Market is saturated the price will come down and widespread adoption will take hold. That coupled with the fact that DVD9 isn't going anywhere makes multi format seem like the only chance High Def has. - gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Life is too short. Sooner or later some one will make a dual format player so your investment in either format should be somewhat safe.
What if both formats simply co exists like DVD+R and DVD-R. - appleman108, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you guys like this, make sure to check out and digg my story about the review it got:
http://digg.com/users/appleman108/news/submitted - cvrefugee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I think it would be wise to wait and see which format (HD-DVD or Blu-Ray) wins the format war. I don't want to be stuck with a $200 drive that has no movies or other content.
- REpler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Is it any better after the update this week? This was on eof the items mentioned that they addressed.
- cvrefugee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1What good would a dual-format player do if I purchased the wrong equipment to begin with? Sure, my movies would work but that's not my point.
- JoVoCop, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4In Kevin's defense, I just tried to submit a story with the title "Xbox 360 HD DVD Preorder" and only one of the two stories came up in the "already submitted" page. There must be something wrong with the dupe checker.
- sk545, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2no point. Two reasons why: No HDMI and and developers can't take advantage of the extra space for games (which is arguable, but hey, i want them to take advantage of it if its there).
- Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Your 360 doesn't upscale resolutions, actually. That's done by your television or other video signal receiver -- which is why you see "lag" on older-generation DLP screens. Their upscaling wasn't very fast.
- mhockey14221, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2http://www.smartfellowspress.com/_doing01/00000032.htm
- Anth, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4After seeing how badly the 360 upscaled my DVDs to 1080p and output them over the VGA cable, I think I'll wait for units to fall into the hands of end users before I make a judgment.
- RAT-Man, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Loss of the advanced audio codec means that the first gen hardware are a better option.
- hoowahman, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1No need to preorder these in maine...
- attamars, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1This should of been put in the Xbox360 from the get go. Who the hell wants to have 2 components just to watch a dvd.
- Aidenag, on 10/12/2007, -20/+7suprise, suprise... the algo didnt stop diggs #1 gamer, Take a bow kevin........
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2or maybe kevin has more friends than you and his story just gained more momentum, who really cares? why is a dupe important just because kevin's involved? real digg users, bury these whiny bitches.
- seanthebond, on 10/12/2007, -21/+4"And, wil new xbox 360s come with built-in HD-DVD?"
Once the price goes down, on both the 360 and the HD player, yeah. Although it still may cost more than the regular Xbox 360, unless they make them mandatory. - foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -27/+6Is MS gonna allow games on HD-DVD?
DVDs are getting limited right now.
And, wil new xbox 360s come with built-in HD-DVD?
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