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- paulmdx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+38As it's an OEM product soon it will be "one of those home NAS boxes that are widely sold already". It has some Windows-only niceties that some people may like:
- Windows user account sync between machines
- Windows Security Centre monitoring
- Windows Media Connect for XBox 360
In fact, did you actually read the article? - dsendecki, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34Or somebody who is not 13 and has a job.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23It does much more than a nas box. Granted, most of the "tech savy" would probably just build their own using pirated software or a linux distro, but for the home user / techophile that doesn't want to muss around with all that, this wouldn't be a bad product to have. It will be interesting to see how it does in the market.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -27/+41Digging you down for the "$".... Grow up.
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18It would be cool if you could have bittorrent running on this thing. Always on and remote management. nice.
- mystere, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10There's a video over here http://www.on10.net/Blogs/jesse/windows-home-server-will-live-in-your-closet-simplify-your-life/ that might help understand...
- austindkelly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Azereus can do that, why couldnt you load it on this Home Server and run the WebUI plugin that allows you to manage your torrents from any browser?
- BabyBrumak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I really like the idea of automatically creating disk images for system recovery. That is a huge feature that can be difficult to implement otherwise, especially in a centralised manner like that.
- se7en11, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12You can do that now with a spare machine and VNC or some other remote desktop app.
- MjrParanoid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9They didn't cost you nothing. Hardware is not free unless you are a thief.
Since this is an OEM, you are buying the box and the OS.
If you build a box with at least 500 gb in storage , mirrored up for fault tolerance (so lets say 4 250 GB SATA drives), with say 1GB ram in a current low end processor you ar looking at around 600 -800 bucks in straight NIB hardware.
Yopu will find that storage will start to disapear as you place your media and start runningthe PC restore and backup system, but you gain some incredible recovery features.
And all the other great stuff. Really , read that article and use some common sense before you just spout off about how cool you are that you set up a linux box. - JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"Can't they just focus on what they're good at - a gaming OS and MS Office?"
Open Source fans say that Linux owns the server market but MS keeps earning more and more money in this area. If you've bothered to read recent financial news, you'll know that MS has been giving the server products division a lot of credit for their recently strong earnings. From the most recent quarter:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/290188_msftearns27.html
"Microsoft Corp.'s quarterly results beat expectations Thursday, boosted by sales of computer server programs and video-game consoles, ..."
Linux is taking over but MS is a monopoly. Linux owns the server space but MS is pulling in more and more money from it. How can both be true? - Philluminati, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13
It's a very nice idea and it sounds like it's been executed quite well.
A designed-for-your-home-server. A very ingenious idea with some great features. I'm a linux fanboy but come on, this IS impressive, I think. There must be hundreds of Linux distro's and not one of them is designed to be a server-for-your-home.
It's got some nice little features.
my mum has no knowledge of computing what so ever and i'm terrified that one day she will delete the hundreds of megs of unbacked up word documents she's written as a part of her thesis and so forth. She is totally oblivious to what could happen one day. This solution would be ideal for her.
Kudos to Microsoft - BabyBrumak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I've got a couple of PC's at home that I converted to NAS boxes and they do the job quite nicely. I agree that for many tech-savy people, this new version of windows won't bring as much to the table. However, with the number of features built-in, it could be far more convenient than current solutions that require a number of different installs and configuration changes. For example, automatic disk imaging for system recovery and the 'disk-extender' rather than RAID potentially add a lot of flexibility and value to this package.
- thund3rstruck, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9"I would only get it because I can hook it up to my 360."
Speaking of which, its complete ***** that Microsoft requires you to use Media Center Edition or other windows based computers to host media you want to stream to the XBOX360! God that pisses me off! At this point I'm forced to keep my XBOX1 up and running, meanwhile occupying one of my two valuable S/PDIF receiver connections just to use XBMC since the flashy new XBOX360 is locked down to only stream from windows based servers/pcs.
Just a rant....
god I love your gaming goodness XBOX360, but why did you have to be engineered and distributed by the Microsoft Corporation? - MjrParanoid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Go read the article again idiot
- Duston, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5[QUOTE]
Key phrase: "Dropped behind a suitable firewall..."
Sorry, I don't want Microsoft DRM-ing all of my content to hell.
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I am sorry is your IQ above room temp? What does a firewall and DRM have to do with one another? - OverThere, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5What? What the hell does digital content management have to do with basic network security?
- dkoon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8oh, I need a car! can someone teach me to build one?
- tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This doesn't sound like a bad idea. I wouldn't mind running Windows Home Server in a Raid 5 configuration with a terabyte of data.
- thomasprebble, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Meh. Its no HAL 9000.
- Drewskey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Simpsons did it
- sid0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4WTF does a firewall have to do with DRM???
- JeyNyce, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I would only get it because I can hook it up to my 360.
- aiten, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8It's a good idea, and something which will probably sell well, but like many others I laughed when I saw Bill's statement about the "Sub $1,000" price tag.
That is a LOT of money. I already have two of these, one at my parents house, and one in my own living room, running Ubuntu Linux, and costing me nothing. Sure people will pay for these, but for those who know what they're doing, you can build one of these for free using an old PC.
It also goes without saying that Linux is better suited to the task anyway. Who on earth wants a GUI running on a headless server, wasting resources? Come on MS, wake up. Web interfaces are the way forward. - sid0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4lol, looks like we three posted together. We all agree, however. :P
- FLAGEL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I fully agree with that, I can see a manager walk in saying "My wife's cousin is running a server at home and thanks to him I discovered we can make huge savings by installing Windows Server and cut down on IT-staff".
- jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4thanks! this wouldn't be a true windows digg, if it weren't for some nixtard going on about how we should all use flavour of nix.
- dkoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@cmost
The reality is building a home server is too much of a chore for most of the people not just me, and Linux is everything but easy to use. Stop being delusional, just look at how many Linux tutorials on Digg.com, it's not easy if you need to read that many stuff to do something. It's easy for you doesn't mean it's easy for everyone, and it sure doesn't not mean they are fools or idiots. Knowledge is many things, not just about computers. Someone who doesn't want to waste time to set up a server doesn't mean he's stupid, it only means that he is not interested in that area or doesn't want to learn about that. People just like to spend time to do what they like most, what's wrong about that? Your "Great" learning experience is priceless for you but not for everyone. You people are the one talking about choices, but you also are the one calling people fools and idiots when they want to do what they like. - Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Yes/no.
Off the shelf NAS servers offer a lot more than SMB; streaming media for example. Also, the vast majority of people who *need* one don't have the skills to build one. Finally, you have to have the machine lying around to convert to a NAS.
I picked the Media Vault to replace a full-height dual core Coppermine tower. The Media Vault is 15% of the size, draws 25% of the power, and makes 1% of the noise. These were all important concerns for me. - jtbuck, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Honestly, the versioning might be nice but to pay even $500 [let alone whatever 'sub $1000' might mean] for this is ridiculous when you can set up a headless Pentium II with all the storage you need running edgy-server. Remotely administered, made to order, cheap as hell. All you need is half a brain and this guide alone.
http://digg.com/linux_unix/How_to_Configure_an_80_File_Server_in_45_Minutes
. - MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is probably the first shot for a real easy to manage digital living room. Media Center can be great IF you know how to configure it, and its scared off a lot of buyers because of its real and perceived complexity. MS knows that others are starting to look in where they already have been for awhile and are trying to make it easy. This kind of combination hardware-software will only really take off once Joe Sixpack can do it in an afternoon.
Less features, but ease of use will win the day - LoopyChew, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm wondering if it'll have basic domain/AD server functionality as well. If it does, it may be worth the purchase.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3i'm still really impressed with their branding skills. Windows Home Server. it just sends shivers down my spine and makes me breathless with anticipation. i can imagine every child in america asking sant for their very own Windows Home Server.
- drwtsn32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This thing can't be a domain controller, since XP Home and Vista Home don't have the capability of joining a domain.
- dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1[Sudo-delete - Reply button state didn't get saved by Firefox's Session feature]
- JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A wise move from Microsoft would be "and this will unlock the active domain feature on Home versions connected to it"
- fuzzynyanko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Better uptime? Is there even a beta of it out?
- superrcat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This product will need to be easy to manage in order for it to work and get broad appeal. With that said, if it is easy to manage, some business people may think the work it takes to manage business-class servers in their company is much easier than IT people lead on. It will undermine the efforts of hardworking IT people and maybe even allow less skillful people to manage business-class servers. "I have a server at home, how hard can it be?"
- 18000rpm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think a large part of the intended target audience for this is the custom installer market.
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3what? what does that have to do with anything?
- flake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Maybe try READING the article?
- se7en11, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@thund3rstruck
I agree. I actually bought MCE, but it really still did not do what I would have hoped or wanted. Maybe when MS gets IPTV going we can actually use the 360 as a media device. - Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5And even if you're buying an off-the-shelf NAS, you can get one for less than a third of that.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You can, its called utorrent
- flake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Except for the fact that this home server is missing things like directory services which are needed in all but the smallest businesses... Also, no way to install messaging servers, database servers, etc..., on and on....
- diggeasytiger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Use torrentflux. http://www.torrentflux.com/
I use it on a debian sarge server and is awsome fast etc, and i can even access from my phone to check/add downloads. - diggeasytiger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yea.. if morons want to pay to get turds like this let them. Who cares how they waste their money.
Linux users only get so arrogant because they have something to be arrogant about. I've had a network box, with no monitor, running pretty much non stop for 2 years now. h/w cost: ~£400. s/w cost £0. Itserves for use by 5 other people.
If you want to spend more than the cost of your hardware on a pooly featured piece of software of questionable stability it is nothing more than an expression of your technical ignorance or out of laziness and not wanting to spend a few days working ot how to use something new.
And from helping out dozens of people and relatives fixing their windows boxes when they finally die... they wouldn't want this stuff because they simply wouldn't conceive of it. - TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1what makes you think it's a stateful device?
- diggeasytiger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1shows what you know doesn't it. clearly you've never used linux... but any distro can do 90% of that with 5 minutes of config.
PS... calling yourself a "fanboy" is pretty gay buddy. - jtbuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@MjrParanoid:
Pentium II & III's are free you ape. I have a god-damned stockpile of them from friends and family and they make fine servers. You can now pick up a 400GB pata drive for $120. *THAT* is 'sub-$1,000".
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