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- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -6/+51IM IN UR CLOSET SERVIN UR STUFF
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -8/+50When Apple introduces software Old Nanny Smith can use, they are heralded as the "true personal computer makers". Now, however, that Windows is doing the same, you play the elitest card.
- Settra, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33***** off you moron. Stop spamming your ***** myspace site. Go kill yourself.
- unloud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Don't even bother talking to itchle. Just block him and report him. He does this on all stories.
- valona, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28@drizek,
You Sir, are a grade A *****. Someone who participates in the special olympics at any level, shows way more enthuasism, lust for life, and desire to succeed despite their handicaps, than you ever could. The highlight of your pitiful existence is getting emotional at what OS your PC runs. How deeply sad and pathetic is your life? - oskite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Too bad reasonable upload speeds are crazy expensive in this country. I bet people in Japan can access all the media on their home servers on their cell phones by now.
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21I live in Hong Kong, and they offer 1GB/s broadband for home users.
http://www.hkbn.net/bb1000/index.html (It isn't in English)
Suck failure, Comcast! - Odiwan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19I watched the whole video. This device does a lot more than your typical NAS. It completely backs up each and every Windows machine on your network, including the OS, taking advantage of any redundancy no each machine, it journals all your file operations so you can go back to older files on each of those machines, it acts as a Remote Desktop proxy to any machine on your network, it serves up photos/videos/music to your XBOX, it informs you about the "health" of your Windows machines (firewall down, other problems), and it seems to even be able to present your various data drives as one big one. For a Windows user, this is great.
For a geek who set up their own motherboard + Raid cards etc., not interesting - even then, it does lots. But for folks like me who don't have the time to mess around with this stuff, seems pretty good. It does a lot more than the ReadyNAS and Terastation and other NAS boxes. - nwoolls, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22"MS is trying to win back the Windows defectors crowd."
Thats like saying Century 21 is trying to market homes to the unemployed. MS does not care about both people who switched to Linux yesterday. Wake up geeks. That isn't their market. And they don't care. Every geek could switch to Linux and MS would still have 85% of the market and be making billions. Once again, it's not about you. - Scruffydan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18could my mom use readyNAS? I doubt it, could she use the windows home server? who knows, but if MS has made it easy enough for non techy people then they have made a better product for many people.
- yabos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@Odiwan
Linux even being free still can't touch this. Even though I don't like MS very much, all those features would be quite complicated to get Linux to do automatically. It's more than just rsync with cron guys. It's a lot like Apple's TimeMachine it seems but acts as a centralized storage for it along with other features. - geoken, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16LOL. So Vista comes out with ability to log file changes and revert back to previous versions (long before Apple has incorporated time machine in to OSX) and MS is still accused of copying Apple. Amazing.
- ctomer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I don't see what this has over my NSLU that is sharing using Samba/NFS, performing back-ups using rsync, and performing as a print server using CUPS.
I can see this thing flopping, techies will stick with NASes and non-techies wont have a clue as to why they'd need such a thing. - ericnmu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10guaranteed easier to use than freenas and whatever hardware you put together.
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7$200 a month for 1GB up, 1GB down
http://www.hkbn.net/bb1000/offer_basic_bb1000.html (Prices in Hong Kong Dollars)
$175 for 30MB down, 5MB up (check verizon's site)
http://www22.verizon.com/content/consumerfios/packages+and+prices/packages+and+prices.htm - bluraven64, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Has anyone thought of what kind of security risk this would pose? Having all your data available 24/7 connected to the Internet, and some people will undoubtedly run this server without a firewall or forget to password protect it, or choose a really weak password. Is it just me or does this not sound like a hacker or identity thieves wet dream?
- ThatBlokeRob, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9@adamsucks - "I only watched 10 minutes of the video.. it was starting to get a bit boring"
Why does that always happen when Windows launches something? - Scruffydan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8bury
- MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Comcast gives me 10 Mbps down, and 768 Kbps up. In practice, I can reliably serve up 75 KB per second, which isn't great or anything, but it's not completely horrible. Personally, I'd rather have 5 Mbps up and down rather than the asymmetric setup Comcast offers, but it's not an option.
Windows Server does actually look pretty sweet, but the sticking point will definitely be price. There are free solutions out there for each feature offered by Windows Server, but WS seems to package it together nicely. - MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I currently run a Windows XP box as a home media server, and private web server (VPN). It works great, and never crashes. Linux would probably be a bit more reliable, but who cares?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@mooninite, you are THE moron. Do you really think the average home user will be able to manage a Linux server, any distro of it? Damned, they can't even understand the command prompt! And they are not obliged to.
You stupid brainwashed OSS whores haven't got any clue of how things work on the real word. - HalBSure, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I have a hard time believing that it is possible to make Time Machine's UI even uglier.
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4WTF are you doing with your NAS?
I'm pretty sure most people aren't worried about their house being raided by a SWAT team and their drive encryption passwords being extracted through torture. - michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3MS should just sell the software and let people run it on their old PC's as they upgrade to new ones.
- mike503, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3it's been too long that they've been unable to support above a 2TB max.
that is one reason i do not trust relying on infrant products right now. also the thecus units seem to perform better. (i also hate how infrant is spending so much time making a NETWORK ATTACHED STORAGE unit into an all-in-one-it-can-make-toast-roast-your-coffee-serve-your-files-connect-to-your-ipod-act-as-a-usb-hub unit - i want basics. raid5 and/or 6, performance, samba and NFS, encryption (boy that would be a plus))
nobody's got it 100% right yet. been looking at building my own... but it would be nice to go with something that has been someone matured by other users. - Saiing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You're right that P2P runs like greased lightning. Don't forget though that ISPs often run big caching setups or proxy servers. And where is that server? Yep, more or less at the other end of your 1 Gigabit pipe which is where a lot of things are actually coming from (i.e. not from the webserver on the other side of the world with a 10 meg outbound). That's when you really notice the difference. I live in Japan and have 1 Gigabit. I can download a 10 megabyte file before Firefox even manages to pop up its download window open. Literally - I just see "done" and no progress bar. It's simply beautiful.
And to answer your question, yes, there is a lot of competition in the marketplace in Japan. I can't answer for all of Asia though because I'm no expert. - moonhead, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I wonder if they are going to shoot themselves in the foot with this, could this possibly be competing with SBS? I could imagine many small businesses not needing a lot of the functionality in SBS but using this to it's full potential.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2First:
When do Windows Servers crash? Seriously. I've _never_ seen ours at work go down. (Well, once, but that was my fault.)
Second:
This probably isn't meant for people who know how to do that. - akinder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ha! Goodbye evil monkey, helllllo server!
I will definitely pick one of these up when I get a chance, I have hundreds of GB's ( not a lot, yet ) worth of music, movies, etc sitting on my old linux fileserver, with no backup method :( - raccettura, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Rather use my old Mac, or build a linux box as a server.
Then backup to Amazon's S3, which is redundant and off site.
Much more secure, and resistant to data loss. - deephole, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Mike503 - you can get disk encryption by setting up a FreeBSD fileserver. Use the FreeBSD geli utility. It's two-factor authentication right out of the box - part of the password can be stored on a USB FLASH drive. No one can get to a dismounted encrypted drive without the password AND the USB key. You hide, lock up, keep the key with you for access control. When the going gets tough, destroy the USB key and the data's gone forever.
Disk encryption means that if someone takes a drive out of the server (the cops, a robber etc), all they will see is encrypted gibberish, no filesystem, no directory structure, no files. Geli allows AES or Blowfish encryption, both strong and non-proprietary. Someone could still hack the box while it's running, but you can lockdown Samba pretty good, or pull the power cord when the SWAT team comes thru the front door ;-). IMHO, this is better then a Truecrypt-type file-based solution, because a Truecrypt container is still mountable and visible as one huge file, eliminating plausible deniability. Plausible deniability is very important - most passwords are given up by the holders via intimidation. It's also harder and less reliable to back up a huge container file.
I've got 4 500G drives shared via Samba on my FreeBSD server, works great, no MS headaches, and all free software. Not as easy to set up (you need to know unix), but they are several good FreeBSD books out there that get you up to speed faster then if it was a MS product. RAID should be at the hardware level, as BSD software RAID is pretty slow and complicated. - michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8itchy your blocked. happy new year.
- GhostCow, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Aren't there already routers that do pretty much the same thing? I just bought this one yesterday: http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?item=N82E16833320008
There's a higher cost version of the same one that comes with the HD built in. - fuzzynyanko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Microsoft DRM hasn't been bad, but yeah, I've run into a few hurdles. They haven't been too hard to get around.
Windows XP64 and MS Office authenticated just fine because they were newly installed. Authentication was pretty quick over the Internet. However, I reinstalled Visual Studio after the 4th time and on a different OS. Authentication failed. I called MS, waited on hold for a short time (around a minute and a half on hold), and then talked with the guy and without much hassle, got it authenticated. - hiscity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My concern would be that the box won't work with a business server, like how ms disabled Windows Media Center.
- nirav72, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed - I would be interested in this based on the what they're hyping so far. However, with the draconian DRM lock down in Vista. I'm not so sure if I trust any new products from MS.
- HalBSure, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Here's what it has over your collection of acronyms: Microsoft's backing. You may not think that it's a big deal, but it is.
- ZachPruckowski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1HalBSure - I think his point (which he makes rather well) is that MS's backing is a plus for non-techies. But non-techies don't seem to be interested in NASes much.
- reticulate, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I find Windows launches all my games fine, and none of them are boring.
- GhostCow, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4it supports fat32 external drives. I don't see why you couldn't access those from a Windows machine. It also has a couple of features that are only available to Windows users.
For the record, I'm a Windows user :P - bradleyland, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Like it or not, there are people SCREAMING for a product like this. Anyone in the consumer PC trenches will tell you that one of the fastest growing areas of home computing relates to the question "how can I watch this on my other PC", or "can I open this file on my other PC". Basically, we're to a point where many households have more than one computer, and the dual-tasking band-aid of making one workstation a pseudo server just isn't doing the job anymore. Not to mention, a good 80% of my customer base has no kind of backup whatsoever. Those that do are backing up to external hard drives. Virtually none of them have any network storage, but they've got 90% of the infrastructure to do so.
I'm going to sell a ton of these things, I'm going to make good money setting them up for people, and their computing lives will be more enriched by it. - hiscity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That doesn't look like a microsoft domain.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ok, so what`s the big deal?
There are already NAS with Raid5 in the market.
But even with those, there are some very big problems:
- the amount of data the joe homeuser has on his disks can very quickly get into the terabyte range: dvd`S,photos, photoshop projects, music etc.
- he still not only needs to 'backup' it, but also to be able to store it offsite.
- i`ve seen raid5 arrays burnt to ashes
so... an ideal hw configuration would be:
- Hotswap Raid 6
- a hotswap harddisk slot for 500G/1.0000TB hdd`s (mailslot)
- firewire to attach external hdd`s
software would contain:
- a samba server
- a client side backup client which just saves client data onto a samba share/via rsync, whatever
- a server side backup client to rotate savesets
- a saveset/file database
- a very simple restore interface.
And that would be it.
The small problem: the hw costs are pretty high... but this is the only way to be really sure you`ll still have your data in case of 'something really bad'(tm) happens.
No one needs 'snake oil backup'.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Microsoft improved SMB with Vista/Longhorn Server. SMB2.0 is faster and supports new features (better support for dropouts, less pointless communication, etc). Of course, when communicating with old things/Samba it will fall back on the old SMB.
Keep in mind that since the release of XP and Server 2003 there hasn't been anything more than minor updates done to it. That was a long time ago. - Butters66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This doesn't have exchange. SBS users almost always want exchange, if just for the internal calendar. If this had some type of exchange for home users, I would jump on it. Nothing like a centralized family mail setup. The box could also have OWA for access to mail from the road. Of course, I am probably the only person on earth who would want that. :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, since Chtuluh already occupies the refrigerator, it think it makes perfect sense to have this thing live in the closet.
Can`t get much worse from there.... :)
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You don't find Server 2003 a good server OS? I disagree. I find both *nix and Server 2003 to be good OSes for this kind of stuff. (Especially with something this small)
- spritom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've got some beginner-Linux-type NAS fun on my LAN as well as scheduled backups of the boxes I want. And Microsoft's got some smart guys these days and could make quite a slick "home server" that I'd be interested in. However, I'm skeptical of the DRM handling that MS seems bent on putting in their new products.
If DRM is a player on the home server, I'll pass.
If the "home server" just does it's home-serving w/o DRM crap, I'll be taking a close look at it. - jane1210, on 10/28/2008, -0/+0
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http://www.flvsoft.com/ - ZachPruckowski, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3geoken - I wouldn't be calling it copying if it was out now. It's coming out 6 months after Leopard and over a year after ZFS (which is what I accused it of copying featurewise). As I said, if this was a hard launch (as in, I could order it from HP today, shipping next week), I wouldn't be hating on it. And I spent most of my post on the hardware, not the software.
It's not a bad idea, but it's 2005 hardware and software launching in late 2007. If the Dell model or the Lenovo model is actually worth it, then it'd be worth checking out. But otherwise it's simply not competitive against current solutions (OpenSolaris/FreeNAS) and is gonna be laughable against what might be coming down the pipe in the next 6-8 months. -
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