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- egbert, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17This has nothing to do with "Freedom of Speech". 1st amendment freedom of speech only forbids the government from forbidding speech. Wikipedia is a private organization and can do anything they want to restrict the numbers.
- Sagags, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19freedom of speach is dead? the web site admins have the right to do what they want ITS THERE WEBSITE!!! Its like thier private property and they can do whatever they want with it, and if they dont want you doing something on it, oh well its there site.
- drmistermaster, on 10/12/2007, -22/+34Maybe because people are just acting like spam-posting asshats. I agree censorship sucks, but spamming the front page and comment sections with the code is just ***** childish.
btw to the poster, you have no ***** idea what freedom of speech is. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Or maybe Wikipedia can't host anything illegal. You can say the number all you want.
- mustnap, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Kevin said something here
http://blog.digg.com/?p=74
"Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts…
In building and shaping the site I’ve always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We’ve always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.
But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you’ve made it clear. You’d rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won’t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.
If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.
Digg on,
Kevin " - PAJK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7It has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech! Neither Digg, nor Wikipedia decided that the code was illegal! *****, the internet is STUPID today. Just goes to show how cynical people really are, and how they don't give a ***** about the communities that have given them so much for GODDAMN FREE!
Oh no, that might make you feel guilty, so ***** Digg me down. Selfish bastards. - leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7And I thought freedom of speech meant that you can create your own site and say and moderate what you want.
- Newusrguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Hey, smart guy. Freedom of Speech applies to the government, not the Internet.
- Disko, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Quick! Everyone get over to wikipedia and submit new spammy articles! That'll *really* stop em from 'selling out'.
- drmistermaster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6maybe it's because people are acting like *****-posting asshats. I agree censorship sucks, but spamming the front page and comment sections with the code is just ***** childish.
btw to the poster, you have no clue what freedom of speech is - HipOldGuy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This is not a freedom of speech issue, wow you people are so messed up. Unless DIGG is now the government.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5ITS NOT ***** FREEDOM OF SPEECH MORONS. Its flooding and spamming Wiki topics with some ***** number, 4chan and ytmnd, ***** YOU.
- r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Why do people seem to think that "Freedom of Speech" gives you the right to say anything you like anywhere you want?
The way I see it you can say anything you like, but if you say it somewhere that belongs to somebody else they are perfectly within their rights to censor what you say to protect themselves/because they don't agree with what your are saying or any number or reasons. - Beatmiser, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I'm glad that Wikipedia is doing this. You people are just disgusting.
- JaybeasCorpus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Sweet Jesus, quit saying "freedom of speech is dead." The GOVERNMENT cannot infringe on your freedom of speech! If a website that isn't run by the government decides to remove something that it objects to, it's well within its right to do so.
You can whine all you want about the HD-DVD key being "censored," but quit bringing First Amendment arguments into this. - bokchoi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Freedom of speech is dead? Wow. Way to reach new levels of retardation.
Of it died, you guys killed it. - SirRudy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Blocked or not, the number is still there. When will the mainstream media pick this up?
- FunkyLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I can understand Wikipedia locking them out, because they have no encyclopaedic value whatsoever.
- drmistermaster, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10maybe it's because people are acting like *****-posting asshats. I agree censorship sucks, but spamming the front page and comment sections with the code is just ***** childish.
- sandus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"freedom of speech is dead"
'Freedumb of speech', you mean. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4ITS NOT ***** FREEDOM OF SPEECH MORONS. Its flooding and spamming Wiki topics with some ***** number, 4chan and ytmnd, ***** YOU.
- Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wired hides their comments - you can only see them if you post a comment yourself.
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Marked as inaccurate because Wikipedia is not a tool to exercize a "freedom of speech", but rather follow their guidelines. *They may suck*, but this is not about freedom of speech. Same thing with discussion forums, they're private entities not at all entitled to follow any "freedom of speech", but you're rather supposed to follow the board rules. If they don't suit you, sure, you can whine, but that's basically it.
- NeoRicen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Freedom of speech isn't letting you spread information damaging to an industry (granted it probably will have no lasting effect), there's nothing wrong with what wikipedia did and what Kevin and Digg are doing is only going to ruin them, especially now since Kevin has condoned it himself thus removing any way for him to claim innocence.
- TheFallOfDigg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I just can't let this go. It looks like all the major sites on the internet are caving in to this mysterious number. YOU CANNOT COPYRIGHT MATHEMATICS. Give it up already. Users revolt.
- Tiak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Okay, so, the big question... What aspect of the number itself is even remotely encyclopedia worthy?... I could see maybe three sentences in the REGULAR HD-DVD article... There's nothing about the article or what happened on digg tonight... The only think I could see a wikipedia article about that'd be productive and objective would be the movement this number has caused which generally has people being *****... And something tells me that isn't what you guys wanted to write...
I mean honestly, what would you put in the wikipedia page, "Thiz numb3r is teh l33tz0rz!!1"?... (The sad part is that isn't even an exaggeration of how annoying diggers have been tonight, there was progressingly more leet speak at the night went on. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Chronicle of the events, and parodies that unfolded:
DIGG: http://www.digg.com/offbeat_news/New_website_09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0_ws - Four20, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1At least Wikipedia tries to. It still gets through, and in the oddest places. Here's one place I found it.
http://digg.com/tech_news/Wikipedia_s_attempt_to_block_the_HD_DVD_code - Kypt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3They have, when all this started:
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/02/the_new_hddvdbl.html - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The second we become the aggressors towards other people websites, communities and content, we become what we made a stand against.
The RIAA, the MPAA and all their affiliate scum, those are the people who attack other people's communities to control their content by bullying and force.
Do you want to *BE* what you despise? - radiofrequency, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Freedom of speech isn't letting you spread information damaging to an industry"
Actually, that's exactly what freedom of speech is. - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Viva la revolution in our own community, it's helped Digg to have better community integrity and stuff, but please, DON'T ATTACK WIKIPEDIA.
Wikipedia is writing what's basically a big book - it's **NOT** Wikipedia's fight at all, and it's not fair to attack it. - gnufan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0...."Freedom of speech isn't letting you spread information damaging to an industry"...
The whole point about freedom of speech is having it when it is damaging to someone. It isn't damaging to industry especially, since they haven't had these legal protections with previous technologies, rather the speech may in this case take away a perceived benefit.
No one tries to suppress your freedom of speech unless they see there is a benefit to themselves in some form.
In the case of the DMCA it surrounds creating a legal framework in which it is illegal to know how to read/copy data. DRM is effectively impossible with current technology, you have to ship the keys to allow players to read it. All the DMCA is about is making a legal framework in which it is illegal to know how your media player works, and placing more control in the hands of the copyright holders. It effectively enforces indefinite mechanically enforced copyright rules, and those rules are whatever the publisher wants (rather than the historical copyright rules agree by the legislative process).
Remember "copying" is a natural right (aping is what apes do), and that the copyright law exists to restrict that freedom. The DMCA takes this to a new level of restriction, and is quite rightly seen as a land grab by already rich and influential copyright holders. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I'll do it as soon as you post YOUR information you little pussy.
- harvinator24, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Alright this stuff is funny an im all for standing up for something you believe in but, there are copyright laws. dont hold it against digg
just think how popular digg is to be told to take down the stories. - FunkyLlama, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I can understand Wikipedia lockin them out, because they have no encyclopaedic value whatsoever.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1freedom of speech...as YOU think it is...never existed. Now should it have.
- inspiradventure, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Digg has to remove it otherwise, they would get into legal issues adn even more freedom of speech would be taken away.
- 0x0000ff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/02/the_new_hddvdbl.html
- radiofrequency, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2It's really nice that wired is mentioning wikipedia's censorship, but why are wired themselves so dickless as to refuse to post the number while they're talking about it? Hypocrites!
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
What the hell is the fear about posting this number? If I were on a jury, nothing could ever compel me to apply the legal protections afforded via copyright laws or the DMCA to benefit corporations at the expense of an individual. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+109 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐ F9 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐
11 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐ 02 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐
9D INVESTIGATE 9▐▐ 74 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐
E3 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐ 5B INVESTIGATE 9▐▐
D8 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐ 41 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐
56 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐ C5 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐
63 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐ 56 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐
88 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐ C0 INVESTIGATE 9▐▐
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 - Jackosx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+109 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
- eclectro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Well, wekipedia has always been a tool. I don't know about "freedom of speech" ever counting for anything there though.
- diggsay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Freedom of speech is dead! Long live the new freedom of speech!
- nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1is wikipedia a non-profit?
- aroot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I've already claimed the phrase "Grow up" as my intellectual property. Please post your address, my lawyers will be contacting you in the morning.
- gmprunner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1iPhone still holds the record for being the most dugg article by far (22k+ diggs), so buried as inaccurate I guess. :p
- prominator, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1http://digg.com/hardware/*****#c6459627
- gann, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@interiot
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/02/the_new_hddvdbl.html
That was in Feb. - CloudJ, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1How can you copyright a number?
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