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- hoyaman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Well, if the Stevens Bill gets through the Senate, there won't be any Google PC worth a damn. Unless you want to spend more on it, meaning more in monthly network charges, than you did on your current PC in one shot. That's 12x more expensive than your hardware... every damn year. Come on, Matrix!
http://www.savetheinternet.com
Now you undertsand why Google supports the above mentioned site. - vbsurfer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12RTFA: Read The F*ing Article
and happy 4th of July. - atomicbomb, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16"You don't need Windows! You don't even need a PC! You can login and work from anywhere using any gadget with a screen and a keyboard."
Ummm, don't you need a computer to run a web browser, the main requirement of this site to run? So no you don't need windows, but you do need an OS of some description, and last time i checked, you need a pc to run an OS, I don't think they make wireless OS's yet, lol. - markstafford, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11First, and most importantly, who in the world would be dumb enough to trust Google - the only people in the world who track more personal information than Microsoft - with their personal files?
Secondly, in my humble opinion, this article goes too far toward blurring the lines between an operating system and a persistent environment. I would personally call YouOS and any effort at a Web-based environment just that - a persistent environment. Operating system, however, smacks of an entire system for meeting your needs - including hardware control. And as far as I can tell, there will never be a true, 100% network based OS. Even thin clients rely on PXE to access the OS for the first time. And closely in relation to atomicbomb's comment, you will need an operating system to access the "operating system" supposedly available on the Web. If your local operating system isn't trustworthy, then it doesn't matter how great the Web OS is. And I'd really like to see an Amiga handle a Web OS with grace. - tutivlahos, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Too many users online.
*****. - Kickboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Very interesting. Currently is suffers from the very annoying and unfortunete limitation of javascript: Single threads. In order to create a smooth web-based OS, you will require multiple processing threads, which is something Javascript does not support.
Other than that... It's a very interesting and workable concept. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Arghh we all are preventing logins .. too many users!!!
- pcummins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This is yet again one of the bad ideas that I have difficulty fathoming why people would bother working on. We solved the whole client-server application interactivity problem back in 1984 with X Windows, we have semi-decent scaling solutions like Citrix and Remote Desktop, yet everyone seems to think the web browser is the best thing since sliced bread due to it being ubiquitous.
Well, it isn't. Sure, it's on almost every platform out there. However, which version? What browser? What plug ins? Does it do Active X? Java? Flash? JavaScript? [Insert new tech buzzword here]. Supporting web based applications merely turns your productivity into molasses as you struggle with stuff that you really shouldn't have to worry about in the first place.
For example, I see no web application that can take on a simple ssh -X user@host and launching gimp, Firefox or whatever application you want. It works. Pretty fast. With a bucketload more interactivity. In fact, it makes web apps look like a Grade 1 paper maché effort. If you need to use a web browser, blast a X connection through Flash or through a plug in, tweak the login system to pass credentials on, hey presto.
If you really want to get technical, simply clean up the X Windows protocol or make a SVG interactive version of it, define it as a display output, then run the app on the server just like we know now with web apps. You still control the pixels drawn on the display, so if you want to use HTML, you can use that. If you want to use Forth, or some arcane system that the local hacker made out of chewing gum and twine, that's fine (as long as it talks the display protocol). For heaven's sake, stop munging the living daylights out of HTML and HTTP to pixel push ambiguously when you can use a real display protocol if you really wanted to.
As they say, "Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.' - Eeqmcsq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I thought it was an impressive proof of concept. Or maybe the novelty is still fresh and hasn't worn off yet. I can see it being used as a works-in-progress desktop environment that you can access from anywhere to work on whatever you're doing, then when you're done, you can download it permanently and store it on your PC. I don't this will replace a PC, but it can be a supplement to it.
- btipling, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12RTFA
- ramielshafie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Give the idea a few years and internet connections some time to get faster and i think the next generation os is there.. It's a great and incredibly handy tool, however, it is rather unlikely to entirely replace the classical os.. there's things you just wanna have on yr hdd..
And then there is the so much discussed privacy issue.. Has anybody thought about that already? - liquidizer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Don't forget you can choose not to let any company have access to all of your personal, banking, creative, web usage behaviour. Even though companies collect substantial data, it's a whole new scale when you hand them all the contents of 'your computer'.
- AlexApetrei, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2bah hum, the mainfraim is dead, leave it be dead.
What is truly needed is better code and better processor architecture, not energy guzzling servers.
If you all want to be dependant uppon a central server then by all means do it, i on the other hand chose not to. - shishira, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://www.eyeos.org/ is the way to go
- whiterajah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow, YouOS and the others are incredible. I had no idea the virtual desktop technology was this advanced. It's actually better than connections to my home desktop via PlanetRemote or VNC.
I wonder if it would be possible to set up something like this to demo all the Linux distros? I love checking them out, but find it a drag to go through the process of downloading the ISOs and installing under VMware. Wouldn't that be cool? All the major Linux distros on tap on a virtual desktop? - VipeNess, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://www.youos.com/html/index.html?mode=demo
- Bloekie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think it's handy to have your calendar, e-mail and all at just one place so you can check it everywhere.
- balloot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2tutiviahos: This might sound crazy, but I hear there are now these little computers that you can take with you! They call them "notebooks." So if you are the kind that goes on overseas trips often, you can just take your "notebook" computer with you, and along with it comes all your information! You might want to check it out and join the notebook computer revolution!
- volcompimp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This has to do with YouOS and nothing to do with Google... These morons sure know how to title their articles and people sure know how to link with captions that have almost nothing to do with the article.
- hipper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I think the main point against this is: What are you expected to do when your internet connection drops out?
eg. some moron cuts through a cable, or a wireless tower is damaged/goes off the air
At least with a pc we can still use it offline. - Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2All I want is something rigged to synchronize my local data on the fly with online storage. Give me that, and Im there!
- andrew522, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2www.youos.com
press F11 for fullscreen browser! - Inbal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm pretty sure they understand you need some kind of computer to work on, you just don't have to own it, and you can move from computer to computer. As said in the article, although this could be an
advantage in certain cases, this point is actually the problem.
I think we should eliminate any difference that still exists between a desktop and a browser. When I start my computer, what I should see on my screen is my homepage (which is Netvibes, with everything I need to know immediately), and a "favourites" list instead of my programs list (what is the difference between going to My Programs and opening Word, and going to Favourites and opening your chosen word processor, except flexibility?). Any new window I open should be a tab in my "browser" (desktop).
Being able to find almost everything on my OS on the web is enough reason to merge the two concepts, but the fact that everything could be accessed from anywhere will never kill people's desire to have everything assembled and organized in their own way on their own private niche, so pushing the mobility aspect as the new default computer experience is a mistake, that might ruin the whole idea of creating a personal working area specifically customized for the user. - kherrick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3refresh 10 times or so.
- GT35R, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I tested this thing out. Its actualy not a bad OS. Pretty fast for a web based OS, somewhat stable. Applications are somewhat limited, atleast for now. I dont know where the future of this type of OS will be. Maybe for mobile devices like the DS/PSP/Hanhel? I dont know.
I dont think you will be able to run CPU % GPU intensiv apps. on this OS. - TheViewMaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1
Additional Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Computer - damber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1
Firstly, YouOS is a great idea that will hopefully spawn progression in a web based OS of some kind. I doubt that YouOS in its current form will be very succesful as a fully fledged or replacement OS in the vast majority of situations for many reasons, some of which have already been expressed above (such as multi-threading and other limitations with current web technologies - not to mention the resource consumption and response latency). However it can certainly be a very good accompaniment to your fat client PC until the model and technology develops.
Secondly, the article only speculates that this is a Google OS in development. First of all, check out the javascript framework being used - dojo. Which is supported by people like IBM and AOL : http://www.dojotoolkit.org/foundation/ but not by Google, who have built their own framework based on a Java backend (the GWT): http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/ I would have thought that Google would have used their own creation before relying on a foundation not affiliated with them, wouldn't you ? Of course they may be *secretly* involved with the dojo foundation, or they may indeed buy this company at some point.. but please, let's not brand everything as Google just because it is the company de jour... - SqueakyWheel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We could all run off the MIT laptop! I have gone through Citrix on my PDA to run heavy duty Matlab code on a Server.
- superterran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't see why you wouldn't be able to throw this on a USB key... with a standards compliant browser, you would be able to see the same desktop, running your desktop, without having to worry about drivers, screen resolution... anything like that... fast user switching by plugging in another key or typing in a web address. These things are about displaying content, not so much rendering or creating it. My father would love this. I, on the other hand, am happy with my laptop.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1wow this is stupid. laggy as hell and doesn't offer anything. woo a notepad,woo a half asses command prompt. woo a clock. woooo a browser inside a browser
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, it is damn strange that X Windows, Applets, Webstart, and other technologies that are widespread and work better than AJAX are not being used. Google calendar is damn impressive, and the GWTs (Red Pill) are a tour de force, but AJAX apps still have basic limitations: Google calendar, for example, won't keep multiple views synchronized. Open two browser windows, change a calendar in one, and you must refresh the other windows to see the change.
- Eeqmcsq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm assuming that by privacy, you mean having your files stored on some remote computer run by someone else that they could theoretically access at any time.
But a lot of people use web based email, like hotmail or yahoo, and I'm sure personal information gets written in emails and even the attachments, which are all stored somewhere on a server. It's possible that hotmail or yahoo is reading through people's emails or attachments. But most people don't seem to worry about it, or perhaps it's that they aren't even aware of that possibility. It may not be that much different for this web-based PC concept. - Papito585, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1YouOS is garbage. Try Goowy (http://goowy.com/) or EyeOS (http://eyeos.org/). I believe that these are much better than YouOS.
- gummih, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1You want a Google OS? HERE is your Google OS http://www.google.com/intl/en/options/ (in a windows 3.0 kind of way ;o)
- puneypunk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Ok I'm going to admit to not _fully_ RTFA or the comments for that matter, but this guy seems to know little about how it actually works. If the whole of UI with a bunch of applications was written in AJAX itwould be slow as *****. Not to mention that theres no hope in hell of this running on windows mobile or anything.
In my opinion hes a ***** tool - asfaltboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0YouOS is so not garbage .. maybe javascript easiness doesnt mean a lot to you but .. wow i can put like my pong on here and it will work everywhere :| ! thats amazing .....
** Anyway the design on goowy looks a bit ripped off but still amazing
** still checking eyeOS .. this looks like a new sorta design .. but will have to see about usability. - somejuan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There is no reason Google can't sell intranet servers that offer the same functionality, with all the data stored locally. Don't they already sell corporate search boxes?
- hombrelobo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yes, another way to get YouOS in Digg. Sad. And even worse, considering that http://eyeOS.info is far better ....
- srini91, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As one of the (biased) developers of YouOS, I would say that Goowy is not quite the same idea.
1) Goowy is a flash client heavily tied to its server. YouOS's server is completely separate from the client and is accessible via APIs - the youos.com client is just one of many possible clients to come.
2) YouOS persists the session of your apps. Leave YouOS, come back - it's exactly as you left it (Goowy resets your session).
3) Every app in YouOS is user created, cloneable, and extensible. Can't say the same for Goowy apps.
4) YouOS's file system is integrated right into the system and shell; apps can access it, create files and modify them. Not necessarily the case in Goowy, where files are handled by an external service.
Goowy does have better email, feed, and IM support - all of which we will eventually add to YouOS. - takatsuki06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow. It's almost like one of those emulators.
- markstafford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Try Mozy. I know the guy that writes the Windows client, and it's a trustworthy company - if you lose your encryption key, they can't recover it for you. You have sole custody.
- nayrX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This IS the way computing WILL be done in the future... Ignoring the limititations in capabilities and desirability in its early development, it is the concept itself which is important to consider. The incredible benifits from having a large, extremely powerful and well maintained system run by technicians serving as the central processor for your activities is without question. This is a very exciting step in the direction of great future technology. We should support the hell out of ideas like this.
- kherrick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1YouOS https://www.youos.com/ linked from the article has a cool chat that people were talking about digg... It made me think a "Digg Live" might be fun.
- tutivlahos, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Why not? I prefer google than any other company to keep my files.
- sideral, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I certainly don't trust google.
- jcnewsome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There was an article talking about how much spam Google has. they got a rough idea of how many sites were searchable by searching " " or something like that. Then, of those they looked at how many were in common spam domain handles. The percentage was pretty high.
Figuring out better methods of reducing the porn, spam, etc would probably be the most efficient method of furthering their company storage capacity right now, as opposed to increasing the size of their servers. - djgump35, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2not much of a system is it, wouldnt that suck if you did rely on something like this, and something like this happened.........
- firemcd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0LAG CITY!!!!!
- tutivlahos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1If you keep all the data in your HD, there is no mobility. If you keep it online, u can go to japan and still work, as you were with your HD with you, as your wallpaper icons will be the same. I think its cool.
And we need to choose a company to take care of our files for us. I think Google its the best one.
The future its inevitable. - nullmind, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Anyone ever heard of remote desktop? I do this everyday at work, I even do it on separate operating systems with VNC (Ubuntu from work on XP)
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