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- ryantollefson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Did you guys even read the article? It talks about how we should have a minimum of 45Mbps BOTH directions, and how the US is falling behind other countries who have connections up to 100Mbps. It basically says that we shouldn't be bending over for the phone companies and that we should demand that they offer better service.
I'd love to see some comments on how to do this, not about how my 5 Mbps up is cool. - mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"This is what happens when you get a Bush appointee as head of the FCC."
Well... seeing as how the article mentions 5.5 million californian homes should have fiber to the curb by 2000, I don't see your point other than slander.
Don't bring Bush into this... blame your local congressman that you morons forget about. They are your representatives and your senators represent your state... Why not try and do something productive instead of throwing your 2 cheap cents in... - MrBananas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Gotta love the American political hegemony. Leave up to the Democrats to subsidize a telco monopoly to deliver a pipe dream and leave it up to the Republicans to keep monopolistic big business fat and happy. This country has become such a scam.
- Kericr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Verizon was in the process of running fiber in the Tampa Bay area last year, but apparently they hired a bunch of installers who didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground, as they had several run-ins with the utilities by cutting power lines, cable lines, their own phone lines, and finally busted a water pipe that made everybody in the area have to boil their water for a week to assure it to be safe to drink. The city promptly revoked their permits and Verizon has been lobbying ever since to get them reinstated.
Can't say they're not trying, so I have no room to complain, and it's also the reason why I'm not digging this. - edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Class action law-suit? I'd sign up.
- G00mper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3>Yup, Fios is availible here in Northern Virginia as well. Came out last month in my neighborhood. $45/>month for 15 MBPS down and 2MBPS up.
Holy crap. I'm in NY; we pay $50/month for 5mbps/256kbps. I feel sad now. - Prod_Deity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Glad you do. I'm still stuck on DSL that is lower than 1mbps down & less than 512 up.
Is there anything we can do about this? Probably not. - HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The Telcos make too much money off of T1 lines to offer a 45Mbps DSL line.
I'm not sure of the actual price for a T1 line at this time but it is FAR more then what you pay for a 1.5/256 DSL line.
Face it, the Telcos are still not sure what do about the Internet. They see IP-phones and they are nervous. They have millions of dollars invested in switch equipment and the web of copper/fiber that crosses the country to give you access to the network.
In the past local service has been seen as a loss-leader. They make the money on the special features (caller ID, call waiting, etc...) that you put on top of your access line.
This model is similar to the console video game industry where you provide the console for a loss and make your money off the games.
IP-TV is on the way (and it could have been here many years ago) but one of the major stumbling blocks is the content owners. With the big move to high speed Internet the big media companies are worried about you (the customer) making direct digital copies of their content and distributing it for free. From what I have seen of the IP-TV roll-outs coming in the future is that they are being linked to a closed-source MS set-top-box. The idea is that by using MS DRM there will be "enough" protection on the content to allow us 'customers' to get the digital copies on our TVs.
The other side of IP-TV is the huge amount of bandwidth required for HD shows to cross over the network. to get a good solid HD show on your TV you will need about 20Mbps. Even with a 45Mbps service (which only works within about 1,000 ft of the remote terminal) you could only watch two different HD broadcasts in your home (if even two, you do want some bandwidth for Internet right?)
IP-TV will come, just not quite yet. What we may need instead is IP-TV-a-la-carte. A service where you subscribe to the shows you want to watch in HD and the box will download them ahead of broadcast time but not let you watch them until broadcast time. The standard def channels could work in real time as normal cable TV does.
Don't forget, the bottom dropped out of the bandwidth market in the 90's (why do you think it is cheaper to field calls from India rather then in the states???) and because of that many large companies are worried about investing heavily in a technology that will show limited or no profits. - HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For those who complain about the USA dropping from number one in broadband penetration...
Let's not forget that the land mass of a country such as South Korea or Japan is far smaller then the USA. Not too mention population density issues.
If I have 20 million people who live within 10 miles of my service I can give them all service quite cheaply compared to 20 million people who may live within 100 miles of my service center. - gol706, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Google Ad at top of page:
"Full DS3 45Mbps $1999/mo
Tier 1 ISPs. Compare ATT, MCI, etc. National Coverage. Wholesale Prices"
See, only $2000 a month! - buddyfarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"FYI: Fiber will never roll to your door. It hits a node first. The node takes the optical and throws it back onto copper feeder to your tap out front. A node in my local system serves about 5000 homes. You have no idea how much $ it would cost to actually roll fiber to your door. There will always be copper in the system."
actually I remember one of the schindlers talking about getting fiber to the home. they actually ran the fiber into their garage and had a fiber to copper converter there. from there it was a 100MB NIC that they plugged into. they got I think a 35MB connection. anyone remember that article? I can't find it but it was in one of their weekly newsletters. I beleive Deb Schindler wrote it? - tazamore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Most of you missed the point:
The Bells and Cables have been adding on extra fees to our bills for years to pay for this expansion and they pocketed the money.
F_ck bandwidth. I want my $2000. - MadFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You are not alone guys, Japan here...
I paid YahooBB for a 12Mbps and get a little less than 1Mbps... their IP Phone can't be used at the sametime as a simple web browsing...
Last time they tried to make me upgrade to 24Mbps I barely resisted the urge to sodomise the guy with a flamethrower.
I was having better connection in France in 1999... way to go rottensushiland... - mtupker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I can't afford broadband so I'm borrowing my neighbors
- drycounty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2this is an AD for a book, people.
I seem to recall I was also promised a jet pack a while ago.
Where's my jet pack!?! - Spacko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1$59.95 AUD for 256/128 ADSL here.
I fken hate Telstra. - Demagogue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"This is what happens when you get a Bush appointee as head of the FCC."
It would still be happening like this even if kerry or gore appointed somebody... - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1did you read the article?
- brickbat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Firstly, this quickly changed into a thread of bragging and bitching. I don't think that was the idea.
Secondly, as far as I know, fibre is asynchronous. You should get the same rate in both directions unless someone is cheating.
Thirdly, while it is something to look forward to, I fear the DRM hit that will likely come with this sort of potential traffic.
Finally, what must the backbones be like for them not to be the bottleneck? - jeromehorwitz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Geez another contractor abusing government funding, and then no one doing anything about it? Big surprise, no?
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11meg/1meg DSL, It's like 50 or 60 a month. I hate it.
- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"All broaband providers say you can't serve anything from home, bittorrent counts as running a server. We all break the ToU. They don't care, because they just limit our upload speeds by a whole lot to make up for it."
1) Not all broadband providers say that. Speakeasy (what I use) don't care what you do.
2) The don't just limit upload...they block ports. For example, Verizon blocks all port 80 traffic upstream just to make *sure* you don't dare run your own web server at home. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Forgot to mention that there's no cap, and I downloaded almost 1TB in a 3 month period.
- gnomicide, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So, let's talk about this.
I assumed the guy was going to say that the US gov't had given the telco's 200 billion in pork to build an information infrastructure, and they hadn't.
But what he's really saying is : since the US deregulated the phone business, all the excess profits should be spent on whatever congress wants.
You kind of saw this sort of argument during the prescription drug deal a few years back : i.e., anything short of nationalizing a company is a 'corporate giveaway'.
Only an idiot would assume that any company would voluntarily throw away money, which is what "fiber to every door" is. Of course other countries have better broadband than us, we're all over the freaking place. Look at this population density by country. You'll notice that South Korea is 12th, Japan is 18th, and the US is 143rd.
Plus, I'm not sure what activity requires all that bandwidth besides fileswapping. Games take tons of bandwidth and I've never had a problem, even when multiple people are playing the same game. - gnomicide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh, I guess you can't put href links in your comment :)
Population density chart is at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density - RKMBrown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Whoot Can't wait for it to make my central texas city.... Here is Verizon's availability list by state. Heh let's see if it's web site can handle the traffic.
http://www.fioslive.com/fios-availability.html - bogdon6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Boys, if you are so pissed off isn't there a market opportunity here? If there is such a pent up demand for really high speed internet, then why don't you are form a compandy and lay the fiber?
But is there really the pent up demand? What are the killer aps that needs that kind of bandwidth? Bittorrent of course, but what else? - leechri8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0How nice that everyone on the east coast gets such beautiful speeds, while in Michigan I am stuck with a whopping 6M down/384K up from Comcast who seems to like to rape their customers reguarly with stupid inane charges aside from the normal $45/month. With no competition or lack thereof in my area, its seems like we may never get those kind of speeds for the same price we pay now. In my experience working in the industry, we should be getting a hell of a lot better speeds than what is supposedly available to us currently.
- ecchichuu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I pay $29.99 for Optimum Online with 10Mb/1Mb. They are upgrading their entire network and offering 15Mb without any additional charges. And for another $10 a month I'll be able to double that to 30Mb/5Mb."
Same here except I pay $50 for the no cable tv package. Great to know about the upgrades coming.
You less fortunate guys... I dunno. I feel your pain though. Where do we complain about this? - kolobcreek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No joke, The best commercial Internet here is Comcast. 6Mbps down 712Kps up. It sucks I do a lot of uploading. And they not cheap. The local gov. had to step in and spend $30M to install fiber to every house in the city. They offer 10Mbps up and down for half the cost of Comcast. It is ridiculous. They could easily do 100Mbps.
Provo, UT - nihilator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"If I have 20 million people who live within 10 miles of my service I can give them all service quite cheaply compared to 20 million people who may live within 100 miles of my service center."
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It goes beyond that. Otherwise, the NYC area would have similar speeds....but it doesn't. In fact, quite the opposite, with slower speeds and higher prices than...northern VA. - bvaughn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Alot of people do have it.
Eatel offers cable, phone, and internet through fiber right now. - GreenStop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0HELL YEA!!!!!!!!1 I WANT MY 45MBPS!!!
Who do we send emaills too??? Complain too?? Pressure too?? We need Bush's email address!!!!!! - BritOverseas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ha,
My Road Runner dude (that now been out to my new house 5 times to fix their crappy service), says that their max uplink is 8 meg and 2 down. Bull$hit, I can't even get Skype to run properly in my area, had no problems in my old house. all this for the $100+ I give them every month for cable and internet.... - h2d2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I pay $29.99 for Optimum Online with 10Mb/1Mb. They are upgrading their entire network and offering 15Mb without any additional charges. And for another $10 a month I'll be able to double that to 30Mb/5Mb.
- Bluezdood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Seriously, I'm stuck with Comcast because Verizon is even slower. At best I get 4MB down. Upload on cable sux, which makes running any kind of server almost *ALMOST* pointless.
- llbbl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I HATE SBC DSL . $63 for 3 Mbps/256 Kmbs and it is really about 1/2 that SPEED!! Plus PPPoE connections suck Major frikkin ass!! My choices were very limited it was either that or cable through a EVEN WORSE company ignition networks or something like that. I can't remember exactly how to spell their name cause they had a funky spelling probably on purpose so no one can find their website to complain about them. They wanted $70 for 1.5Mbs / 128 Kmbs and you were forced to get the "community tv" basic television channels that come in over the airwaves for free!
- shoehorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It would be nice, I'm at 3mb/256kp...not too bad, but it could be better...
- dmr182, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Quit your bitching, I'm still on 56k because broadband isn't available in my area. :|"
Thank you. If you think your connection is so slow, you are always welcome to come download at my house at a whopping 2kb/s. - ToadPedestal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Funny, guys. Compare the US to Russia, rather than something the size of one or two of our states.
It would be a whole lot cheaper to run fibre through Delaware and serve all 300 million* US residents there, rather than in their real state of residence.
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for a major city backbone with fibre to the community and either wireless or 100mbit to the curb. Just make appropriate comparisons.
Don't even bring in Sweden, either, because if you consider them to be normal, you'd have to also ask why people in the US aren't fit when we see it obviously can be done.
*three-hundred million according to http://factfinder.census.gov/home/saff/ - UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I say we write to our legislators about this. That is what I am going to do.
- carlosglz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0We must stop these telecom monopolies from sucking our country dry. Meanwhile countries like Japan and Korea are deploying broadband 500 times faster than ours.
http://digg.com/technology/The_Stranglehold_of_Broadband_Monopolies_in_the_U.S. - kevincw01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Verizon is rolling it out as we speak so you can stop your bitching. Huntington beach, ca. and dallas, tx were their first cities.
- FelixdaaHack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0goldenatom (4) you make an excellent point
with fiber to the home (which is theoretically capable of 2 terabytes per sec) the limiting factor to u/l and d/l speeds will be the ISP's routers, especially if they have packet filtering apps like IPS, IDS, firewalls - Dabellah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+055 bucks for 9mbit down and 1mbit up through Cox Communications. They honor their quotes though, as I usually get even higher than that at 10-11mbits down =D
- Grahamdini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Madison, WI I get cable at 3 down and about 512 up for $10 a month with cable ($31.95 total per month for both).
- randal2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is ridiculous, i talked with a comcast rep, and he said "i cannot believe you pay that much for Internet, in Canada where i am it's cheaper and we have 40MB up/down".
America and all companies in America will never give you anything better then the bare minimum. Why? because there is no money to be made if there isn't room to charge you later.
Just yesterday i heard someone say how a company is really cool and for the people.. f#$# ignorant fool! No company is for the people, it's for the peoples money.
So sure, tax and cut and give the TELCO's a break, and then get 5MB service, or less... this is America people, what the hell did you expect? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Damn, Sbc Yahoo ADsl Here, 1536 KBps here, no real issues.. but is fios avaliable here in okc, oklahoma?
- theOster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0apparently none of you has seen the brooklyn infrastructure :)
- randal2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0VIOS:
Maximum Connection Speed* Monthly Price Range
Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95
Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95
Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps $179.95 - $199.95
heh.. where is the 45mb? where is the afforable pricing? comcast is better then this for 45$ a month.
There was a scam by the telcoms and they diserve the ENRON treament, just as does Haliburton (scams in the middle east).
But, it won't happen will it?
Just think about this as AT&T is whinning about not having a 2-tier web. -
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