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- Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11This story is worthwhile because many people on Digg are FIXING computers wtihout AGP or PCI-E slots.
- goat77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8He means PCI. I politely ask you to RTFA, or at least the description.
- 0mega, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Great for those who bought a dell and got screwed out of a PCIe or AGP slot :P
- underthewether, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7why didn't he compare it to a PCI-E or AGP Radeon X1300?
- richbradshaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This card is good for people with no AGP or PCI-e slot when Vista is avaliable - it's hard to find a PCI card that has Vista Glass support.
- jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What would you suggest?
I hate it when people complain, but don't offer any solutions. - shanzz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Holly Kammoly! good find dude! Now I dont have to change my Mother board!
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This story is worthwhile because the graphics card in my Mac Mini sucks and I want to upgrade it.
Oh wait.... - millardkillmore, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7This story is worthwhile because so many people reading Digg are running computers without AGP or PCI-E slots.
Oh, wait... - yodaj007, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6This is less like news and more like advertising.
- gweedo767, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This is 100% true. I know a lot of people that bought the $300-$400 special of the week and they ONLY have 1-2 PCI slots and that is all. This might give those machines a bit of breathing room now.
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+2Wow. Like a four digit model number is really hard to comprehend. X1300 is far from "RADEON X7841814371437413413817413". 256MB is just a specification; the card itself is an X1300. Jesus, do Nokia phones confuse you as well? They're all named 3310, 3330, 8020i and such..
I know you were just exaggerating, but when you break it down and compare it to how all products are named, it's not all bad :-) - dengar69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I kinda like the idea of using this card for dedicated physics, I hope its implemented by software developers in the near future.
- JohnChapin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I bought one of these yesterday. It was the perfect tool for adding two more displays to my desktop, which I am using right now... My primary card is an ATI AIW 9600 Pro I bought a few years back. In terms of performance this card was a perfect fit considering it wasn't an obscene difference in capability between either way. Most retailer sold PCI Cards are a little behind the times in terms of DirectX or even OpenGL support. So I highly recommend it if you have an AGP system with an existing ATI product and want to add a couple of displays.
Check out gpureview.com, although they don't have stats on the PCI X1300, it was very helpful in making my decision. - tomhutchinson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I also have the BFG 6200 PCI card, and it seems to do much better than the X1300 PCI card that they are talking about. I can play HL2 at 1024x768 with all settings on high (no AA or filtering) at a decent framerate.
I would definitely suggest the 6200 over the X1300 for anyone without an AGP or PCI-e slot. - theragu40, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Did you read the article?
- evilspoons, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Many of the HP computers based on the Pentium 4 and Pentium D that I sold at Costco over the summer didn't have AGP slots (or PCI-E for that matter) for reasons I cannot comprehend. Some of them looked like they were supposed to have the slot but they just decided not to solder the connector onto the pads.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Er, fastest for the minimum requirements for modern graphics.
"I don't remember any PCI bus that went up to 16X UNTIL YOU GET TO PCI-E" - Alex.w, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Would an x1300 preform that much better than the onboard? My system has an x1300 onboard, and it is poor..
It also has two PCI-Express slots, I bought it because I couldn't afford the board, chip, ram and two x1800s at the same time. - theragu40, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Does anyone know if there is a comparison somewhere of this card and the fastest nVidia PCI card out there, the Geforce 6200 256mb OC PCI from BFG?
- theragu40, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wrong, they can be upgraded. It's just a pain in the ass. And yes, this card would destroy your onboard graphics card as far as performance goes. There is no comparison between integrated and dedicated, even if the dedicated card is a piece of crap compared to other dedicated cards.
EDIT: Wait, you have two PCI-e slots?! Then why are you even considering a purchase of a PCI only card? For under a hundred bucks you can do FAR better than this card. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes. You guys do believe in typos, right? AGP doesn't go to 16X. As you've just shown. And yes, I meant AGP. Only because AGP is the fastest for graphics for modern graphics cards. I can't imagine PCI (NOT PCI-E) being fast enough for this.
Oh, and no need to be rude.
So: AGP's fastest is 8X right? I don't remember any PCI bus that went up to 16X. - Lane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1its kinda like trying to drink a shot with a thimble
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The perfect affordable physics acceleration card?"
Now that's an interesting thought. However, no, it's not the perfect physics card. The perfect card would still be PCIe. PCI adds too much latency, as demonstrated by the miserable performance of Ageia's card. - cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+1@remotecontempt
You are correct. It is not that they don't have PCI-E slots, it is that they only have PCI-E 1x slots. As you stated, there are not many cards which support 1x, but some x1300's have been popping up to help out. For example - http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32749
>>The chip is clocked to 450MHz core with 500MHz memory and it competes with Matrox's G550 milenium card. The card targets Dell, HP and IBM machines that don't have real PCIe 16X slots and the older chipsets such as Intel i910GL, i915PL/GL/GV, i945GZ come with PCIe x1 but without PCIe x16. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1vista glass support is lame, have u actually seen it? its not that great at all nothing fancy
- shredswithpiks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@remotecontempt
the dell GX620s definitely have a x16 slot... I'm just assuming those are what we're talking about. - danceparty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1you suck with your questions marks. advertising *****.
- xNaquada, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Do you even know what your saying? A 8xPCI slot? Do you mean AGP?
1/2/4/8x AGP
1x/4x/8x/16x pci-e - remotecontempt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Wow, they really put 512MB of VRAM on that thing?
Talk about a waste of good memory. I mean, there should be a bunch of cards with only 256MB and probably a couple 128MB cards that outperform the X1300. - silverstrike, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1and you have a massive wallet? Why not just buy a couple $30 old PCI cards? As long as they support your choosen desktop resolution, whats the difference?
- SlickMeister, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Yeah, that would be very helpful...I myself have the 6200 on PCI and it runs on 350/400 Mhz speeds. If anyone else has the 6200 I doubt it will be a worthy upgrade as I believe the 6200 has better OpenGL and DirectX support compared to this ATI card and therforeI feel you can achieve the nVidia 7300/7600 Image Quality the screenshots showed in the article. The 6200 will obviously not work wonders with Frame Rates but it allows you to play almost ANY on today's latest games and churns out some awesome visuals. So...ATI...not the way to go with the PCI as I also found with their PCI 9250.
- nufoto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Bummer no Mac drivers would love to upgrade my old PPC tower!
- gothsquirrel, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Every Dell Here at my office has PCI express slots. I don't know why simple office desktops have them but they do, so it is just all about if you knew what to buy when you were buying.
- michaelothomas, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2So there are roughly a dozen video card reviews EVERY DAY of the week from a couple dozen different websites...why is this one on the front page of digg and not ever any of the others? oh, because it's hardocp.com, funny that.
- bonked, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Many Dell and other "out of the box" PCs have a graphics "card" embedded in the motherboard that cannot be upgraded/swapped VeryAngryJim.
- msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Stupid article. Marked as lame.
TFA says that the card is more expensive than it's PCI-E counterparts and assumes it's because of the extra silicon on the card. Chips are usually only 1 to 5 dollars bought one at a time, and while R&D may be a little more because of it, the biggest reason this card has a 40% markup over a PCI-E version is 'supply and demand'. There aren't many people out there who still buy PCI versions of accelerated graphics cards, which means they will manufacture less at a higher cost.
There is no arbitrary 'higher cost for using PCI' like the article claims. It's a dying technology and you have to pay the price for legacy hardware. I'm sure if you tried to go buy a 16bit ISA graphics card today it would cost you an arm and a leg, but in 1995 they were pretty damn cheap (relative to the market).
Also, those who spend $300 dollars on a computer and only have PCI slots either:
a) know exactly what they are getting and accept that modern games won't play great on it
b) too ignorant to know what they bought and will likely be unwilling to spend 1/3rd again as much as the computer cost to get graphics
c) ignorant of what they bought (often Dell doesn't provide this information) and struggle through the experience by buying products such as this and usually when they could have spent the same money on something decent
frostedflakes:
I agree with you about the suffixes of "MAX, XTREME, GT". Those are confusing and don't describe the products very well, but the numbers like 7900 and X300 are card models, and usually (but not always) the higher the number the better the card. A geforce 7600 comes from a different and newer family of components than a 6800. Performance is usually relative to the other hardware they add. A bargain-bin 7000 series card will often underperform a high end 6000 series. - remotecontempt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0@gothsquirrel
Are you sure they're PCI-E x16 slots? I know Dell has been shipping alot of boards with one or two PCI-E x1 slots lately. And although there are video cards for those slots, it's limited to a couple of workstation cards that Matrox has produced. - frostedflakes, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I am tired of the names for these things, RADEON X7841814371437413413817413 ULTRA MAX - or - Geforce 8483838 GT, MAX, EXTREME, etc. These are just exaggerations, but Christ.
- wgerik, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3I'm running a computer without AGP or PCIe, ass. In fact, I have several machines that could still be put to good use with a card like this. So shaddup.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1PCI's fastest is 8X, right? I don't remember any PCI bus that went up to 16X. That is, not until you went to PCI-Express. But then you're talking about PCI-E, not AGP. Or am I interpreting the tech wrong?
I can't imagine this card being very fast. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0I have the x1300 512 PCI-e
It runs nice, but I dont play games, so not real sure how good it does under pressure.. - VeryAngryJim, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6What the hell kind of slot does Dell use?
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