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- NineT9mustang, on 02/12/2008, -5/+38I absolutly love this laptop too! Good god is it one of the best peices of equipment ive ever had... when searching for my laptop I only cared about 1 thing: portability...and after looking at just about every single laptop out there, Sony won me with this laptop... it sure was a pretty penny, but no regrets, you gotta pay for the Sony name, and it pays off :D
Funny, Apple says its new slim Macbook Air is the smallest/thinnest notebook.. which is completly wrong :) This TZ is smaller & lighter. Powerwise im not sure which is better, they both kinda suck...but when you buy a notebook this small, your buying it for portability, not power... i only need to surf the net and listen to music/movies on mine... i have my pc for games, video editing, other major stuff
anyway, no need to compare this to the Macbook Air, they are both sexy, small, portable, and cost a ton... Comparing the two is like comparing a ferrari to a lamborghini... who friggin cares they are both nice :) :) - sockpuppets, on 02/12/2008, -1/+21Your mom found her keys?
- rossfly, on 02/12/2008, -1/+19I love this laptop! The keyboard is really neat (doesn't have cracks for dust), the outside finish is nice, and the whole look of it is just beautiful. It's great as ultra-mobile laptop. Though sadly, it's kinda pricey. Smaller doesn't always equal lesser price.
This is awesome. - u8myfoood, on 02/12/2008, -2/+14There where ultra-portables even before the MBA, and Sony HAS BEEN making them for a lot longer than Apple.
Sony has always been associated with great battery life and lightness, but also at a premium, but they seem to be quite reliable despite the flimsy feeling of the screen part of the laptop. - diieson, on 02/12/2008, -0/+11Huge Thinkpad fan right here and I couldn't agree with you more. These things are bulletproof, fast, and made for portability!
- Tippis, on 02/12/2008, -0/+10It's for office use on the go, and it fills that role *very* well.
- inactive, on 02/12/2008, -3/+12AGAIN SONY HAD THIS BEFORE THE AIR !
Mactards always living in their own world, and expect others to live in it too.
The better Sony selection is the hybrid drive anyway. - inactive, on 02/12/2008, -1/+9I don't think the type of consumers that buy from Dell would pay 3 grand for a tiny laptop with half the power of a $1000 regular laptop and no optical drive whatsoever.
- sugga, on 02/12/2008, -4/+12Nice laptop, but Thinkpads are the better business machines bar none. Better build, more options and priced less than Sony.
- pintomp3, on 02/12/2008, -2/+10.76" vs .89" isn't "twice as thin". and it uses carbon fiber, not plastic. even with the lower weight, you are getting a firewire port, 2 usb ports, finger print reader, ethernet and modem ports, vga port, and a card reader.
- daverave999, on 02/12/2008, -0/+8ROFL no. Who cared about how thin they were before the MBA? Nobody. That 2" of extra screen still needs to be fitted into your bag. I think your understanding of the term 'plastic' also needs updating to include modern composites.
- inactive, on 02/12/2008, -8/+15I just have to know: why on earth would anyone by a $2,000 - $3,000+ laptop that doesn't even have an optical drive?
I just don't get it.
"i have my pc for games, video editing, other major stuff"
So what's the purpose of the laptop then? You paid 3 grand for a word processor and web browser? - Tippis, on 02/12/2008, -1/+8Call me daft, but I fail to see the pressure here. O_o
The TZ series, and the TXes before it, has always been the "hottest ultraportable" by a large margin. The size and lack of features on the Air (unfortunately) never made it a threat to the Sony offerings. This looks more like the standard yearly Vaio boost, which would have happened anyway.
I agree that competition is good, but the Air isn't it, and Sony still doesn't really have any in this segment :-( - Tippis, on 02/12/2008, -0/+5PDS, not so much, since they're still a bit too feeble and to small to be used comfortably.
Traditional notebooks, hardly at all, since they weigh far too much and take up too much space.
The 11-12" fills a middle ground that makes them better at this than smaller and bigger models - YuriSakazaki, on 02/12/2008, -4/+9So does a PDA or a traditional notebook, both of which are less than a quarter of the price.
- scott12087, on 02/12/2008, -0/+5I'd like to see SSDs become more common not just in ultra-portables, but in other laptops and desktops. I'd definitely flip the bill for the drive if it means the OS will run ultra fast, but I don't really need an ultra portable.
- inactive, on 02/12/2008, -1/+5They had this BEFORE the Apple Air has. Actually a few makers have!
The screen is a hell of a lot more sturdy then anything Apple has as well. - krische, on 02/12/2008, -0/+4@ElAssoWipo, you can upgrade an Apple laptop about as much as you can upgrade a PC laptop. Hard drive and ram is about all you can do.
- rexxars, on 02/12/2008, -1/+5I have the 11" regular HDD version of this laptop, and I must say I couldn't be happier;
* The battery life is insane, I can watch Xvids for 6 hours without problems, or do web development for 7.5-8 hours! And that's with the regular battery.
* It's dead silent (I don't even know if it has a fan, never heard it)
* The model I have has an internal DVD-R/RW.
* Keyboard is as good as laptop keyboards get, all the keys in the right places (ctrl in bottom left, for once).
* 1.2KG, it's liiiight :-)
Good thing my job paid for it, or I would be broke :-) - cawpin, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3We'll probably never know since it only has one hard drive.
- u8myfoood, on 02/12/2008, -1/+4To the Grammar Nazi's sorry; *were*
- Tippis, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3Having a 2" larger screen means you can't set it down everywhere you need to.
The Air is cheaper because it's less portable -- and portability is *the* price-worthy feature in this segment.
Also, the TX/TZ completely *annihilates* the Air when it comes to battery lifetime (even more so since you can replace them), which makes the difference in portability even larger in the Vaio's favour. - bigsteve, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3If they follow the CD and DVD burner price trails from $700 to $70, about 3 years. I remember working at Best Buy the day the first (gasp!) IDE CD Writer hit the shelves at a whopping $730.
- DiscoLando, on 02/12/2008, -1/+4Will we ever see a unification of storage between 'short-term' RAM and 'long-term' Hard Drives/SSDs? What if there were one giant ubiquitous block of storage that was as fast as RAM? Would it require serious re-engineering of Filesystems and OSes? Would there be any practical benefits?
I can imagine a truly 'instant-on' PC... no more File->Save, etc... but is there any benefit beyond that? - jakem1, on 02/12/2008, -2/+5Considering the fact that there are only three fanboys out there who wasted their money on an Air I fail to see how it made anything mainstream.
- jaydoug, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2What I hate is the fact that it has an EXTERNAL DVD-R/RW
- selfdisplaced, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2i think their main problem, maybe you noticed this with thumb-drives. but if you try to use it to do two things at one, they are god-awful. try copying a large video file to a thumbdrive, then copy a different one, watch your time...
- frostw, on 02/13/2008, -0/+2Yeah, my Sinclair Spectrum had one in 1983!
- bigsteve, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2I love the TX/TZ form factor, every time I pass the SonyStyle store in the mall I always go in and have a look. But does anyone see an SSD -AND- a spinning disk hard drive in the same machine as sort of breaking from what an ultra-portable should be? Sure it's nice to have the storage, but... at the cost of battery life, more heat and therefore more cooling needed, slightly more weight, more fragility... I don't know, when I saw this model "coming soon" on Sony's Vaio site the 250GB drive spec on the list confused me. I thought it'd be a really slim, small USB powered hard drive.
But hey, I guess for all those who need tons of storage in a tiny laptop, here you go... - Tippis, on 02/12/2008, -1/+3Don't be too hard on the poor fellow -- the TX and TZs *have* traditionally had internal optical drives, so it's an easy assumption to make.
On this model, though, the second HD takes the place of the optical. - vassar, on 02/13/2008, -0/+2The Sony TZ notebooks have a smaller screen (11 in) than the MBA and costs much more. The cheapest one is $2200 with a 1.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor, $2400 for a 1.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor, $2800 for 1.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor, and $3700 for 1.33 GHz GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor, with 64 GB SSD and 250 GB HD.
The Sony TZ weights 2.7 lbs, 1.2 inch thick, maxes out at 2 GB RAM, and comes with Vista (Woo Hoo)!
I keep my 3 lb MBA with a 1.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor! - Agret, on 02/13/2008, -0/+2You should google for "i-ram" by gigabyte, it takes 4 seconds to boot XP off it o:
- jollins, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2Apple wasn't the first with that type of keyboard, if thats what you're getting at.
- Tippis, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2The thing is, the ultraportable segment is one where the customers generally aren't all that concerned about the cost -- small size trumps everything. This means that you can *actually sell* SSDs in this segment without making the customers faint.
Also, ultraportables benefit from SSDs far more than other kinds of computers. They generally need small and cool drives, which means that they tend to be quite slow -- no so with SSDs. They also have small batteries, and the HUGE power savings you get from a SSD over a standard drive really matters (or allows you to put a better processor in without any net loss in battery life). - jakem1, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2How often do you really use a DVD drive though? You're not going to be gaming on a laptop like this and it's not that hard to get digital versions of movies these days. My laptop doesn't have a DVD drive and I've never missed having one.
- PueSi, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2That would be ultra expensive although i would like to see a working prototype or something.
- colorme, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2I thought that there were already ways to allocate some files to permanent storage on your RAM. Maybe I'm just thinking of applications that preload to memory at boot, though.
Although, as soon as you lose power, you lose the data, right? - wcarolyn, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2What happened to hybrid drives? It seems like we're skipping it and going directly to SSD.
- Patrikimo, on 02/12/2008, -2/+4Maybe some people do, but not I (and the people I have talked to). OS X is a superior OS compared to Windows in almost every way and it has the power of Linux with a cohesive GUI. I won't buy a machine where I am tied to Windows, although it's nice to be able to run windows for the 1 or 2 occasional programs I need it for. I bought my first Mac because of the OS (I required a Unix variant) and because of the battery life, which at the time the Powerbooks could run for 4.5 hours compared to the nearly every PC maxing out around 2.5 hours (without a special battery). When I upgraded I went Apple again (even with the price premium) because I had really good experiences with their customer service. Things have gotten better for PCs because they started building hardware designed to be a laptop, but in general PCs still have issues with sleeping correctly, and battery life seems to be a little behind the Apples. I am not a fanboy by any standard, I don't like the Macbook Air nor will I buy one, but they do fill a rather small niche for some people. And if OS X starts to run into bugs such as are seen in Windows I won't be willing to pay a premium on my next machine, that being said Apple has had a serious OS for the better part of a decade and seem to put security and stability and not the buck as stop design considerations, so things look good.
- krische, on 02/12/2008, -1/+2Uh, last time I checked, the Air and this laptop were never meant to be powerful. They were meant to be portable. Big difference.
- DarkDx, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1Ignore the fanboys. Move along. That's the only way we'll end them.
- selfdisplaced, on 02/12/2008, -1/+2can we maybe just have a 8 gig hybrid drive? i mean if you are only going to be running windows off of it, why not just have it smaller?
or with vista can you still not install programs on a seperate drive? - Foot56, on 02/12/2008, -4/+5I hate to know the battery life, running two hd's?
- DarkDx, on 02/12/2008, -1/+2Ok, your fanboyism got in to my nerves. I went to your profile and buried all of your fanboy comments.
- colorme, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1I'm pretty sure that while read times are slick, write times are slower than their non-solid-state brethren.
- angrydingo, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1I wish they would upgrade its graphic card to GMA X3100. This new TZ is still using GMA 950 which can barely run Aero Glass in Vista.
New GMA X3500 has been available for desktop line for a while. And soon will be released for laptop as well. When that happen, this TZ2 series will look very dated. I mean, for laptop this expensive, I expect it to have better integrated graphic card. - melat0nin, on 02/14/2008, -0/+1krische: no it doesn't.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/obsolete
My computer is obsolete and I am writing this, am I not? - melat0nin, on 02/14/2008, -0/+1and 'Nazis' :)
- emberjohn, on 02/12/2008, -3/+4Atlast, The beast is on the prowl.
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -0/+1 All laptops are portable. That's the entire point of a laptop.
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