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- gaqua, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30You need a 1.21 GW PSU for that.
- FrankTheCrazy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24usb arc welder here we come!
- gaqua, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Would you even realistically be able to draw 2000W from a wall outlet without tripping the circuit breaker?
- shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20if desktop pc's go beyond needing 500w of juice i'm going back to the abacus.....
- LordSkywalker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18...88MPH
- Zygo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I think they just created this product to get some marketing buzz. No one really needs a 2000W PSU, even 1000W PSUs are way overkill for most people.
- sparkmonkeyz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Oh sweet, I was looking for a power supply that could power my neighborhood. I'll have to pick one of these up.
- demitri, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16of course... many electric water heaters contain two 4500W heating elements... granted that's off a 240V line and wall outlets are 120V in the US... but it seems logical to me that 2000W can be drawn off a wall outlet... assuming there aren't any other major appliances on the same circuit.
- Kahnza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@pyrotechnick
Yeah but using more and more extreme methods of cooling isn't the way to go. Lower power consumption and therefore less heat is the way to go. - drexor69, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13That's just insane...
I suppose it would allow you to drive your Time Flux Capacitor without needing to travel at 80MPH and might even allow you to travel in time without having to shell out the ducks for a DeLorean... - AReallyGoodName, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"Depends on how many Amps its drawing, most houses are fitted with 16 amp CBs so unless your using your dryer, washing machine, lights and a whole heap of other appliances it won't trip."
16amps * 120V (as standard in the US) = 1920Watts maximum
So it WILL trip the circuit breaker at full load in the US.
In 240V standard countries most circuits take 10amps so they can handle this just fine though. - jamend, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The power supply can't sustain 2000W of continuous power. The rating is the sum of all the power rails, but all the rails can't run at full capacity at the same time (though they come close). It doesn't matter anyways, chances are nothing will ever come close to the sustainable maximum. Even something like a quad core/SLI system would only take about ~700W under load.
Also, Ultra power supplies are flashy garbage. In that price range, one should look for reliability, efficiency, and low noise levels. Ultra fails at all three. - ksponge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7*Invests in local power company*
- GruntboyX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Everyone is forgetting the square root of 2 !!!!
Its RMS people.
The power supply is rated for 2000 Watt DC. from the wall that means
120 (rms) x 15 Amp (rms) = 1800 watt (rms)
120*sqrt(2) x 15*sqrt(2) = 3600 watt
169.7 (V) x 21.2 (A) = 3600 watt
3600 watt > 2000 watt. It will still run on a standard 15 amp (rms) house hold circuit breaker.
Now if you take into the supply inefficiencies then
Power out / Power in = 2000 watt / 3600 watt = 55.5 % As long as this supply is that efficient it will run on a standard house hold breaker. And considering most computer supplies are efficient switching supplies then there will be no problem to pull 2000 watts from the wall.
RMS = Root mean square which means what comes out of the wall has been divided by sqrt(2)! if you stick your multimeter in wall socket you will notices that your sticking an RMS multimeter in the wall socket which is why it comes out 120 V.
The power supply still has plenty of head room. - leoedin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7personally, I'm looking forward to having a small nuclear power station instead of a PSU - that way I won't even need to plug my computer in!
- ronin688, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@Kahnza
That's the smartest thing I've seen said in a while. Of course it's something I myself have been preaching too, so I guess I'm biased...
The increasing trend of MORE POWER, MORE HEAT, BETTER COOLING, has to have an end. It used to be that electronics in general, and computers specifically got progressively smaller and smaller. Computers used to need seperate buildings or rooms, and industrial strength cooling. They continued to shrink dramatically for decades, then suddenly it seems like we're reaching diminishing returns. You can't just keep throwing more power at processors forever. It's time for innovation, not regurgitation. Something is just wrong with the idea of a 2000w PSU.
The traditional PC as we know it is due for a complete shift in technology, it's not a matter of if.. it's a matter of when. Someday we'll look back at motherboards and memory and hard drives the way we look back at the tube-based computers of the 50's.
Meanwhile I've got a PC with 7 fans and a 600w PSU......sigh..... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I remember a MaxPC article that told the tale of an Ultra PSU that completely messed up the wiring of the room they tested the PSU in. And, like evilspoons said, you'd have to have a 25 amp breaker to be able to get the full capacity of this thing--that's more than the typical office copier requires IN A ***** POWER SUPPLY.
- evilspoons, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I don't really think so, since 120 Vrms (assuming the upper range of typical North American power systems) times 15 amps (the typical circuit breaker) gives you 1800 watts (rms). So unless they're quoting peak values (which is sneaky and reminds me of those $20 "500W" computer speaker systems), getting 2 kW off of one wall outlet is rather unlikely.
- thumbup, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6It's just a pointless numbers game, much like megapixels, GHz and others.
- Gizza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"The Ultra X3 Modular 2000W PSU has a footprint that is similar to the PC Power & Cooling 1000W power supply."
Its not twice as big.
"With the PC Power & Cooling 1000W power supply running $599.99 at Newegg,"
"Ultra doesn't expect this power supply to cost more than US $499!"
According to the article this PSU will be cheaper than 1 1000W PSU
Try reading the article instead of just looking at the pictures. - srodolff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Finally!
A PC power supply for Tim Taylor.
Oh ho ho ho ho! - TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Over Kill.
Companies need to spend more time making energy more power efficient by removing the need to use 2000Watt power supply's :S - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Ugh, NO ONE needs a 2000W power supply. I don't care if you have 4 SLI video cards running at full capacity. You just don't need that kind of juice. This sort of thing appeals only to the ePenis crowd.
- maninblac1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The only reason that is recommended is because most home wiring is 12 or 14 gauge, larger wire, 10 gauge can do that kind of current without problems. Larger wire, higher current capacity, less risk of fire.
- maninblac1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If i understand what you're saying, which i'm not sure i do, because if i understand what you're saying
That is the most electrically retarded thing you could do. You can't connect two different indepented eletrical circuits to one output (the PSU), the voltage inconsistancies between the two circuits would cause feedback current on one or the other, there's no way you can garuntee the phase and amplitude of one independent circuit is in sync with the other. (that is if that was what you were trying to say) - JernejL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2probably, but no pc uses that much power, if they did, you could probably observe a electron-whirpool forming at the outlet from the computer sucking so much power.
- Beanseh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4jiga W
- capran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't know about you guys, but if I'd be concerned about the electric bill with a system built around this! Assuming the CPU, GPU, drives came close to the 2kW max, at about $0.08 per kilowatt hour, that's $0.16/hr, or $3.84/day, or $115.20 a month!!!
INSANE.
I for one will never own such a thing. - AforAlexander, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4In breaking news: American lifestyle infiltrated the computer electronics market.
On a serious note, perhaps the time is long overdue for computers to become more energy efficient. Given, they are becoming more and more powerful but the energy requirements are vastly increasing aswell - not to mention the heat output! Maybe manufacturers should look into using that emitted heat as an energy source somehow. - binarymayhem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2wow, first $800 Graphics cards now $499 dollar power supplies.
how long before I need a nuclear reactor to play video games? - Salgat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Unfortunately people's concept of computer capacity is dependent on the amount of current and voltage it requires. Efficiency is always something I focus on, and this is just sad. A personal computer should never use the same energy as 40 incandescent light bulbs.
- computergod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That is happening, look at the power consumption vs performance of Pentium D processors compared to te new core2 lineup.
- daedalus779, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2this is a sign we need to start developing hardware that consumes less power.
- dangermen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2People.... vote with your cash. Don't buy that *****. Companies need to innovate not brute force their way through problems.
- there, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1
One more reason the energy sector is destined to remain profitable for a long time to come. - maninblac1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@gruntboyx
Yeah, it's RMS, but you forget what RMS means (it's the mean, the average), it means the effective DC voltage at the output is root 2 of the sine wave. Meaning the maximum DC power you can pull from the circuit is 120V * max amperage, no more.
You can't see the full power out of the circuit because the circuit doesn't stay at a constant 170V, it's a sine wave, it is transient and therefore we must use the RMS when analizing power. This is why power factor correction is a big deal, most power supplies waste power while AC is switching and in europe they have to pay for that wasted power, pfc fixes it, but in the US we don't worry about it. - maninblac1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I hate to say it, but i'm going to call bulls--t.
- maninblac1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Amen my friend, i'm looking at getting lian li's 30 HDD box, good stuff.
To answer the other question, what do you store, anything and everything, why not? You give a nerd 5TB of HDD space and they will fill it, it's like a natural order or something. I'm working on filling my 1.5TB array, just takes time. - maninblac1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@qaqua
You're kidding right, each GTX is rated for 175W of electrical power(that's important i'm not talking about TDP's or anything), PCIe connectors from a PSU only supply 135W, that's why it needs two. 175 x2 is 350W, add in an intel quad core with peak wattage of 200W (we'll play conservative here) and you're already at a 550W peak, not including fans, drives, accessories, etc. Put it this way, you won't be "gaming" on a rig with only a 600W supply in it. - rtini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What a waste of resources... Running that thing would be like having 33 light bulbs turned on at once in your house. Hard on your electric bill, hard on the environment.
My 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro uses an 83watt power supply, and it's only plugged in about 60% of the time I use it... - sk545, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this folks, is the downfall of computer gaming. Just who the hell wants to stick in a 2000Watt PSU in ANYTHING at all, nevermind a computer. Instead of making things cooler and more efficient, PC components just keep coming out with newer and more demanding hardware. How about we optimize software instead?
- Blazer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have seen a 500w PSU powering a quad SLI setup + 4 SCSI hard disks + SCSI adapter....I think 2K watts is a bit overkill.
- SuperRoach, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just curious - what do you store so much on with all that space?
- chrismcelligott, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Depends on how many Amps its drawing, most houses are fitted with 16 amp CBs so unless your using your dryer, washing machine, lights and a whole heap of other appliances it won't trip.
- EmmEff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Given Ultra's stellar reputation for quality products, it should also be noted that it's also the shortest life power supply in the industry.
Some lamer^H^H^H^H^Hgamer probably thinks they need this... - Malakin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The people saying you can't get more then about 1800 watts from most household wall sockets in North American are correct (most are 15A). This is why items such as toaster ovens, electric kettles, space heaters, etc, tend to use around 1500-1600 watts, more and they would be too likely to trip the breaker.
Assuming this power supply was 80% efficient, which is optimistic, it would then need 2500 watts from the outlet to run at full load. - bobbknight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes if the wall outlet is on a twenty amp breaker.
- glenneroo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3for all you playa hatas saying NOBODY NEEDS THIS, just because your weakling 3GHZ duo-core SLI boxes with 2 hard drives in RAID0 *gasp* doesn't use up more than 400W, doesn't mean there aren't people who need a bit more....
all i know is that i'm running 14 SATA hard drives with an X2 CPU in a CoolerMaster STACKER case (9 drives inside) and another 5-bay SATA enclosure sitting on the ground behind it not to mention a TON of fans. I just overloaded my 750W PSU (with just 10 drives, granted the PSU wasnt supply enough on the +5V rails) and so i had to buy a 2nd 500W PSU (which thankfully the CM case is built for 2 PSUs ;) Though i'm guessing i'll have to throw that into a new box soon and get another 750 or 1000W instead... just wondering how this is gonna be for my house circuit :/
I was shopping around for something like this, but firstly 1000W PSUs cost WAY too much and 2ndly like everyone has pointed out, something like this on full load would destroy my circuits! Then again i'm in Europe running on 240V .. does that matter? Prolly not.. amps - gaqua, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the only way to get anywhere near 1KW is to load up a box with hard drives. Even a quad-core system with SLI 8800GTXs can be run on a good 500-600W PSU.
- NorQue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is so stupid, it kills me! Let's say you get like 1000 W stable out of this Monster... that's 1 kWh. You play for four hours per day, that equals 4kWh/d. Per year that's 365d*(4kWh/d)=1460 kWh. According to a big German electricity provider (http://www.enbw.com/content/de/der_konzern/enbw/neue_gesetzgebung/stromkennzeichnung/index.jsp) about 260 grams CO2 per kWh are blown into the atmosphere each kWh they produce... that means you ***** blow
0.26kg*1460kWh = 379.6kg
roughly 380 kg CO2 into the air each year just for your power sucking monster PC! Keep in mind that that's for four hours a day, it's six times this amount if you leave it running 24/7. -
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