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- Philgrr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@Pharoah777
I think you might have missed the point that daborg was trying to make. Blu-Ray could now have serious competition because HD-DVD can now offer an easy migration path from regular DVD.
Buy a triple layer HD-DVD and watch your film on a regular DVD. Then in the future when you upgrade your DVD player to a HD-DVD you can watch the HD version of the same film in all it's HD goodness from the same disk without having to buy another copy. - ditoa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I think people are missing the point here. This takes the sting out of migrating to the next generation format. You can go out and buy a DVD/HD-DVD hybrid now and play it in your regular DVD player then in 2 years when you are looking at buying your next gen optical format you will already have HD-DVD versions of movies on the same disc! Its a good idea and it will causes a lot of problems for Sony IMHO. All the movie companies need to do is starting creating DVDs with an HD-DVD side as well and they are increasing their userbase. It certainly makes HD-DVD more attractive to me, even if it means I might have to pay a bit more for the disc, as it means I will only need to buy one copy of a film rather than rebuy all my movies again like I would have to do on BluRay.
- KMartSheriff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Soooo, can Blu Ray not do this same thing? You all scream "Now Sony's gonna lose!" but what if they do the same thing?
Also, can I borrow one of your guy's time machines? I mean, so many of you seem to have already seen the future... - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Yeah, well, let's see how much a DVD/HD-DVD hybrid will cost. I bet they will try to slug us extra for what is still the one movie.
- WanderingGuru, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This is the kind of development I've been waiting for to see how this whole Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD would end up. If Toshiba can implement this ASAP and start getting new DVD releases to support this, HD-DVD will have a lock on the next generation media format.
Not to mention this could also be a major benefit to MS and the 360. Developers could now have the option of creating a HD version of a game and down-sample it for the standard 360 DVD drive, thus allowing the people who get the HD attachment drive to actually get some practical use out of it. - Qoogirl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Exactly!
I don't know too many people who want to upgrade their DVD players to start buying new HD-DVD discs that will only play on HD-DVD players. But if this does come true, which I hope it does, the upgrade transition to HD-DVD and HDTV could go over a lot smoother. This is the same sort of foresight that made DVD/VCR hybrid players so popular at first. Everyone wants to still use what they've got while getting more. - kotatsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Blu-ray discs are created in such a different way to HD-DVD or DVD that such a tripple system disc would be impossible. Add to that blu-ray isn't exactly flavor of the month with the DVD Comitee, who would never agree to allowing such a disc to be created. (remember HD-DVD is the official next-generation DVD format of the DVD comitee)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Thats all fine and well till you realise that there are NO commercial dual layer production lines for BluRay whereas HD only needs minor modification to current DVD lines.
BluRay is gonna tank, esp since the data is only 0.1mm from the surface, even a brisk movement of air will scratch the data and ruin the disk! - drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So I can watch this on a HD DVD drive on my Xbox 360 but still rip it on my computer for playback on my hacked xbox, sounds cool. I'm assuming these will be rentalable from netflix. I still want DVD Jon to work his magic and make my life ever better if you know what I mean.
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -1/+4The only problem I can see is that most movies on DVDs are bigger than 4.7GB. They are usually on DVD9 (8.4GB). It would just mean there would only be room for the movie itself, with little for extras.
Still, a bloody awesome idea. As long as they don't cost the earth it would be a great concept. I doubt we'll ever see it on shelves though; it will probably remain a concept forever. - BadDogNoBiscuit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I doubt a brisk movement of air could scratch a Blu-Ray disc. Because the data is kept 0.1mm from the surface, all Blu-Ray discs have a special DURABIS or DURABIS2 coating applied to them that was developed by TDK. It's resilient to steel wool, permanent marker, and fingerprints.
I saw this on Digg not too long ago, when someone posted the article about the 200GB Blu-Ray disc.
http://digg.com/hardware/DK_shows_off_200_GB_Blu_ray_disc - jolionessness, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You have to take into account that now that we have Internet a lot of people (including myself) get porn on-line, so the physical media they burn it onto doesn't make as much of a difference as it did in the battle of VHS vs. Whatever the ***** Sony had.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Besides, who wants to watch bad acting and fake orgasms in high-def anyway?"
umm..i do? - fireball74, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is more a boon for the Movie industry than the home DVD burner. A studio could put out both DVD and HD-DVD content on the same disc, making it cheaper to deliver both types of content in one package. No more dual-disc packs, with all the special content on the second disc, when a single disc can hold it all. I say it's definatly a boon.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Not really. Have you actually seen any of these players for sale? Let alone at reasonable prices?
I sure as hell haven't, esp when Sony has prohibited the above manufacturers from selling below a certain pricepoint (so their slightly lower priced PS3 will look better, when it finally sees the light of day). - Jeebugorn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3yep. if these discs come out soon, i can start buying movies now that i can play on my dvd player, then when hd-dvd players get a little cheaper and more reliable i can buy a player and already have a library of hd-dvd movies to play on it. that, to me, is more important than a disc that holds 200GB of information.
- Mudbeast, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I love the comments from you Sony shills (or you poor saps who bought a Blu-Ray drive)!
Blu-Ray is a diseased format that traps the consumer into a Sony crapworld where you must buy Sony players. I dont buy Sony anything. ever. I also love the comments from people who think that the PS3 is for sure going to do well. They can't launch in time for the holidays. They're *****. Bye Sony! Can't say it's been fun! - tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The porn industry will be the one that decides which format takes the lead and they are already leaning towards Blu-Ray.
"The pornography industry, which generates an estimated US$57 billion in annual revenue worldwide, has always been a fast leader when it comes to the use of new technology, according to analysts.
Porn studio Digital Playground, which claims to have produced the largest number of high definition movies in the industry over the past three years, said it is choosing Blu-ray Disc for all of its “interactive” films because of its greater capacity."
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/05/02/pornhd/index.php?lsrc=mwrss - Mudbeast, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3wow. ok i'm misinformed. Sony still sucks though.
- LordSkywalker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Sounds great! I'll buy a $20 blank HD-DVD and burn 4.7GB of data to it, as a standard DVD! Wait a second, couldn't my .20c DVD do the same?
Edit: Nevermind. My cocky remark just made me look like a dumbass. And I even read the article. - triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@zybch
yes i've seen some non sony blu-ray players for sale. as for the reasonable price, they are about on par with the price dvd players were at this point in their availability, and certainly no more expensive then the hd-dvd players available. if you do all your shopping at walmart, your probably not going to see them for awhile.
@mudbeast
both hd-dvd and blu-ray are infested with drm. neither is better then the other in this regard. but by all means don't let actual facts get in the way of your knee-jerk, bandwagon-riding, anti-sony rhetoric.
i'm personally leaning towards blu-ray for various technological advantages. if hd-dvd shows itself to be superior, i'll move in that direction. i seriously don't understand all the corporate fanboi'ism i keep running into. - triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1isn't there an arcticle on digg right now about netflix moving towards downloads?
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wonder if it might not be possible to put all three formats on one triple layer disk. If I can’t have a dual format player, can I have multi format disk?
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is not so much a big deal as in the future, the player itself is only going to cost the price of a relatively small number of movies anyway! Let the early adopters rush in. Stop buying movie media of any kind until it's standardised. What is wrong with renting?
- triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@zybch
dvd's don't use the same protective surface material as blu-ray disks.
also the compression used for blu-ray disks isn't all MPEG2, some of the first released yes. fox is unleashing a bunch of disks in the very near future and they all use MPEG4. educate yourself before you go off half cocked. - triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1what you seem to not be taking into consideration is the movie studios want you to buy 2 disks, not just 1 hybrid.
i don't think its going to have a tremendous amount of support from the studios. - Jeebugorn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2well, they already have some hybrids now, but i believe they are 2 sided discs. i saw a few at bestbuy. they were the same price as any other hd-dvd movie, so i'm assuming these should be the same price as well.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Baddog, yes, I know they say that, but if you have ever seen a DVD thats even been within 3 feet of a child you'll realise that they can kill a disk without touching it and despite any 'super durable' crap that its supposed to be made of.
The fact that the data is so close to the surface should be a good enough indication for you that BluRay is flawed to begin with. Its got to be that close simply so the laser can accuratley read the data, now assuming that this is the case (it is), just how fragile does this make the whole BluRay format appear.
Now I'm not for or against bluray or hd, I think they're both going to tank as they simply aren't what consumers actually want, but if one is to make it, I hope its HD as you can stick the HD stuff on one side/layer and the regular DVD on the other, thus future-proofing your DVD purchases. Also, the DRM isn't quite as crappy as what Sony is using, almost, but not quite.
The capacity really means nothing, at least as far as movies go. The 30Gb from a dual layer HD is way more than enough to fit a long HD movie onto, esp since HD is allready using the VC1 (I think thats what its called) codec instead of the ***** MPEG2 that all existing bluray disks have been encoded with. In addition, the HD camp seems to have the best audio system, some sort of lossless thing from dolby, that works - now. Bluray, according to all the reviews I've been able to find still kind of comes across like an expensive still-in-development format.
Now the PS3 will boost bluray somewhat, but my view that nobody really wants what bluray -or- HD has to offer still stands.
A good HD upscaling DVD player gives an image thats around 75% of HD but without the expensive player, and the uncertanty of chosing which of these 2 unmerited formats to support. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Renting, and making a backup of the DVD (just in case the DVD rental store burns down of course) kind of thing.
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http://www.acadapterz.com/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1No, bluray can't do this sort of thing due to the higher tolerances needed for bluray to operate at all. A flip disk is more or less an imposibility, at least if the reverse side has to have a compatible-with-everything SD DVD movie on it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@Zetsurin
Sad but true.. - daborg, on 10/12/2007, -11/+10Suddenly Blu-Ray has serious competition...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Argh, bury me please.
- dolby, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7dual layer blu ray 50GB and three layers of HD-DVD are only 35GB...come on.
- fireball74, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1lol! Unless the porn shops wanna buy me a new blu-ray player, I'm not gonna buy. Way too expensive for my budget. Besides, who wants to watch bad acting and fake orgasms in high-def anyway?
- Pharaoh777, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Anyone with the extra money to buy the hybrids has the money to buy an HD DVD player.
- EGOvoruhk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Of course it's going to be extra. Do you expect the studio to eat the up the cost of producing a dual disc?
- MonkeyLives, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1The adult film backing of BluRay of course helps, but the real reason BluRay beat HD-DVD is the 100+ million PS3s with BluRay drives in them Sony will be selling over the next five years.
And throw in the computer OEM support for BluRay and it should be clear why Toshiba has been looking for a face saving way to publicly accept defeat for HD-DVD for a year now. - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4dolby, don't even try to support a Sony format around here as you will get dugg down in the process by the trollboys. Now, if Nintendo came out with Blu-Ray, you'd have people carrying on like it was a miracle.
- benjamin87, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0rggggg
- MonkeyLives, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Wow, so you get to take your pick with these discs:
A crappy DVD version and a HD-DVD version on one disc
or
A DVD version and a crappy HD-DVD version on one disc
No wonder the entire movie industry and computer OEM makers and Sony are behind BluRay...
Someone really needs to bury HD-DVD's rotting corpse, it's starting to stink. - Pharaoh777, on 10/12/2007, -21/+8Yeah... 35GB is really close to 200GB...
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