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- kolop1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5 I still won't buy one. I'll wait until i can get one for under 200$ and there is a clear winner. Until then I'll just up convert my standard DVDs.
- sakuraz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Actually, NO.
Reviews show Blu-Ray to be of worse quality.
But that's only because BR is using inferior codec...
etc.
Can't we just skip this war? - caser85, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Before I bought an upconverting player I was dying for an HD-DVD player. Now that I got the Sony NS75H which upconverts via HDMI, I don't really mind waiting out the format war. I'll probably wait until a dual format player comes out, or if the Xbox 360 HD-DVD add on is around $200 I'll probably go for that.
One thing I'm really craving though is the improved sound. DD+ and TruHD are getting rave reviews on AVS forum. - Jeebugorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2the problem is that i've been through 2 up-converting dvd players already. the 2nd one was decent....when it worked. so i have to buy ANOTHER dvd player and the best one that doesnt cost mroe than a hddvd player is $200....which is almost the price of a hddvd player. so i might as well go ahead and get one.
- isayx3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Come on guys, I mean, you have been trying to release this technology for years, and then you release first generation players with inferior quality picture???"
Welcome to world of electronics! It has always been like this, just asked the people who bought video ipods or nanos less than a year ago.
Keep in mind HD-DVD "first generation players with inferior quality picture" is still far superior than standard or upscaled DVD. - Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4This would've really piss me off, had I bought one of the earliest models. =P
- mrgreen4242, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ya, I'm holding out for sub-$200 as well... and HDDVD burners... and cheap HDDVD blanks... and HDDVDShrink... :p
- ThirdPrize, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Too true. Though it has to be said that there probably just wasn't enough call for 5.1 mixes of Bob Dylan albums (f'cry'sake) and the whole 24/196 thing was just overkill. If they had done something useful like box sets on one disk then i would have gone for it.
- Jeebugorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@mrgreenj
lol...nice. i LOL'd at the hddvd shrink! - dan0368, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3My upscaling dvd-player is doing a fine job on my new tv. I can wait this war out a couple of years.
- kotatsu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Have you been living in a cave or are you just a troll? Read the reviews, HD-DVD picture quality is currently far ahead of blu-ray.
- 1nd1g0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Go to soundandvisionmag.com and read the Blue Ray report. They thought it looked like crap compared to HD-DVD.
- Jeebugorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@rick....
yeah, you could buy that apple thing.....or just get a dvd burner and copy your dvd without the warnings and commercials. sure its technically not legal....but i think that if i buy a dvd, i should be able to make a copy and store the original so that if something happens to the dvd, i can always go back to the original and make another copy...as opposed to buying the movie again. - icepick314, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2how long till THIS player is replaced by newer model?
that last model didn't last more than 4 months, did it?
i swear this format war's killing next gen video format like it's killing DVD-Audio and HDCD... - zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3The video play back quality of the first gen Toshiba units sucked..
They also didn't playback DVD 9 disk very well either. - Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This is a pretty big blow to the whole next generation DVD market in my opinion.
"will offer better picture quality than earlier models"
Come on guys, I mean, you have been trying to release this technology for years, and then you release first generation players with inferior quality picture???
If I was an early adopter, I would demand that Toshiba accept my first gen model back and replace it with a new generation model. I smell a class action lawsuit coming on, if those 12 people that bought first gen HD-DVD players would get it together. Actually, think the only people that have an HD-DVD player are web review sites.
Anyways, this steels my thoughts about next generation DVD and the fact I will clearly wait until at least 3rd generation models come out, you know, the Apex model that supports HD-DVD and BD-DVD and costs $50.
For now, up-converting DVD players with HDMI suit my needs well, the image quality is great and is stretching the quality of current generation DVD's. - geekzapoppin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Congratulations! You just spent $800 for a machine that is buggy and doesn't have nearly the jump in quality that you should have for the extra $700. Oh, by the way, now we're coming out with a machine that's $200 more.
Seriously. I have a nice HDTV and enjoy the HD films that I get on my dish, but even I can't justify spending that kind of dough for a noticeable, but still marginal, bump in video quality. The sad thing is, HD-DVD is the cheaper of the two formats. Unless something huge happens, both formats will be dead within a couple of years. - fletchowns, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3The only real winner in the format war is a 20GB .ts file. Physical media is overrated!
- EatingPie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@MrZop - "The only real winner in the format war is a 20GB .ts file. Physical media is overrated!"
My 19.5 GB Star Wars Episode III RotS has Macro Blocking in many places. Ugh. I do have others, such as Open Range and 2001, that clock in just over 20GB and look stellar. However, a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD should look even better because all that space can be devoted to data (rather than null packets), and offer higher end audio as well as full 1080p compliance.
Basically, your statement is way to "blanket" and ignores the strength of high-bitrate, high-capacity storage (25,30,50GB) for HDTV. As well as the convenience of optical disk (try telling the wife and kids to plug in an HDD to a computer and firewire the data movie to a D-VHS STB some time).
Besides... er... without physical media, what do you plan to store those 20GB on? :-)
-Pie - mavere, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"BR is using inferior codec"
Somewhat misleading as both BR and HDDVD support MPEG2, VC1, and H.264. So at best, there would be no difference in quality between the two. However, according to Wikipedia, the first wave of BR movies used MPEG2 instead of the other, more efficient two which could explain why there was lower video quality. - Dmtalon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Not posting anything new here...
Overall I would describe myself as an early adopter, but I will *not* own a BR or HDDVD player until 1) the player plays both, plus previous gen DVDs or 2) there's a clear winner and a single format emerges.
I am a consumer that is NOT afraid to spend money on new tech, however I'm not stupid and will not gamble my $ on the flip of a coin. Have fun wasting money fighting this one out!! - V3ROCITY, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Wow, dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. So those people who jumped on the HD bandwagon by purchasing a new cutting edge player for their home theater, based on the selling point "the best picture quality available" have been suckered. "..."Congratulations, you only thought you purchased the best possible movie playing machine for your home...What, you thought we'd give you the best quality right outta the gate? HAHAHA......."
Explains why no one has been impressed with the video quality of any of the "new" movie disc formats. The early adopters just purchased a normal DVD player with a fancy new "HD-DVD" logo on it. - RicktheBrick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I hate dvd players. First with tapes I could put the tape in and it would start playing the tape than I could fast forward to the movie and expect it to play all the way through. With the dvd I have to navigate through the menu and it will not allow me to fast forward through the commercials or through the FBI warnings. Just have a small child put a dvd in a player and tell you to get it to play. First you have to look for the remote to get through the menu and when it freezes in the middle you have to remove it to clean the disk and than watch the commercial and warnings again to get to the point where you can fast forward to the point where it stopped. Apple has announced a device to get the movies and music wireless from the computer to the hd television and with hard drives already being planned in the Tera bytes who cares what they do with the optical disks.
- antdude, on 10/12/2007, -4/+124-bit? I thought they were using 32bit?
- Toastydoc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Blue Ray and HD-DVD... All I see are are shiny versions of Beta tapes.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2they are puting tracking devices in the hd-dvds to detect when a disk is pirated and send information to the feds so im not going to be wasting my money on one of these pieces of ***** anyway
- MrZop, on 10/12/2007, -16/+5"will offer better picture quality than earlier models."
Does that mean they play Blu-Ray now?
Oooh Snap!
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