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- baylat, on 05/27/2008, -2/+42For countries who have long range missiles, this is a good place to target. No casualties, BIG damage.
- zantos420, on 05/27/2008, -0/+26move over santa we need your land for server farms
- jvangurp, on 05/27/2008, -0/+26Military bunkers are ideal. Most are buried or embanked and have blast resistant engineering including doors and containment design. They have multiple redundant power systems and air filtration and internal water sources and air-locked entrance and egress. Some have military spec emf shielding and live on a high capacity fibre node. Some even have integral airfields and hangars and are near or part of decommissioned military bases with hotel-like facilities, recreation features and robust infrastructure for industrial uses.
- Bladwor, on 05/27/2008, -1/+23http://i30.tinypic.com/sfi0qc.jpg
ANON... well, DIGG, DELIVERS - sirber, on 05/27/2008, -1/+20Why am I wishing to have that as a home?
- ArmandoM, on 05/27/2008, -1/+18Tubbytronic Superdome
/so ashamed - IphtashuFitz, on 05/27/2008, -0/+16Depends entirely on who is running it. I've worked at a number of commercial datacenters. At the bottom were ones founded during the dotcom boom and struggled after a couple years so they'd hire college kids as "security" who would let just about anybody into the building. Above that are datacenters that have full time security guards but are there only between the hours of 8am & 5pm. I still had 24-hour access to my equipment in these datacenters but it required a badge, a PIN, and a hand scan to get in. They also had a "man trap" which only allows one person through at a time (again requiring a hand scan) so nobody could sneak in with you. At the top of the list are places like MCI's enterprise datacenters where they have 24-hour on-site security and video cameras virtually everywhere. Before you even get onto the grounds you have to buzz through a remote controlled gate that's covered by cameras. Once you've parked you buzz in through a door that's also covered by cameras. From there you provide the security guards a photo ID that they verify against a list of people authorized for your company, and you also do a hand scan. They then give you the key to your cage and a badge that'll let you buzz yourself through the doors to get to your cage. And the entire time you're in there you're on camera. Every corridor, every cage row, etc. has at least one camera watching it.
Private datacenters can be very similar. I've seen the plans for private datacenters that have similar man traps, video security, etc. About the only difference between a commercial datacenter and a good private one is that in the commercial ones the individual customers equipment are locked in their own cages or their own cabinets. In a private datacenter that sort of thing isn't always necessary (but sometimes is). - d686, on 05/27/2008, -0/+15if a country with long range missiles will launch against a target in the US, Russia, or Europe, they probably are not too concerned with keeping the casualties down.
- jeremyduffy, on 05/27/2008, -1/+14Sheep apparently.
- chanop, on 05/27/2008, -0/+12I'm pretty sure he means decommissioned bunkers
- IPublius, on 05/27/2008, -0/+10Yes, one would think that the location of these major data centers would be more of a security concern than they appear to be.
- dagnew, on 05/27/2008, -0/+10skyz - I'm cloudy on many things, but it was Mick Jagger, not Jimi, who didn't want to share his cloud
- JakeyG14, on 05/27/2008, -2/+12The picture looks like the place where the Teletubbies live. A Digg for the first person to actually get the correct name for "Tubby Land".
- inactive, on 05/27/2008, -0/+10Wow. Thanks for that info.
I wonder why people are digging me down. I was genuinely curious about the security at these places since they are vital to the functioning of the Internet plus all information that is stored on these servers is valuable. - geekchic, on 05/27/2008, -0/+9Umm, the article does say that Iceland is being home to lots of data centres.
However, some systems need proximity to the users due to transit latency.
Also, don't forget that iceland has only a couple of submarine cable links - and sits on a geologically unstable part of the world. - Aerandir, on 05/27/2008, -0/+8Well, you SHOULD be ashamed...
- Nougat, on 05/27/2008, -0/+8I imagine it would be much easier to secure a facility in a remote location, where the traffic of random passers-by is far lower. I also expect that if Microsoft wanted to make a big investment in a facility in Russia, that the Russian government would probably allow them to run private armed security, too.
And in Siberia, think of how much less you'd have to pay for cooling! You could probably used the heat of the servers to warm the office space, and save doubly so! - ArmandoM, on 05/27/2008, -1/+8They're trying to become one.
- geekchic, on 05/27/2008, -1/+8"Also, WTF is it?"
RTFA - inactive, on 05/27/2008, -2/+8with internet wanking reached its peak potential.
- bbtrev, on 05/27/2008, -1/+6I think you mean the sheep ARE photoshopped.
- IphtashuFitz, on 05/27/2008, -0/+5Oh yeah, here's another type of security I've seen. I worked at Akamai for a while. They provide content delivery services for big websites. Basically a way of mirroring highly trafficked sites like microsoft.com, apple.com, etc. around the world. They have equipment located in hundreds of datacenters around the world, and some of that equipment stores the private SSL keys used to verify the trust of those websites. If a hacker got one of these keys he could potentially masquerade as the website in question. Since Akamai doesn't have people physically at all these datacenters the security of these servers was critical. Their solution is to put their equipment in a dedicated cabinet and cover all the vents with black filters. Inside the cabinet are motion sensing cameras (typically two, I think). Since they're housed in a dark cabinet they won't detect any motion under normal circumstances. If somebody opens the cabinet up in order to gain physical access to the equipment the cameras detect the sudden light as motion and trigger an automatic response. The Akamai NOCC is immediately notified (including pictures of what the cameras took, usually just a nosy admin at the datacenter) but more importantly the sensitive data on the servers is immediately destroyed and the servers taken out of service. The term Akamai uses is "scorched". Since the SSL keys are never stored on disk, only in memory, it's very unlikely anybody could get sensitive information from the servers. When these servers start up they download the sensitive data from a central repository physically located in Akamai's private NOCC.
So that's just another type of security that some companies employ - a form of intrusion detection that can result in immediately destroying sensitive data if necessary. - jamdogg, on 05/27/2008, -1/+5"The Skynet funding bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. ... Skynet begins to learn, at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. eastern time, August 29."
- borez, on 05/27/2008, -0/+4WAN lambs
- Shrooms27, on 05/27/2008, -0/+4Sorry you must be logged in to do that
- andrewpmk, on 05/27/2008, -0/+4Why don't they build these in Canada? We have a cold climate and we are close to the US border.
- DanBoodro, on 05/27/2008, -1/+5DEVELOPERS
- thcobbs, on 05/27/2008, -0/+4Its "Lambda Securty", thank you very much!
- IphtashuFitz, on 05/27/2008, -0/+3I didn't think he came across as paranoid or anything else. He just asked a legit question.
FYI, there's one more layer of security that virtually every datacenter employs. That's anonymity. True, security through obscurity isn't much, but I've never seen a datacenter that advertises itself. People driving down various highways or even back roads would likely be surprised to learn that various popular websites, etc. are physically located in non-descript buildings that they drive by on a regular basis.
Also, some customers in commercial datacenters didn't rely solely on the security provided by the datacenter. I've seen cages in datacenters wired with their own alarms, hand scanners, etc. - RumaruDrathas, on 05/27/2008, -0/+3Another important impact of the rise of Data Centers is that the industry can be quickly implemented in low-cost and "impoverished" nations, and implementation of such a business in that particular area has a tendency to bolsters that nation's economy. It helps stimulate the local economy by providing a new source of income/industry for that particular country. It also allows that country to become "modernized", due to the fact that implementation of such data centers would introduce/bolster advance data infrastructure, such as Fiber-Optics and high-bandwidth data connections.
Did I also mention that Data Centers would usually hire and train locals in its day-to-day operations, and thus gives not only the incentive, but the ability to receive a higher education, whether through formal education or a sort of "tech training".
At least, that's how I see it (and having a brother that owns a data center in the Philippines, this view may be biased). - Jordan117, on 05/27/2008, -0/+3Sure, it sounds like a good idea now, but when Google's data centers become sentient and conquer the world you'll be sorry that they're being housed in bomb-proof bunkers.
- NJank, on 05/27/2008, -1/+4But one of the biggest costs for data centers these days is in managing the thermal load generated by the servers and ancillary equipment. An unused military bunker isn't likely to have any other options availabile than dumping all the heat to the air and encumbering a likely undersized air-handling system with the load. no good.
- BobEwell, on 05/27/2008, -5/+8Username password.
- SSUK, on 05/27/2008, -1/+4I'm really going to start to bury ANY post containing the words "Epic Fail" "Om-nom-nom" and any variation of those words. Even "Fail" itself just undermines your entire post, not that you needed any help to look like an idiot.
- Rally603, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2a children's tale.
- MWeather, on 05/27/2008, -1/+3You'd prefer they use The GIMP for artist depictions?
- nephilimx, on 05/27/2008, -1/+3Silly troll, these sites are for business solution servers not websites. Google and amazon are both for websites.
- Rally603, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2It's like reading a brochure!
- inactive, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2Its a trap!
- bbqsalad, on 05/27/2008, -2/+4DEVELOPERS
- YodaJones, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2Yeah right. And so many of these bunkers are vacant and available for rent. Coo Coo.
- inactive, on 05/27/2008, -1/+3Various Internet Meme!
- designerutah, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2It's the internet that's causing Global Warming! Or, maybe it's just the ready access to porn and the friction caused by all the wanking?
- synyster, on 05/27/2008, -2/+4a military bunker with all the features you described will be pretty expensive to build probability cost way more than the data center itself
- Szandor, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2The Teletubbies have to keep their sensitive data *somewhere*.
- Grummond, on 05/27/2008, -1/+2DEVELOPERS
- jedsmith, on 05/27/2008, -0/+1I am not a Microsoft fan boy by any means, but their "delusion" is good marketing and effective use of exclusivity contracts...they don't have to make a good product, they market it well and make good use of business practices. Windows would not be the product it is today without OEMs.
FWIW, I've read accounts of Microsoft running UNIX...wehavethewayout.com comes immediately to mind. - jvangurp, on 05/27/2008, -0/+1The bunkers I'm thinking of were cold war shelters for 200 or so politicians and various hand picked officials and tend to have some pretty impressive air handling capabilities.
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