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- nebunezzar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21What's nvidia's answer to the all-in-wonder? I think they're focusing on separate cards rather than one all in one. The all-in-wonder line went unchallenged, not ATi as a whole. RTA
- suprememilo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Nvidia is a threat in the vivo market?
- suprememilo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13the last All-in-Wonder and it still doesn't tune HDTV channels . . . ?
- bglav, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I guess you missed the point?
- kingpincwh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10the last I checked, nvidia didn't offer a card with all of the features of the AIW line. It was always nice not to have to buy separate cards for a tuner and then another for AV input.
I am guessing that is why its rivals were laughed off of the market. - willhoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I don't know about the newer models, but I've had my AGP 9600pro AIW for about 4-5 years and it never worked well with Meedio/windowsMCE/Sage. I mean graphically it has gone the distance for me, and it is my main media PC card. I believe the issue has been that the decoder for the TV signal is software based. Hardware tuner cards such as Hauppage work fine instead. Otherwise it has been exactly what i needed over the years. Buddy wants a VHS ripped, no problem. Need to hook up a VCR/PS2/XBOX/DVD/whatever to a PC, no problem.
Jack of all trades, master of none. - RWVolkl158, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Pretty sure they mean multimedia oriented video cards when they talk about rivals...
- blablaman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6My nomination for retard comment of the day. Congratulations!
- irishjays, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I have an ATI-AIW, I don't use half it's features. But you know what, They are there if I need them. And the remote is just plain great. I don't use it much except to turn down music, but you know what? It's there.
- antdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I had a 9800 Pro AIW. Great card, but its software and drivers were buggy and old. I wished they did have a HDTV in its AIW. I went back to NVIDIA (Linux support is better) and got a separate HDTV tuner card -- http://www.bbti.us/products_air2pc_atsc_pci.htm ...
- jo42, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5As an AIW 9600 owner, I'd never buy one again.
Instead, I'd buy separate video and tuner cards simply for the fact that video captures would be of higher quality and you could upgrade either one any time you want. - greenrider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I love my old AIW and still use it, but for the love of god - why would you buy this now when DX10 is around the corner?
- Ascus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Given ATI's drivers support history, we willl NEVER see VISTA drivers for it. I wouldn't touch this card, reguardless of the specs. There is no support for it any more.
- mtxblau, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think the writer actually undermined their argument: "1000s of users".
There are VIVO cards that do much, much more than the All-In-Wonder, including HDTV. For instance, here's an offering: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hvr950.html
Not vivo, but enticing and at a decent price point, too. They have more upscale cards, with better software, too.
I don't see how this is corporate greed; rather, just good common business sense. - tyho, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"It's pretty easy to dominate any market if you define it such that you're the only player in it."
So true. And AMD is laughing now. I think AMD will do a better job then ATI ever did. - zachtib, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@mtxblau:
i agree, this makes sense. I never liked the idea of the AIW cards, and preferred to purchase the two cards separately so i could upgrade one or the other. especially as video cards would progress much faster than the tv tuners (esp as all I have access to is basic cable) i didn't want to be forced to buy an AIW card every time I upgraded my video card - rampy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3IMHO, keep your tuner card peanut butter out of your video card chocolate....
You'll save a few duckets and probably have much better performance and flexibility down the road. (trust me on this ;) ) - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I've still got an All-in-Wonder 9600 in my PC and it's done me well. Great card, albeit the software could use a few improvements.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3http://www.nvidia.com/page/personalcinema.html
it just never had good marketing. - JTMON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I used to be a total supporter of the AIW line. I've had about 3-4 different ones over the years. The drivers were always flakey at first but once installed correctly usually worked without much fuss (lucky me). But now that vista is out, half or more of us owners of AIW cards, mine being a 9600 Pro version lost the TV functionality because ATI's crappy beta driver isn't cutting it. Some people have found workarounds but there is absolutely 0 support from ATI. That plus the AMD deal have turned this one time loyal customer into a brand new Nvidia customer. Now I have to source a new TV tuner card tho...bleh.
- LiquidPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1When I got my first PC, it used an ATI II+DVD. The funny thing? I was never able to get proper DVD support with it.
Later on, I built a new PC with an Rage Fury card. The model I purchased, I purchased specifically because it had bridge support for supporting an additional VIVO daughter card. I was never able to get the daughter board (I was an early adapter of ARF). The idea was to buy the VIVO daughter card and keep it as I upgraded through later ATI GPU's. Again, I was never able to get the ATI's internal DVD decoder working properly.
Later on, I obtained a Radeon 7500 for a new PC. It sucked and I eventually ended up replacing it with a Geforce 3 Ti500 later on.
Not once was I ever able to use every feature of any of my ATI cards. To me, this was the major stumbling block for years. I really wanted to get a AiW, but I knew that for some lame ass reason, I was never going be able to use some specific feature and that I would end up having to buy another card and have duplicated features. Coming out of an era of multiple video cards (3Dfx Voodoo 2), shrinking PCI slot counts, and multiple HDD's, space was always at a premium.
The concept of the AiW is fantastic, but ATI have always had sub-par or flaky support for the cards. With AiW out of the way, it might let nVidia fill the gap with something that's awesome. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Boo, I guess I have to stick with this All-in-Wonder.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Thanks a lot!
Interesting reading
http://addons.wordpress.com/ - empyreal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So is this card software based tuning. If so, its pointless for Vista. My AIW cards (got 2 of them) are gathering dust now.
- RockyUppal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Great Card
- theaceoffire, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Not wrong.
Ati dropped support for my card, but didn't mention it... I had to find out from a third party site that was making modified drivers...
I had nothing but grief from this card. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2And if you use Linux? HAHAHAHA! Forget it!
Unless AMD makes some drivers that don't suck, no more ATI cards for me. No way, no how. - Tweaknews, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Show me a Nvidia rival to the All-in-Wonder with TV capabilities and a full multimedia suite with remote control and I will then keep my point of view to myself.
Not fanboiism here, just the truth. - Skwerl, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Digital Voodoo is where it's at for HD cards. http://www.digitalvoodoo.net/ Mind you there's no GPU involved, but if you're seriouse about HD capture, at least under OSX, it's the only way to go. Besides, when's the last time you put an expansion card that long in your machine?
- acceptab1euname, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4All rivals laughed off the market?
You could at least wait until people got to the site to show off your ATI fanboism. Marked as inaccurate. Kindly keep the personal opinions out of the news headlines. - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3My bad. The description didn't make it clear that "the market" in question was the "video capture/3d card combo market".
It's pretty easy to dominate any market if you define it such that you're the only player in it. - colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3"ATI's market cap is 9 billion. NVDA's is 13 billion."
ATI used to make video cards before NVidia existed. I think this is the time period being referenced. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -20/+0Will AMD ever rename that stupid "all in wonder" product? Jeez, that's old.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -29/+8"dominated the multimedia market with such force that all rivals were laughed off of the market"?
Funny, I thought nvidia was doing just fine.
ATI's market cap is 9 billion. NVDA's is 13 billion.
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