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- Shahreel, on 03/05/2009, -0/+23Its not going away. It just going to be integrated with the CPU.
- LordRahl72, on 03/05/2009, -1/+23Maybe has something to do with 64 bit CPU's are also x86 CPU's?
- zacbro, on 03/05/2009, -0/+16I bet I understood less of that than you did.
- Lasereth, on 03/05/2009, -1/+152 years? Come on. Maybe within 10 years.
- merreborn, on 03/05/2009, -1/+13GPUs make terrible general purpose processors, and CPUs make terrible GPUs.
Neither will replace the other. - inactive, on 03/05/2009, -0/+12Have you ever heard of i7? thats one that might be a bit popular.
- Frozenpees, on 03/05/2009, -5/+16Why did the guy from the article say that integrated graphics are going away? What evidence does he have? For all intents and purposes, IGP uses less energy, is more space efficient, and is just simply the best option for a lot of applications. Either way, Nvidia processors are probably going to be pretty cool, especially if they give Intel the competition they need in the netbook/mobile market (that AMD isn't providing).
- merreborn, on 03/05/2009, -1/+12They're faster.... at graphics and mathematical tasks.
They'd be completely useless for most general purpose computing tasks. - merreborn, on 03/05/2009, -1/+11AMD/ATI is in a much better position to take this market, since they have experience in both sectors.
NVidia has no CPU experience. - iXam, on 03/05/2009, -2/+11...in your Nvidia condom?
- benologist, on 03/05/2009, -2/+11What a retarded article. To summarise:
NVIDIA VP said they might make x86 chips in the future. Ars thinks it makes sense because integrated graphic chips are a significant part of nVidia's business, and putting them on the CPU makes sense.
Can NVIDIA compete? Maybe, because they make great GPUs which Intel has always sucked at. - inactive, on 03/05/2009, -0/+7why one or the other when each one has its strengths?
- trollick, on 03/05/2009, -0/+6Who? Users of Windows 7 64-bit.
- inactive, on 03/05/2009, -0/+6I was replying to him not you. I agree with you.
- Giga, on 03/05/2009, -0/+6IA64 is the Itanium instruction set, which Intel designed. Intel borrowed x86-64 (since renamed to AMD64) to make EM64T.
- mabsark, on 03/05/2009, -0/+6"I think integrated graphics are going to be more prevalent. Manufacturers are now putting serious hardware into their integrated graphics, Intel finally has put actual hardware on their IGPs"
Intel IGPs have always been crap and they still are. Just ask any gamer.
IGPs can't get any more prevalent, they are very common and have been for years. All the cheap motherboards contain IGPs.
It is obvious that the next step is to remove the GPU from the motherboard and place it on the same die as the CPU, as the article says. - AboveandBeyond, on 03/05/2009, -1/+7It's part of the Crysis Challenge.
- drmangrum, on 03/05/2009, -0/+5x86 is the instruction set. That's all. 32, 64, or even 512 bits doesn't matter. It still uses the x86 instructions.
- duewydo, on 03/05/2009, -0/+5I am guessing that AMD and ATI are ramping up for this as well. I was thinking that when AMD got thier hands on ATI that Intel and Nvidia would work together. This is better, more competition. AMD, nvidia, or Intel. This could be the best thing to happen to the mobile market.
- JQP123, on 03/05/2009, -0/+5I agree that the merging of CPU and GPU is probably inevitable. AMD and Intel both have their own graphics capability. Why shouldn't nVidia develop their own processor capability? And with the market moving away from raw performance and more toward green and mobile, I'd say that nVidia really doesn't have much choice if they want to remain relevant. It would certainly be a missed opportunity for them to do otherwise.
At the same time, I also think there is a possibility that what nVidia is really after here is to persuade Intel to buy them out. - MacEnvy, on 03/05/2009, -0/+55 years is a nice round number.
- superflyy, on 03/05/2009, -4/+9Nvidia rocks *****
- JQP123, on 03/06/2009, -0/+4It's my understanding that some of Intel's older patents on X86 are set to start expiring soon. In the US, patents have a legal lifetime of 20 years and X86 technology has been on the market since at least the early 80s.
Another option being kicked around the rumour mill is for nVidia to buy a smaller X86 license holder like Via. - h4mx0r, on 03/05/2009, -0/+4I'd be up for it!
- solid12345, on 03/05/2009, -0/+4They might as well, honestly most computer users buy a system and never once open it up to upgrade the GPU. Integrating it on a per-generation basis is the smart thing to do.
- whoreable, on 03/05/2009, -4/+8Nvidia CPU
Nvidia GPU
Nvidia Chipset
I Came. - cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+4GPUs are linear processors, they can't handle complex situations that CPUs can. I know very little about the whole debate but enough to know they serve two entirely different purposes at the moment. I would say the two merge (GPU on CPU die) before you have a strict GPU performing CPU tasks.
- jerkfaceirl, on 03/06/2009, -1/+5on your nvidia face.
- SteveMax, on 03/05/2009, -0/+4Give me a good Fortran compiler for the GPU. Give me a standard C++ compiler + libs so that I can run a full Montecarlo simulation using all those cores. Give me a GPU that can handle branches as well as a current CPU.Then I'll agree that the CPU is dead.
Seriously. GPUs are a scientist's wet dream. Most simulations (including those lattice QCD ones, that need decades of CPU time to run) would fit perfectly in a GPU: single set of instructions being applied over various sets of data. However, there are no tools to use them. In physics, most of what has been written over the past decades (including what is written today, and most of the heavy hitters) is in Fortran; the rest uses mostly C/C++, using some standard frameworks such as Root and GEANT. All that is needed is for one GPU to handle conditional code and branches well; then our $100000 computers will easily turn into $1000 computers with $9000 extra in graphic cards. - iritegood, on 03/06/2009, -0/+3You couldn't upgrade IGP anyways.
- ohplease, on 03/06/2009, -0/+3Sorry you're right, I got the instruction set names mixed up. It's the same point. Intel and AMD are allowed to borrow from each other. Because of this nobody else can leverage technologies that they bring together to the marketplace.
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+3"Why shouldn't nVidia develop their own processor capability?"
Because they legally can't. Intel won't give them an x86 license and they can litigate all they want but ultimately Intel will win.
This whole story is really a fantasy, even what NVIDIA executives are talking about. They can't make an x86 chip, they're not allowed to. - Gizza, on 03/06/2009, -0/+3"All that is needed is for one GPU to handle conditional code and branches well; "
That's the thing though. That pretty much what a CPU is. GPUs suck at doing that. A GPU that is good at doing that would no longer really be a GPU. - duewydo, on 03/05/2009, -0/+3Integrated graphics being the GPU on chipset. Where that idea is moving to a CP/GP unit. Computer on a chip concept. As Shahreel said.
I think its a cool concept but kind of restricts you to certain flavors which could be good from a programming standpoint... many pros and cons. - cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+3Intel don't compete in the GPU arena though, their purpose is to make IGPs which use extremely little power and cost as little as possible. Dedicated HD (H.264/VC-1) decoding is the next logical step, but we don't need IGPs to play games. If you do, slap in a proper video card - that's what they're there for!
- darkmagician777, on 03/06/2009, -0/+3I would hope if they do put some GPU on the DIe that they make it some simple snap in thing so that people can choose what type of GPU they want. Flexability because if the GPU or the CPU F***s up - then you wont see what happen.
Be interesting to see though how small and energy efficient this can go. - thealsir, on 03/07/2009, -0/+3Dude, it isn't 2004 anymore.
- inactive, on 03/05/2009, -0/+3According to this cpu's are about to make gpu's obsolete, because the cpu will include gpu capabilities on-die.
- mabsark, on 03/05/2009, -0/+3How would this restrict you any more than now?
As it is now, you can use an Intel or AMD chip which use different socket types. Nvidia do chipsets for both.
With CPU and GPU on the same die, the AMD and Intel chips will still be using different socket and Nvidia will still be making chipsets for both.
So what are these restrictions you are talking about? - Mutiny32, on 03/06/2009, -0/+3I disagree with Ars. nVidia will be busy kicking the everloving ***** out of x86 with ARM processors. Especially on the netbook, MID, and Smartphone front. The x86 just can't compete, as it was never designed for low-power, high efficiency from the beginning like ARM technology. Even the Atom doesn't even come close to the efficiency of ARM. I think Intel saw their mistake in Selling XScale off and instead of buying it back or coming out with a new ARM-based processor line, they are trying to use their x86 knowledge to try and match it. Sorry guys, it just won't happen.
- darkmagician777, on 03/06/2009, -1/+3Its been rumored for a long time the reason why AMD bought ATI was to get the ATI GPU on the AMD DIE - and make it one chip with everything on it. Its a great idea and totally space saving for sure, but the gamers who love SLI will not be into the whole inter graded thing.
- Zcrubby, on 03/05/2009, -0/+2Never will be.. EVER
- LiquidSpark, on 03/06/2009, -0/+2They (Nvidia) can release whatever they like. I'd never buy a CPU from them though. They have the most horrendous support (see old Nforce on Vista) of any major hardware maker.
- InfiniteNothing, on 03/06/2009, -1/+3How will I upgrade my GPU if it's stuck to my proc
- ethana2, on 03/06/2009, -1/+3personal computing experience bottlenecks:
software, software, software, software
hard drives; SSDs are on the way
broadband speeds
gpu (OpenGL and OpenCL acceleration, mainly drivers)
qwerty keyboard layout (switch to colemak)
I'd take an 800 MHz ARM cpu in a laptop granted that other stuff, maybe just for the battery life..
FRICK COMMENT FORM STOP JUMPING AROUND - superflyy, on 03/10/2009, -0/+2Oh I see so your "That" guy....... I hope thats working out for you
- HonoredMule, on 03/06/2009, -0/+2Doesn't even apply. We're talking about mobile devices here, where the current landscape is even more diverse and yet already more restricted in terms of consumer hardware choices.
- duewydo, on 03/05/2009, -1/+2That is funny. Eitherway, the article says they are targeting the mobile market. So you point is innacurate and moot.
- sevenalive, on 03/06/2009, -2/+3No QPI, x86 not x64, instant FAIL!
- ohplease, on 03/05/2009, -4/+4
They'll be crushed and left out of the market. AMD and Intel have a cross technology licensing agreement, which is why Intel can borrow things like IA64 without getting sued. They have this agreement to keep other players out of the market. -
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