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- kowgod, on 10/12/2007, -15/+44Once again, it's time to... get perp-en-dicular-ar-ar!!
http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html - benc, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33@mrASSMAN:
Yeah, 200GB = 186GiB. I've always found it ridiculous that drive manufacturers advertise their drive capacities like that. Borderline dishonest, if you ask me. It's not like the drive manufacturers aren't aware that most OSes measure drive capacity in binary rather than decimal.
And the disparity is just going to get worse as drive capacity increases. Like this 750GB drive is actually 698 GiB.
Something's gotta change before an 11 TB (= 10 TiB) drive hits the market!
PS - for anyone who's lost, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix - ZachPruckowski, on 10/12/2007, -12/+28The best part is the further price drops on the lower end of the sizes.
- JohnboiWaltune, on 10/12/2007, -12/+27Easy to fill it with lossless DVD rips, though.
- Jerkpie, on 03/03/2009, -15/+25Anyone have any ideas on what the prices are going to be?
- seanalltogether, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17yeah whats going on? I normally set my comment filter to -4 and a bunch of comments are buried on this page for no reason.
Maybe the system too easily discourages people from caring to vote comments up, resulting in the ability for a handful of determined people can easily bury all comments on a page. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17I agree with you benc, it truly is false advertising. But now that this method is cemented as normal by the storage industry, it won't EVER change.. well maybe they will once the US makes the change from imperial to metric (not gonna happen).
...Why exactly was my comment buried anyhow? - Poddo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10@ASSMAN
Because people are too ignorant to relaize that you were right before they gave you the thumbs down. - neofreak, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Or you can use it with a file system that doesn't need to be defraged.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -27/+33..don't have that problem with my 200gig seagate drive..
it shows up as 186GB though due to the conversion from gigabytes (GB) to gibibytes (GiB) - MrKite, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12That would take forever to defrag.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@assman I agree with you too. The reason it got burried is because there are bots on digg digging everything down. It has something to do with the crap about digg censorship earlier today.
- imafish2002, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15I think you may have missed the boat on this one. The article is about a single 750gb drive, lacie have just slapped together 2 500gb drives to make their 1TB Big drive.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Sorry to be off-topic, but why the hell are there so many fine comments buried? Many of these buried comments are on-topic and have no reason to be hidden.
- pairanoyd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Piece of cake. Done already.
I have over 2tb filled to bursting with DVB videos..
It doesn't take long with the right tuner. - saisumimen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"why is nearly every comment on here negative?"
Because you touch yourself at night. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4The problem is digg allows you to infinitely burry a comment. Well that's just one problem. ***** the system though they need to think of something better.
- Jerkpie, on 03/03/2009, -16/+18I was thinking the same thing. There are a lot of relevant comments that aren't worthy of the negatives they received. (I'm sure this will be buried as well)
- Silencer7, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9KittenAuth NOW!
- h4lofourt33n, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Somewhat off topic, but, just thinking, it takes forever to format 300 gigs, how long would it take to do a TB? Just a thought...
- surfing, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Raid watercolor
http://www.edvt.net/Pictures/raid.jpg - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -12/+13Neither, the new Seagate drive is a 750GB drive, with G being expressed as 10^9 instead of 2^30. (or as some like to say, Giga instead of Gibi, though personally I don't subscribe to this).
[Noteworthy: a 750GB drive in Base-2 (2^30) has roughly 55.3GB (10^9 * 55.3) more space than a 750GB drive in Base-10 (10^9).] - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+12It's a bot. It's been happening in other posts too.
- thepotoo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+11your right arm and left leg. But that's just for the IDE drive. If you want the SATA version, that'll cost you your left nut.
- BlazinX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1thats alot of data to lose.
- cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3But that's $720 for 1750GB (Raid 5), plus the cost of the 8-port RAID card, which will be a few hundred bucks. I've been wanting to put together a 1T+ RAID for some time but I haven't wanted to drop the grand for it. I end up buying a piecemeal of drives a few months apart because you don't feel it as much =)
I think I'd like to get a 1TB+ RAID from four drives because of noise, but then again I have a SCSI drive shelf in the closet with 12 disks in it and it's loud as hell. You get more performance as you add more spindles, so you really are better off with more disks.
Just try to get drives with the most cache and controllers with the most cache for RAID5 =) Those Write/Read/Write cycles for the parity can be costly, but if you have the cache, it'll only be one sequential write! - sizemoresr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Get Perpendicular! http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html
- anthony1124, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wow. Now I won't have to download divx and xvid encoded rips to my hard drive to save space. thanks.
- subcodec, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Actually, if you use a large drive such as this for mainly storage, you aren't doing a lot of writing and moving of files. My storage drives almost never need defragging. I'll mainly defrag once a month or as I add more files to the drive. It only takes a couple minutes max to defrag then.
At least it's not like the Win98 days when that defrag took 2 hours or more to defrag a lowly 4.3 gig drive I had. LOL - McoreD, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@benc, that's exactly right. HDD manufactures should stop advertising using decimal prefixes and start producing true 750 GiB HDDs. They should have done it with the new PMR technology. In the box, they could have 750 GiB (= 805 GB) so that other HDD manufactures won't have an unfair advantage of shipping 750 GB hard disks to compete with Seagate's 750 GiB HDDs.
- brandonking, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Wow. Who just digg shat on every comment 20 times. They weren't THAT bad.
- Garage81, on 10/12/2007, -13/+14id be more excited about a 250gig laptop drive ! still, digg.
- dubbleenerd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+41TB drives are gonna hit the market around march-april next year.. lets see you consume 750 gigs first though!
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2ouch, sorry, i was joking
- h0w412d, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3i didn't know there were bots burying comments. they should have a more secure system.
- subcodec, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I have the Kworld ATSC tuner card and when I recorded a 3 hour special, it took up 24GB of space!! So HD content can fill a drive quite quickly. Right now, on each of my computers, I have a 600 GB drive on each (2 x 300 and 3 x 200 in RAID). I fill them up quite fast with recordings from HD, movies from DVD, and music. As drives get bigger and cheaper, I will be able to rip my whole DVD and CD collection to my computer and not have to compress them at all. Then I can pack away and preserve the orginals, but yet still watch or listen to them at any time in the quality they should be. For business, they can fill harddrives quite quickly with databases and archived information.
So yeah, the bigger and cheaper harddrives get, the more we can store. They will always be "fillable". - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@thirdtenor:
Yah, but if a 250 in a raid 5 fails it's $90 to replace... with no data loss... if you have a 500 or 750gb fail, and it's not RAIDed, you are out 300-500 and lose the data... - MrKite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Right, I'll change my file system because the drive is big.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4so maybe 1TB by the end of the year? that's pretty sweet, but i'm still building my sata raid with 8x250GB drives... they are only $90 each...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2right, so it's a grand for 8 250s and a raid card (1.75TB with raid 5), or a grand for a pair of 750s (1.5TB with NO RAID)... so it depends on if you have the space and need for redundant backup...
- thirdtenor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@cbreaker
Your absolutely right, but... we just put together a 4tb file server (12 port card), and after mulling over the options we decided it would be better to have a real sata backplane with hot swapable drive bays and a dedicated card than doing it in software and replicating servers when more storage is needed. The problem with a four drive array is you loose alot of capacity to the parity drive.
Of course, there was a decent budget to get it done, but we still went with the best $/GB drives.I am sure the next box we need wil be double the capacity at the same cost.
BTW - I dont any MTBF numbers, who cares how big the drive is if fails - Chasuk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3> your right arm and left leg. But that's just for the IDE drive. If you want the SATA version, that'll cost you your left nut.
Erm, I'd sacrifice my left nut before I'd sacrifice my right arm and left leg, seven days a week. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+11Some kid got upset about the other anti-digg posts today and is going to town with a few bots.
- errer, on 10/12/2007, -12/+12I've noticed this too...I don't think the digg comment system works, people are more likely to be negative than positive. I have to change the view mode to "all" just to see anything.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3WORST. THREAD. EVER!
;p - subcodec, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@blakex. I'm too lazy to look right at this moment, but doesn't XP (Home & Professional versions) have problems with RAID arrays over 2 TB?? I thought I have read that somewhere. Hopefully (if it is that way) Vista solves that, because in its lifetime, RAID arrays will easily get over that size.
I did look up the limits of the NTFS file system. Here is a link: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/storage/getstorfacts.mspx - Shinglor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Not really, unless you managed to get the drive filled up and heavily fragmented at the same time. Usually you'd defrag as you go and write big files to it anyway.
- BugMeNot2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Portuguese: http://www.htk.com.br/noticia.php?noticia=550
- cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2You musn't be a Usenet user.. Oops! I forgot about the first rule! The first rule of Usenet is that you don't talk about Usenet!
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