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- sirloin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I quit buying the top of the line graphics cards as by the time games came out that actually utilized the new features, the card was a third of the price.
- rockforever, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10This raises the question. Can god create a game so demanding that even he cannot run it?
- toppgun, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12there is no such thing as future-proofed. You will be proven wrong with DX11
- doctorcaligari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@rockforever
Yes, he can. It's called Duke Nukem Forever.
Every year, God takes the form of a video card. Then he tries to run Duke Nukem Forever, but it pixellates and fails. Then he banishes it to the netherworld. That's why we will never see it. He has not allowed it to exist. - BugMeNot2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@mufasa
It's called the GeForce 8800GTS. - yournamehere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7minus any girlfriend
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This article focuses more on the performance of the cards in multi-card SLI setups. Interesting... and crazy fast performance for virtually any game engine out there now.
- Morsetlis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Even without DX10 games the 8800 cards are uber fast on current games.
Most DX10 games will also be backward-compatible w/ DX9 cards using emulation layers.
However, even when midrange and updated (ie not flaming hot) G80 core cards come out, they will usually be less performing than the 8800 cards. You'd need to wait for the 8900+ versions to get better performance than what you can buy now.
Of course, in a year or so the price will probably drop by half... - Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Why was I dugg down? Honestly that's why I bought 8800GTX for, you can't be honest on Digg, even then people will disbelieve you.
Secondly, what the ***** are you people talking about? Have any of you even considered to mod Oblivion to see what I speak about, there is a vast difference between Oblivion with mods installed and vanilla Oblivion. There are mods (like Qarl's textures) requiring AT LEAST 512MB graphics card. Even now I can't play Oblivion maxed without going to low 20s (FPS) and when I install AEVWD mod I go to the teen numbers, that's why I can't claim I play the game completely maxed, there is one (of the most beautiful mods out there) mod that I can't install without my performance suffering.
Proof of concept
before:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/dev_akm/oblivion/oto/world/compare/01v.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/dev_akm/oblivion/oto/world/compare/11v.jpg
after:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/dev_akm/oblivion/oto/world/compare/01p.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/dev_akm/oblivion/oto/world/compare/11p.jpg
You must be really clueless if you can't see the difference. This screenshots discount some more mods I also installed since they are not from my game, but they come pretty damn close what modded Oblivion looks like (they're a tad worse from what I have). Hell modded Oblivion most probably is even more system taxing than Crysis would ever be. - lcohiomatty86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i find the fast growth of technology to be a wonderful thing, sure it kinda stinks psychologically when your once wonderful hardware is kinda junky compared to the newest and greatest out there.. but hardware (for the most part) doesnt lose the performance it once had.. it'll always be as useful as its always been.. just not with the newest software... as long as it doest the job well for what you need it to do.. hardware isn't obsolete.. it just isnt very fast compared to the top of the line for the current day.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm sorry, but I run oblivion at 1680x1060 with EVERYTHING turned up and still get well in excess of 30fps with my 7950 GX2.
I've just bought a 8800GTS though, and while the speed is about the same as the GX2 the lower heat and noise make it totally worthwhile for me, also, when DX10 games come out I'll be able to play them. - pozzoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The first time I read your post I though WTF does he mean?. But then I RTFA and realized that what you say is actually important: The benchmarks are using games like Pray, HL2-E1 and other games that are currently working great with my geforce 6800GT. It would have been nice to see how does this card work with a game like Oblivion that really makes my GPU cry.
- airencracken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4No computer part is future-proof for long. Best to buy what you need, when you need it. Otherwise you end up paying the "early-adapter" fee.
- BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Lovely! Now we just need the games to play with it.
Great PC games are becoming rare... - TridenTBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ok wow, read evga forums. Me and many others are getting insane issues with overclocking and keyboards etc. P5B Deluxe smashes this thing. Only problem is the P5B Deluxe doesn't have a memory divider option or anything. :(
- Ignignokt01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why do they test it with such old games? Run that baby with Company of Heroes maxed out, that'd impress me.
Oh and if you think good PC games are rare, you really haven't looked at all. - TridenTBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Obviously you haven't been reading the evga forums. A lot of people are getting PS/2 keyboard issues like myself and a lot more. Besides the board is so pathetic, my P5B Deluxe got further than this one on Overclocking. I can't get my E6300 any further than 3183mhz. Friggin' thing goes into safe mode when I amp up the FSB to high.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Did you look at the XHD benchmarks? 2560X1600 with 4XAA is CPU limited? Hello?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3dfick, thanks very much for your sanity here. Yes, obviously future-proofed forever would be a bit hard to accomplish with the relentless pace of technology but these cards are capable for what's out there today and what isn't even out there yet, which is about as future-proofed as it gets.
And Petrie, mid-level was suggested in terms of price point (obviously), fetal-level... I'm not sure what the heck that is in reference to. Yes these cards are ahead of the curve and pricey right now but the GTX is the top of the line. The GTS is the next wrung down currrently. I'd bet it drops to sub $400 after the holidays. - fremeer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1actually thats might not be fully true. Sure they might have faster memory access times but current GPU's are a mini system on their own with a processor+ram+heatsinks. The need for using GDDR3 and a good heatsink will stop AMD making real superspeed mobo GPU's instead we will see something along the lines of a 6200TC but more sophisticated. Unless AMD adds in a GDDR3 slot and allows enough spaces for the Heatsink of the GPU u wont get 8800 competing card yet. Maybe when BTX becomes more common place.
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a eVGA 680i. No problems. Its a great mobo. I heard the ASUS version isnt as good as ASUS's normal performance.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@stevethegreat
I'm glad you said 'virtually' since a more reasonably priced and more compatible 512M 7950GT with a fast single core AMD64 runs Oblivion @ 1600x1200 w/HDR quite well. Even being overworked with 4M landscape textures and other detail adding visual enhancement mods (let's not forget the low-poly grass mod, a real FPS booster). I agree the 8800 series is a phenomenal performer, but 'yesterday's hardware' can be just as successfully put through some pretty amazing hoops as well, with much less fuss. - foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I love my 680i+8800GTX. Gonna get another GTX after prices drop below $400
- mitrovarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why did they publish so many CPU limited benchmarks? They should have turned up the AA or the resolution until things weren't CPU limited any more.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1One safe assertion about nvidia is that they frequently update their drivers. Often enough that one problem this month, is gone the next. Why they chose to break with the unified driver approach with this release, new architecture or not, just creates end user confusion.
As for your nv_disp.dll issue, a working set of chipset and forceware drivers, and no odd programs running in your systems background should fix you right up, assuming you don't have mice nesting in your case:
http://members.aol.com/Kaltofen/mouse3.jpg - KragTheDigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1..2 of these puppies are on their way to their new home (my desk)
~K - aahpandasrun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The mid level cards for the 8 series aren't out yet. When they are, they will probably be called 8600s, since they were called that back in the 7, 6, and 5 series cards.
- jessestay, on 01/21/2009, -2/+3I have the 8800GTX, but unfortunately no Vista drivers yet so I can't use it. Sucks to be me (and probably most of the other current owners of the 8800). :-(
- InsaneMachine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Supposedly DX10.1 is going to be released relatively soon after DX10, and 10.1 is supposed to unify the graphic card hardware to make it easier on developers to code for DX10.1 compliant cards. Although the article states not to except hardware for 10.1 relatively soon, though keep this in mind if unsure to upgrade yet or no.
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=103&Itemid=29 - PhantomZmoove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That 7600GT looks pretty sharp on paper. I'm thinking that I will pick that one up next, they are around $130.00 right now I think.
- cosmicr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2waiting for the dx10 equiv of the 6600gt. man that card was good value.
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1MY old 6600 and my 8800 have the heatsinks facing down. Looks awkward and I didnt understand why.
Its supposed to be that way. All pics of all setups look that way. - jessestay, on 01/21/2009, -0/+1Because Windows XP's install CD does not support SATA or RAID. Vista's install works out of the box. I have to have a floppy drive installed as A: to get XP working, or create my own install CD. I'd rather just upgrade and use something that actually works, except now I have no 3d graphics. Vista was built for the 8800 (DX 10) though so I'm willing to wait - it just sucks that Nvidia advertises this card as "Vista ready" when it's not really.
- Yanks2435, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a 7600GT, it rocks. Well worth the 130 I paid, if you shop around you can find them for $99 sometimes.
- yournamehere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it will run on Vista wayyyyyyyy before the Mac
- jessestay, on 01/21/2009, -0/+1It doesn't run on Vista yet - trust me, I tried. Don't believe them when they say "Vista Ready".
- PhantomZmoove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Tell me about it. Company of Heroes is kicking my old video card into the ground. I've been eyeballing some of those fancy new PCIe cards just for this one RTS.
- christoscamaro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, Nvidia has had consistant driver updates, which is great.
My nv4_disp.dll errors have continued through each driver update. I'm also not the only person who has had this problem, you can Google it back to 2002 or so, and it goes up to today for various cards, even more modern ones than I have. I honestly don't know if the root problem is an Nvidia problem or not to tell you the truth. I’m actually still running my 6800 Ultra as I type, I just haven’t been able to play any game for the last year or so due to the error.
What I do know is that nothing in my system has ever been overclocked. I played with that back with a 200 MMX Pentium when it was new. I got out of it way before you could buy cute ‘lights’ for your PC case.
I can totally understand end user confusion, but after quite a bit of research, I am far from the only person who is confused by this error, and have yet to find a solution for it.
I’m not exactly re-writing code on the kernel level, but I’ve been around the block with hardware, drivers and the like. This error has stumped me and a ton of other Nvidia card users. We have all tried the ‘default’ Windows XP settings, along with specific fixes depending on hardware configs, etc. If you have more insight to this error, please respond. Yep, odd processes have been killed, and a fully patched OEM legit XP re-install have been performed already.
Digg me down if you will, I just wanted to share my personal experience with buying spanking new video cards. I will admit I haven’t tugged open my case to see if rats made a nest next to my video card though, nor have I checked for leaking capacitors on the card itself. I really shouldn't have to do either. - MasterChi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You say your Geforce 4800? Hmm, i have a Geforce 5300 PCI-E card and the heatsink isn't on the bottom. My vid card is only 2 years old so i didn't think they drastically changed this in that time.
- NightBlade40, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why not just get the Windows XP drivers?
- turpenine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I am sorry but you can't read AA OVER NINE THOUSAND.
- TridenTBoy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I have a eVGA 8800GTS and a eVGA 680i SLI motherboard. The motherboard sucks balls, don't buy it. The video card works okay, but I wouldn't buy it either because the driver support is balls.
- StealthPersona, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey, I just put together a new system with an 8800GTS, E6700, and Intel 975XBX2 mobo.
Awesome performance on any game I have. I play BF2 @ 1600x1200 full everything and am getting > 100fps even while running a google talk conversation. Very stable, no issues encountered once the Windows install was completed. (Had a hard time at first since I needed a BIOS update before loading Windows but I built the machine without a floppy drive!)
This is my third Intel mobo and I've been really happy with them... maybe not the most extreme performance, but never an issue with stability. Besides, these performance mobos only seem to give a couple of percent improvement. Not worth the hassles, trust me. - Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7As an avid modded Oblivion fan, I can say that virtually no other card except Geforce 8800GTX can play it with acceptable framerates. Also games like Gothic 3 and Never Winter Nights 2 framerates' take a huge blow from older cards, only 8800GTX can play them flawlessly. As I just wrote the top of the line CRPGS of the year and me being a CRPG fan (virtually the only genre in gaming that actually thrills me) many many years now, made GeForce 8800GTX a natural choice for me.
Being said that, I could afford it -first of all- and -secondly- it was my first card after three years stuck with nVidia's FX series. It worth every penny I paid for it, strangely enough it was a very good bang for the buck however its skyhigh prices, it completely destroyed cheaper cards. I pity those with a freshly bought x1950 xtx, if they waited 2 months more they could have taken sth twice as powerful in the same price - frozen1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@sirloin
If you strategically time your upgrade you can get the latest and greatest, it all amounts to how long you're willing to sit on your investment, and what games you play.
Since things like computers aren't truly investments, they are liabilities, at least for the average consumer (things that depreciate in monetary value and use value very quickly). - mister711, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1What is the Linux performance?
- InsaneMachine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Don't worry, you are not missing much in Vista, just some 0 day flaws, with prices ranging from 10grand to 40grand on the black market.
- xrambo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@Master Chi
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
EVGA Nvidia 8800GTX
EVGA Nvidia nForce 680i Mobo
CORSAIR XMS2 DOMINATOR 2GB
Western Digital 250GB x2 16MB Cache Raid 0
ViewSonic VX922
logitech G15 Keyboard & MX518 Mouse
Z-5450 315 Watts 5.1 Digital Speaker system - christoscamaro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1It's interesting, but it's the 'first direct-x 10 compatible chipset' from what I know.
I picked up a Nvidia 6800 Ultra when it was pretty new, and enjoyed Doom3 and later, HalfLife 2. A few years later whenever I play any game, I get the nv4_disp.dll error.
Can't say I've found a fix for it, after countless hours of searching I found there isn't really any specific fix that works for everyone. Kind of scares me from wanting to pickup another video card with an Nvidia chipset. On that note, the ATI 9700 Pro I had previously gave me tons of problems (driver updates past a certain date screwed it up) after using it for a few years.
I wish there was a serious 3rd chipset maker out there for gaming. I've been burnt by both ATI and Nvidia.
(For the record, ATI card was in a pre-built Dell, Nvidia card was in a pre-built Alienware.)
I'd personally wait a bit before picking up a new card, just so a few launch bugs can be quietly taken care of in future releases. - safetyseal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0are you high?....video cards have coolers on the bottom at least in the high end they have for years, the core is on that side, it's corectly mounted, same as my 8800GTS, my x1800, and my x850, and GF4800 were. So i don't know what you are talking about.
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