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- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28Color reproduction in LCDs is not such a big problem that you'd need to spend freaking $2000 on LCDs! I've done lots of printing, designing and retouching on a 21" widescreen Dell that I recently got for free, it has been fine. The only instance it matters is printing, and as long as you match your color space with your printer's, you'll be fine. Even if you drop $2000 on a high quality LCD, the wide majority of people looking at your images through a monitor will NOT have the same color spaces as you.
What we really need is a UNIFIED color space for monitors. It doesn't help much getting a $2000 LCD if the colors are drastically different from another $2000 LCD made by a different company.
TIP :: Hitting Print Screen while looking at your canvas in an image-editing application will make a copy of your image, only it doesn't use the color space of your document, it uses the color space of your monitor. Very useful... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30Why they ***** never cannot fit all article onto one page?
- shredswithpiks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20I dunno how your getting dugg up for this engrish... but whatever.
*diggs you up* - quine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Avoid the ad-spam and cut to the chase:
Conclusion
The monitors described in this article can’t be considered as direct rivals. They rather offer you some freedom of choice between models each of which has its own pros and cons.
If the SyncMaster XL20 cost $5000, there wouldn’t be any competition because NEC and EIZO offer professional monitors with the same LED-based backlighting, but broader capabilities and much better setup in this sector. But the XL20 costs less than half that money and is thus a competitor to the NEC SpectraView 2190.
Compared to it, the XL20 has drawbacks:
* One-inch smaller display, although with the same native resolution
* Lower quality of the factory setup: the monitor is set up just like good home monitors, but no better. This is largely compensated by the included calibrator GretagMacbeth Eye-One Display 2 and the monitor’s support for full-featured hardware calibration
* Fewer settings: the XL20 doesn’t differ much from ordinary home monitors in this respect whereas NEC’s 2190 series offers broad opportunities for manual color reproduction setup. Yet this drawback is again partially compensated by the calibrator.
And it has one big advantage:
* Enhanced color gamut. The XL20’s color gamut is indeed much larger than that of monitors with CCFL-based backlighting. It doesn’t have competitors in this parameter in the price category of $2000.
Thus, the problem of choice between NEC’s 2190 series (MultiSync or SpectraView, depending on whether you need the calibrator or not) and the XL20 comes down to what’s important for your personal needs, accurate and rich settings or a larger color gamut. I can’t say that the NEC or the Samsung is definitely better. Either of them can be preferable, depending on the particular requirements. I also hope that Samsung will have corrected most of the mentioned drawbacks by the release date as they are all related to the monitor’s setup and software rather than to its hardware capabilities. They’ve already decided to change the included calibrator, replacing the X-Rite Huey with the more advanced Eye-One Display 2.
I also want to draw your attention to the fact that Samsung has proved that the LED-based backlight isn’t that expensive by itself. It is quite possible to make a monitor with such backlight that would have a high, yet more or less affordable, price. I am sure there will soon appear new monitors with LED-based backlight at prices comparable to the XL20. Without doubt, such models will eventually oust all others in the sector of professional monitors. - mikepanic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9OK - lets get real here for a minute - I actually work in the print industry, the lab I work at uses almost all Eizo monitors, CRT and some LCD, some Dell's here and there. The best of the best is Eizo, nuff said. The best of the best isn't anything unless you use a hardware calibration too, often called a puck. There are a few on the market, eye-one who recently aquired monaco is by far the best imho, the spyder2 doesn't have great software but it is better then nothing. You need to calibrate your monitor every 30 days. You need to, thats it. W/out doing so, you might as well edit blind. You also need to know the color temp of the room you are editing in, if you don't, you'll never get your monitor calibrated properly. If you use a laptop for a main computer to edit colors on, get an external LCD unit, otherwise you will never have consistant color, different viewing angles, locations, etc.
Read www.shootsmarter.com - there are real world monitor reviews from a professional (non-endorced) commercial photographer who tells it like it is. There are also 2 levels of LCD, level 1 and level 2. Level 1 includes all apple cinema displays and all laptops, these do not have the dynamic range of a level 2 monitor, such as Eizo and higher end Viewsonics.
You will also need to match print whatever your output is. If you are using a photographic lab for printing of digital files, get a test print from them and then hold it up to your monitor, see how close it is. Same goes for offset printing and any other sort of printing. - groverblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Simple: More advertisements per article.
- Ulvund, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Professional monitors -- so these monitors actually do this for a living ?
Not like them amateur monitors, always doing it on tuesdays and fridays. Laughing away, like the monitor game is some sort of social club. - Alisic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6If you're doing graphics professionally, you need good colour reproduction. And even though you think so because you're used to it, your standard $500 LCD doesn't really cut it. A good CRT is required at least, even better is to have both. And even then if you're doing stuff for printing, you have to print your progress occasionally, to get a clear picture of how things are.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4he probably was too mad to think about this )))
- monospaced, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Accurate color means everything. A design firm can lose thousands in time and productivity lost to inaccurate color-correcting and -proofing. Monitor / printer calibration helps drastically, and spending $5,000 on a monitor that provides a more "professional" quality picture (gamut and color space, etc...) is worth it when working on big projects that can suffer drastically from color errors.
- einsteindesign, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"...because NEC and EIZO offer professional monitors with the same LED-based backlighting..."
Eizo doesnt use LED backlighting. - SeniorElGuapo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Digg: the place where people get comments buried for simply mentioning Apple.
You are right, the ACDs are excellent displays. Not as good as Eizos and some NECs but they calibrate very well and suit the needs of a majority of people.
They just need to be updated. - jmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Some great thoughts about LCD's from Karl Lang (architect of the Sony Artisan). 4th post down, quoted by "Neoprinter".
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9613 - haydesigner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So what exactly was this calibration kit?
- dialector, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8It saves bandwidth over loading the whole article for the majority who arnt going to read the whole thing anyways. And it allows them to put up more ads.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3[quote]The epithet “professional” is among the favorites of any hardware manufacturer, not only when it comes to computers.[/quote]
These monitors are intended for professionals who require accurate color. Just as there are grayscale monitors designed solely for medical imaging. It is assumed that no hobbyist would be willing to spend so much $$$ on a monitor or require such exacting results.
Do you think that $35,000 "professional" digital cameras are also just an overpriced gimmick? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32000 to 5000 dollars, no thanks I take a CRT over that.
- spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4re: "What we really need is a UNIFIED color space for monitors."
Isn't this already in progress with sRGB? - starquake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"never cannot" is wrong isn't it? just asking...
- joelgilbert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This will probably be your GFX BIOS/Card
- Sabin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Not sure about now but about 8 years ago a good CRT designed for colour correction would run you in the neighbourhood of 7000-10000 dolors. I'm pretty sure the ones at my dads print shop were made by barco though they don't seem to produce them anymore.
It may seem ridiculous to most but its worth that price if you can show your customers a screen proof and make accurate colour adjustments instead of having to make several actual press proofs. Sure you can charge the customer for the press setup and proof but you make more money actually running the job. High end monitors like that are NOT for consumers or even professional designers. They are almost strictly for the print industry and in that field they are worth every penny. - SeniorElGuapo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Perhaps the average $500 LCD won't cut it but higher-end LCDs most certainly do. They have been for a number of years.
Karl Lang (designer of the Sony Artisan CRT) has said that CRTs are not a good solution since the axe of the Artisan monitors since the industry is now focusing all their efforts on LCDs. This means companies building CRTs are no longer using quality components suitable for color-accurate work since that is not where the really profitable technology is. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You're probably better off with a standard LCD, since gaming and video is going to require fast response times.
Maybe get one of those cheap 22" widescreen gaming LCDs, and get a 21" CRT for doing photo/graphic work. Both of those combined are only about $600 total. The only drawback is the weight and size of those huge CRTs. - phatvolvo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3dude, his english is fine.. the title was "what you should know" and he thought he should know why they ***** NEVER cannot fit all article onto one page...
someone should make an extension that un-paginates these, because adblock destroys all the ads anyway. - SeniorElGuapo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Perhaps an accurate display isn't crucial for CMYK work (and from the stories I've heard of prepress folk clueless about color management driving photographers nuts, it must be the case) it is however crucially important for someone working with RGB and printing to C-41 printers or fine-art ink-jets.
- dotdan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It saves bandwidth? The extra HTML needed to load the second page usually outweighs the amount of text being displayed.
- streetstealth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I work in print design... It's true you really need to work with accurate color, but most of the time the critical stuff is done at the press end. For most applications, it doesn't really matter if you're a little off on screen as long as you're using the appropriate CMYK or Pantone values, and always double-check proofs from the press house against a master before running anything.
So while you want a reasonably accurate monitor, it's actually not that critical in print because you never make color judgments from monitors anyway. - MonkeyFarts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Never cannot" is a double negative. It gramatically bastardizes the English language. The appropriate way of saying it would have been, "Why can't they ever fit the entire article on a single page?" Or even better, "Why don't they just put the entire article on a single page?"
- SeniorElGuapo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2A unified color space is completely unnecessary if you properly calibrate and profile the display. The color management system takes care of any inconsistencies between different displays. It just happens that sRGB (stands for Strongburn RGB after the guy who made it, not Standard RGB like many think) is what's commonly used.
sRGB is not an ideal choice for a display standard when talking about professional applications. It's most common simply due to technological limitations. sRGB was originally created to represent the color and tonal reproduction of a typical 15" CRT monitor circa 1996 when viewed under 65K lighting. Why the hell would you want to be stuck with that forever?
An ideal solution would be to create a display with as large of a gamut as possible but two things have to happen first.
First, limitations of color reproduction keep the images currently displayed in a small gamut of color. Companies are already working on AdobeRGB based displays but they remain quite expensive. It'll be many years before anything larger comes along.
The second half of the equation is in bit-depth. Current systems are 8-bits per channel (bpc) which limit how large of a gamut the display can render beyond AdobeRGB and it limits severely ones ability to alter the displays color rendering via LUTs. For a change in bit-depth, the display, connection standard, video card and OS all have to support it. Future display connection standards will allow for up to 16bpc images which will pave the way for this to happen.
Once all these ducks line up it'll be a glorious thing. It may be a solid 5-10 years though. - mugenkeiji, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The epithet “professional” is among the favorites of any hardware manufacturer, not only when it comes to computers. The customer is given to understand that professionals, i.e. people who a priori have a deeper grasp of the given matter than himself, would prefer this very product. But this epithet has almost lost any practical meaning as it is now being hung on every item that is somehow different from others in characteristics or price. There’s a lot of “professional” equipment, from frying pans to computers, in every shop.
The only reason I read on was because of the above. He makes a good point. Thanks moron American wage-slaves, like you tards on Digg, who would like to ascribe some sort of importance to their mind-numbingly menial and largely unskilled cubicle-monkey jobs, and who have taken to adding adjective 'professional' to more or less anything (professional chef, professional graphics design artist, professional sportsman to illustrate my point) as though the word 'professional' has connotations of diligence, competence and education (if it did, that would make its new use even more absurd in most of its applications), the word now has no meaning whatsoever. Good job, you *****. The meaning of another word lost, at least in common parlance, to American illiteracy. - Cyberdactyl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No problem if you have room for a pot-bellied stove on your desk.
- umbolo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"All reviews are stellar" - do you know how reviews function? Not just hardware reviews, any reviews - music, car, medicament, book etc. But that's not the point here. We're talking about professional grade LCD displays like Eizo, NECs etc., and that Dell can't even com close to them, in any aspect (viewing angles, color reproduction, backlight quality etc.), only response times might be better on that Dell, and that's really not important for color critical work. Yes, that Dell is very cheap display for its size, and it will be good choice for many users (although they should opt for 2407, Rev 3), but it comes nowhere near displays like NEC 2190UXi, NEC 2690WUXi or Eizo Color Edge displays.
- Autoclave, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I got mine for $570 in December when they had a 15% off plus an additional 15% off for 5 hours one day. I love it. I haven't used a spyder on it yet, but have used adobe gamma and the on screen color tools to get it close enough for my present needs.
- twatwaffle, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Why the hell is color reproduction in MS Office of all things so imortant? Its freggin MS Office...
BTW how to Apple displays stack up? - einsteindesign, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Because the smaller monitor has a superior color gamut. Your Apple monitor -- although it's SWOP certified and is used in countless color-critical environments -- can only display about 72% of NTSC and about 76% of Adobe RGB.
The Samsung is the first of a new generation of monitors coming out this year with much wider gamut. NEC's new 26" will have about 92% NTSC, and the Samsung has a stunning 114% NTSC. - antdude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Good article. I am about to find (need to see them) and buy a new LCD 17"/19" monitor from a local retail store in Los Angeles (e.g.,Best Buy, Fry's Electronics). So far, I am not impressed with their specifications because I game a lot (FPS included), watch videos (even HDTV since I have a HDTV tuner card), and do basic graphic works (photographs too). I looked at the weekly ads and so far not impressed.
Are there any good ones that I should check out? Also, I need VGA support due to my old 2-ports KVM (PS/2 and VGA) since the newer KVMs with DVI are SOO expensive (also have to buy cables). - LordLucless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And "never cannot" is still a double negative, no matter how many expletives you put between them.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I was looking at those on eBay. Very tempting. But I'd also have to get a new desk, because it would crush the one I have now.
- mattlamb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
LCD or CRT? Think about your end use for your images etc.
1/ End use is web- LCD, higher contrast better sharper for text and image detail. is fine and maybe better as most people will be using LCD to view the web.
2/ End use is Print- CRT, better tonal range has less contrast and will proof photos intended for print far more accurately. Will also save enough $ to buy a much better computer. - mattlamb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0One question is if you get the LCD how long well it last, my 23" Apple only lasted 3yrs (went black and was told its not fixable and no discount or help to replace it, wow that really inspires me to buy another.
Purchased in 2002 for over $5,000 smackers! my old Commodore 64 monitor is still going strong and I am fed up with corporations expecting us to think that technology is disposable and why worry just upgrade.
I replaced it with an old 21" CRT from a government (thanks tax payers) auction for $150.00 and its still working fine. - MicrowavedH2o, on 10/12/2007, -2/+111 pages are you kidding me?
Is this a retarded site with a sentence on each page, or more like its an actual scholarly journal article?
Either way, not worth my time. - greenmky, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I'm giving up my 24" widescreen (22.5" viewable) Sony Trinitron-tubed FW900....never. Over my dead body! Or maybe SED. Someday.
- SmartITGuy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Do you enjoy looking at the 2 lines caused by Trinitron's aperature-grill hold-up wires? That always annoyed me to no end.
*****/Panasonic made the best picture tubes in the world!
The best CRT monitor ever made is the 21" Viewsonic P815 (-1M). It used a Panasonic tube. It made the cutest 'ping' sound when it degaussed.
I also said I would never ever give it up. While the president of my company bought everyone a new 22" LCD, I said no thank you because I don't want to lose my 2048x1536 resolution just for a fancy gimmicky LCD. ...As soon as I discovered it he let me buy Dell's 30" 3007WFP. Now I enjoy 2560x1600. THIS is a nice screen! - Cyberdactyl, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I've had my Dell 2405FPW (24") for 10 months and love it. Can be found for as low as $825 if you look hard enough. All reviews are stellar or well above average.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3never cannot?
- xanderOZ, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1tis called teh nwe grammah... we'd better get used to it huh ?
- Kazimieras, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Yes and no. RGB is a standard, but how the monitor displays the data it receives varies. You take two different monitors, with the same RGB setting and put them next to each other, and you will find that colors will not be the same. This is most likely due to everyone not being able to fully calibrate their monitors properly (and by properly I mean to a perfect standard).
- seventen, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2How about this. Go out and spend $1000 on a mac 23' HD display and use that bad boy. I use it on my PC, and the color reproduction is excellent. Everyone in my design firm uses it, and swears by the quality. Why spend 1500 on a smaller monitor? Only downside of the mac is you won't be able to see the bios post info when you first start up. Other than that, its great.
- KingLeo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I use a 23" Cinema Display (Apple) and it works wonders. I simply used a calibration kit I got for free from this print shop when I needed to make some business postcards, and it worked perfectly. I highly recommend it.
- somnus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Don't dig him down, a lot of people are curious; we use them at work.
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