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- Sagard, on 10/12/2007, -31/+234I'd never buy a PS3, and I'm not a fan of sony, but...this just isn't right.
The PS3's chip isn't designed for a intensive load of general-purpose calculations. It's designed to play games, and therefore its mainly designed for vector calculations and other things more prevalent in games, unlike normal CPUs. Therefore, running tests for a general CPU is like testing an elephant on its ability to fly...it just doesn't add up.
But still...Buy a Wii. - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -12/+159"I couldn't have said it better myself :)"
Actually, I think you probably could. - rocke86, on 10/12/2007, -3/+141"Too much Gängelung for too much money."
well said - nzknzknzk, on 10/12/2007, -19/+132"With a short test under Linux we have determined that those
most applications to the PS3 under Linux straight times with that
Speed of a PentiumIII with 800Mhz run.
And is not because of that tormenting to lame diagram or that
suboptimalem Plattenzugriff, that are pure CCU tests. For one
Filter core CCU is armseelig however explainable that: The secondary CCUs are
for Linux not visibly and would be anyway much too special for one
pure working environment and the main CCU are rather and obendrauf
comes that the compilers at present rather lausigen PPC code produce. In
direct comparison to a G5 with 1,8Ghz was the 3,2Ghz Cell
partly even more slowly however on each not considerably faster.
Then 256MB is already nearly too little for usual Unix applications and
my USB non removable disk supplied also only scarcely where 35MB/s to 18MB/s with
at my age-old K7-800 are normal. Even OpenTTD, technically
Play from the year 1992, was practically unspielbar on the PS3.
Summary: Lame CCU, little RAM, bad compilers, through
Hardware abstraction additionally braked. Too much Gängelung for too
much money.
Thus who wants to use seriously on a PS3 Linux: Purchase you up
E-Bay a used 1Ghz PC with 384MB RAM and 40GB plate, that
if much €100 with accessories costs, and consumption is more performanter
less river."
I couldn't have said it better myself :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -125/+228Everyone knows the PS3 is a piece of ***** anyway. Wii FTW !
- Shorties, on 10/12/2007, -41/+109PS3 is a Jack of all trades, master of none.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+52Quote of the year:
Too much Gängelung for too much money. - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -6/+53Here are real benchmark comments, instead of some guy's rant:
http://www.geekpatrol.ca/2006/11/playstation-3-performance/
Performs similar to a Powermac G5. This could be due to many factors.
"So while the Geekbench results might seem disappointing, keep in mind that Geekbench can’t exercise the PlayStation 3 to its full potential." - Xeth, on 10/12/2007, -8/+41Yeah, lets benchmark the GeForce 8800 GTX with general purpose code while we're at it.
- nyrol2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37With all of this said, i have come to the conclusion that consumption is more performanter less river.
- Ahnteis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34>>Actually man, I think Sony does want him as a customer.. I think they want as many customers as they can get, and right now they sorta kind of need them.
No. They want people who will buy games. People who only run linux are costing them $300 per console. :P - Conquerist, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31Roughly translated that means:
"Too little unusual for too much money." or
"Too little bang per buck."
While it would literally translate to:
"Too much usual for too much money." - DeusMachinae, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24No, the Cell is a PowerPC processor, and runs Linux natively.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30> Evaluating it as a General Purpose Computer is not a fair comparison.
If it parades around as if it is one and Sony wants it to be used as one it's fair as hell. :o - gutterboy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25These benchmarks are completely pointless. It is like test driving a Ferrari at a go-kart track.
- nonsequitor, on 10/12/2007, -11/+31Ok, keep your head in the sand. Digg me down for stating the facts. Currently there is not a linux distro geared for performance on the Cell Architecture, saying "but it runs on powerpc natively" and sheepishly feigning ignorance when the difference is pointed out is childish. I know most diggers don't like Sony, but try to argue using facts, not prejudices.
- DiggLurker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20If i read the article correctly, poor PPC optimization in the compiler is one of the things he blames. But trying to read machine translated articles is like... well.. is like trying to run linux on a PS3.
- SalParadice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19I'm just saying because in my day it meant F*ck the World
- OneAndOnlySnob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Ahnteis: "No. They want people who will buy games. People who only run linux are costing them $300 per console. :P"
I think Sony will forgive them if they buy some Blu-Ray DVDs to watch on it. I'm convinced that's the only thing Sony cares about this time around. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Does this mean that my old 800MHz PIII can run Resistance?
- Endd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Yes.
Try It. - bassist, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25Sick and tired of PS3 anti-campaign on Digg. Off to www.netscape.com
- omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18The PS3 was designed to be a Blu-ray delivery device to increase Sony's market share over HD-DVD. Because Blu-ray was so cost-prohibitive, the rest of the system's hardware had to suffer to keep the package affordable. Even then it's still overpriced.
- thomashallock, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19I think about 2.4 GHz were lost in the translation of that article.
- harlowsmonkeys, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16The cell processor is essentially a PowerPC and 7 DSPs. The DSPs do not have direct access to main memory (you have to DMA stuff in for them, have them operate on it, and DMA results out), and their instruction set is very different from the PowerPC-like part of the chip.
What this means, nonsequitur, is that to use the DSPs, you need applications *specifically* written to use them. It's not just a matter of making your application multi-threaded, and letting the OS run some of the threads on them. Because of this, it will never be an impressive general purpose computer--it will always be a rather pedestrian PowerPC, comparable to an old Mac, and to add insult to injury, a shortage of RAM. - neonic, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20I don't know if this is true or not, but one possible cause that this may be running slow is that it could be a linux box in a VM on top of Sony's proprietary OS.
- PigThief, on 10/12/2007, -12/+23airiox, although these tests may not be designed for the PS3 processor, neither will any other application you'll be running. Therefore, your argument is moot.
- dBLiSS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12"Too much Gängelung for too much money."
Pfff.. I've been saying that about the PS3 for months now. - cfazzini, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12afaik Linux can't currently use any of those other cores, not that they are super useful for much anyway, as they aren't general purpose cores.
- nightguilt, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16did everyone suddenly forget that the cell cpu has eight special-purpose cores in addition to its main core (the one on which--almost certainly--those reviewers ran everything)?
- easyone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Forget Farkism's, we're bringing Diggism's here in a big way.
- mctk, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19Thanks for the link. Is digg really so desperate for anti-PS3 material?
- ZakMcRofl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@Conquerist:
Actually Gängelung means something completely different. You could probably translate it with "too many hoops to jump through for too much money". The word itself means that someone has a tight grip on something and uses it to force something upon someone. - stateq2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13The PS2 cpu was only 300mhz
- nonsequitor, on 10/12/2007, -12/+22Evaluating it as a General Purpose Computer is not a fair comparison. If you look at Apps designed towards it's strengths like the FOLDING@HOME one. Compare those stats and get back to me.
- gfair, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20Oh yeah? How fast is Linux on the X360. Hah! I'd love to see that test. How fast is it on the Wii?
Testing an OS that isn't made for a platform is an utter joke. Let the PS3 games speak for the performance of the platform. - rampur, on 10/12/2007, -12/+20how the hell is this even credible
- EruLabs, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15You people need to go take COMSC 101 at your local CC.
"The PS3's chip isn't designed for a intensive load of general-purpose calculations. It's designed to play games, and therefore its mainly designed for vector calculations and other things more prevalent in games, unlike normal CPUs. Therefore, running tests for a general CPU is like testing an elephant on its ability to fly...it just doesn't add up." -Sagard
Yay, someone seems to understand basic computer science! Look people, performance under a linux kernel using (im sure) GCC to compile wont show you the 'power' of this machine, it shows you how it runs with linux and GCC :-D. Its an 8 core processor, and the guy says right there, the kernel is built for a single core. Please, Teraflops does NOT equal 'in system' performance, not to mention 'out of system' performance.
Really, dont even read computer hardware reviews till your smart enough to know what the hell to do. - lordjpg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@broomett
Actually man, I think Sony does want him as a customer.. I think they want as many customers as they can get, and right now they sorta kind of need them.
Business generally like money and don't really hate on those who can provide it to them... - Danryan1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Nice to know that Borat was able to get Linux running on his PS3.
- RAT-Man, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15That's really cool man. /riley martin
The PS3 hate around the place is absolutely silly btw. - DDoSAttack, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17When you purchase a PS3 are you buying a personal computer or a system specifically designed to play DVD movies and games?
I don't understand why people would think that those results would be disappointing, I mean after all a game console is not much more than a super beefed up graphics processor. - dagger89, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Marked as Inaccurate.
Why? Simple, Linux CANNOT work with the PS3's GPU- SONY BLOCKED IT TO PREVENT PIRACY AND RUNNING EMULATORS (like PCSX2) UNDER LINUX. Think about it, would they want you to play illegally downloaded games for free or make you pay for your games? Duh. This should be a no-brainer.
And if you think about it, it makes sense. What emulators run under linux on the PS3? PS1? No
N64? No
PS2? No
SNES? Yes
Just because Sony blocked GPU doesn't make it as crappy as a 800mhz P3, not to mention, under Linux, only 2 of the cell cores can be used...
And I guarentee all the XBox360 and Wii fanboys will Digg this explanation down.... sigh - Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8That's second-year computer science, actually. The first two semesters cover exciting subjects like USB and hardware versus software, and force you to make crappy webpages.
- frederic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Heise's CT magazine is probably the most respected German IT publication. The depth of their reviews puts any other publication to shame - even if you have never heard of them.
However, this is just a comment in Heise Online's forum - nothing done by the magazine itself - this a user's comments. - elf586, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11umm who here thinks that linux is not designed for the specific cell processor in the ps3?
just cause it works on the ps3 doesnt mean it is running efficiantly on the hardware.
from what i can tell of the fractured english due to the translation they were having problems running the dignostic on other cell processors...
"In direct comparison to a G5 with 1,8Ghz was the 3,2Ghz Cell partly even more slowly however on each not considerably faster." - jull1234, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_slang#F
"***** the World" would be viable.. if it were on the ass of a biker chick or something. - khellendros1984, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8The cell processor has a *very* odd structure. When it's using regular PPC instruction sets, it's only using a small subset of its potential. Just like a PC will run faster on P4 compiled code than it would on say...i386 or something. The compiler just wasn't designed for the cell processor specifically.
- belteshazzar, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11please, someone point me to a digg user that has half a brain ... OFCOURSE it runs linux slowly ... it doesn't have much ram and linux is running on only part of the cell, the power based core ... all of the other cores are NOT being used by linux ... what are the other cores used for ... mainly streaming data ... so the ps3 kicks arse at games and media tasks
- deiphobus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Oh again with the anti-playstation 3 rant. You people keep complaining. The PS3 is built for games. The article looks like the work of a dunce. What kind of idiot would believe that the PS3's processor is up to par with the Pentium 2?
Those who hate the Playstation 3 are the ones who are too poor to buy one. -
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