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- insanebrain, on 11/03/2009, -1/+32Try holding a netbook to your ear.
- ohreilly, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1950% marketshare, I think, is a sign that they are competing. Just not in the US.
- galore, on 11/03/2009, -3/+16Or, alternatively, Nokia could design a really good smartphone and compete.
- jordanmoore, on 11/03/2009, -2/+15It has to be said though, the Nokia netbook does kick ass.
- ModernTenshi, on 11/03/2009, -0/+12I played with one of their Booklets at Best Buy a couple days ago. Very nice design, and Windows 7 seemed to run very well on it. I thought the keys would take a bit of getting used to, but overall I was very impressed with the design of the system itself, easily the best looking netbook on the market.
Sadly I'm not able to choke down the $600 price tag for a non-subsidized model, nor can I readily afford the $60/month in 3G broadband access, otherwise I'd probably own one by now. - rchargel, on 11/03/2009, -0/+8Tablet PC and Netbook are not mutually exclusive. Also, if I were Nokia (I'd be rich), I would build a smart phone with a docking station that could accept a full monitor and keyboard, so it could basically be a smart phone and a netbook.
- phogasmic, on 11/03/2009, -1/+9no they shouldn't. Netbooks are popular, but they are going to have a short lifespan. They are kind of like place holders until we get a good tablet pc.
- thinkdifferent, on 11/03/2009, -1/+9Netbooks are loss leaders and at this point commodity items. Why would a company like Nokia go from the comparatively profitable smartphone market to the commodity market of netbooks?
There is also the problem of negative brand image. I have an MSI wind & have also played with the Dell & HP netbooks. The experience with them is horrible. It's an unusable keyboard & some software won't even work as it assumes a larger screen resolution. Their only benefit is they are cheap. I would be hard pressed to want to buy something else from any of those brands given my negative experience.
Nokia would be in the same boat, yet they would be in a worse position having gone from a position of profit to one of razor thin margins if any & also get the negative impression. That's a losing proposition. - emkaysmith, on 11/03/2009, -0/+7My wife is a corporate techie/admin type who stood in line at the store to buy an iPhone the first day they were available. She has a gazillion apps on that thing and loves it. Plays with it constantly. I, on the other hand, have the cheapest Nokia I could get, and it's now a badly out-of-date model -- but it still makes and receives actual phone calls just fine. There's still a few of us in the world.
OTOH, I *do* have a new Acer netbook. . . . - louisut, on 11/03/2009, -2/+9so they should just drop the 50% market share bc they haven't stumbled on the right formula domestically? buried.
- emkaysmith, on 11/03/2009, -0/+6Try holding a Mustang to your ear.
- FairDinkumMate, on 11/03/2009, -1/+7iPhone is a great hint why - too many average American consumers are far more interested in what is trendy than in what is practical. As far as smart phones go, the iPhone has its place(games, video, etc are awesome on it!), but that place shouldn't be in the pockets of business users that need efficient & effective email, document readers, etc.
- Giac, on 11/03/2009, -2/+8I don't get why nokia is so unpopular in the US....they make great smartphones. Their touch screen s60 5th edition phones are waay better than any smartphone running WinMo.
- miket, on 11/03/2009, -1/+4and why does android suck? Not saying it doesnt, just wondering if you could, you know, back your claim with some better reasoning.
- rchargel, on 11/03/2009, -4/+7I would actually be more interested in a linux netbook with phone capabilities, than a phone that runs linux. Especially since Maemo is really just a repackaged Debian distribution, and Android sucks. Nokia should really try to push into this market before Google gets in with their soon to be released Chrome OS (not a Linux friendly Linux OS). If Nokia can make headway, they could get a big enough market share that they give Google a run for their money.
FULL DISCLOSURE: rchargel is an employee of a wholly owned subsidiary of Nokia. - Bootlessjam, on 11/03/2009, -0/+3This guy doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. Apart from calling it the M900, Nokia ARE letting the customer choose what carrier to use, and Nokia don't have to worry about competing with the US market, no matter what their phones are going to sell like hotcakes all over the world.
- JQP123, on 11/03/2009, -0/+3Here's what the "netbook" of the very near future looks like:
http://venturebeat.com/2009/10/18/plastic-logic-un ... - miket, on 11/03/2009, -0/+3i can fit a netbook in my cargo pocket. 5+ inches of extra screen space is a lot of computer
- stotty, on 11/03/2009, -0/+3Netbooks are great, but I don't want to carry the weight and size of one every time I go out. A phone/smart phone is far more practical when just going out casual. Besides, why would a company like Nokia suddenly cut off a large portion of its revenue by ceasing sale of phones?
- rchargel, on 11/04/2009, -0/+2@rpgmakr
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. How long you been doing this kid? If I'm a company that develops an application for mobile devices, how many API's do you think I'm going to want to support? If there is one API that works on say 70% of systems (iPhone's SDK), and another that works on 20% of systems (Python, Perl, C/C++, Java, all work on Maemo and almost all other Linux based Mobil devices), then there is this one offshoot that only supports their own non-standard version of Java, it's unlikely that I'm going to spend the millions of dollars it can take to build and support a totally separate codebase for that one offshoot.
It's the same reason it took so many companies so long to write software for Mac. For the longest time Mac had less then 1% market share. It just wasn't cost effective, it had nothing to do with laziness. Once Mac started catching on, people started writing software for it. It the same thing with desktop Linux software (Linux has a huge market in both servers and mobile devices already). As long as desktop Linux has less than 1% market share, Adobe isn't going to write a Photoshop for Linux (and in that case, they'd really just have to recompile that Mac version, but it's still too expensive to support another release).
See, this is why miket's question was a good question. He wanted me to at least give some reason why I don't like Android. I gave him a reason, he may not agree, but it is a valid point, even for a Google fanboy. Your statement was just a waste of energy for all involved. Ever hear the expression, "it's better to keep your mouth shut and have everyone think you're a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it?" - rchargel, on 11/03/2009, -3/+5"N900 kicks ass, but is way to expensive"
- me (a d-bag who owns a $30 cell phone) - SteveMax, on 11/03/2009, -0/+2Read about resistive vs capacitive touch screen technologies. Both have advantages and disadvantages; you can't just say that one of the solutions is "wrong".
I know I'd rather have the precision of a resistive touchscreen (which gives it handwriting capabilities) and the possibility to use any object besides my fingers to activate the screen (fingers == fingerprints and grease) than having a slightly more sensitive screen (prone to accidental activation) and multitouch (useful, but not as necessary as handwriting recognition for my usage patterns). - JQP123, on 11/03/2009, -0/+2No, I think I would prefer a bluetooth headset like this:
http://us.jawbone.com/ - rchargel, on 11/03/2009, -0/+2Don't like the fact that it can't run standard linux software. It has to use only the Java API that google provides, which makes it harder for developers to code for it, and harder for linux users to get software. Maemo is basically a Debian distro, which will run any linux software that supports a smaller GUI for mobil apps.
- jtown, on 11/03/2009, -0/+2Netbooks are a commodity. How could anyone dominate that kind of market. They've evolved into a pretty standard configuration. 10" screen, Intel Atom N270 processor, USB2 ports, video out, audio out, SD/MS card slot, webcam, touchpad. And that's it. Variation exists only in the color of the plastic. Going outside that list of specs drives the price out of the market segment.
- rpgmakr, on 11/03/2009, -0/+2This is the stupidest headline I've read in years.
- rpgmakr, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1They have good smartphones. What they REALLY have to do is to work symbian from the ground up to meet today's standards. It's really good but it can look a little dated in some of their phones. They are changing it very slowly.
- hiroshima23, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1They have Great smart phones already, I own both a E61 and E63 and those phones blow the doors off of blackberry's and other such phones. Unlike most people I actually use most of the features on my phone all the time, I multitask with it, edit document's print, build spreadsheets, e-mail, text and chat, along with bluetooth file transfers and tethering.
And i've had no issues with either one of those phones keeping up with me. - juliusthecat, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1I've got windows 7 on my EEEPc 1000 and it runs great. All the hot keys works and everything. The keyboard is actually quite usable, but I'm not going to type out a paper for school on it, or write a program. A net book shouldn't be your primary computer.
- peestandingup, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1That equals truth.
- truck87bp, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1Netbooks are killing the Laptop market.
Windows 7 totally sucks on Netbooks.
World Wide, Intel is developing a bad name for lousy GPU's in Netbooks. (Can't view YouTube in full screen-UTTER FAILURE) Don't waste your money on Intel GPU's like we did.
Nvidia ION or AMD equal should only considered when buying the larger Netbooks.
Netbook manufactures need to stop taking dictation from Intel and Microsoft. They positioned in squeeze mode for the next 5 months.Use it or lose it.
Intel and Microsoft are going to fail in the Netbook market very soon. Competition becoming too strong and growing monthly with new Architectures and Software from outside suppliers. - chris4404, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1No, I think I would prefer a bluetooth car like this:
http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/mustang/ - pinchduck, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1Don't hold it by the tailpipe if it's been running for very long. Also, don't put the tailpipe on your ear.
- j2g7d, on 11/10/2009, -0/+1Blackberry has had the help of being on the best network (verizon) as well as always being the most practical.
I've loved the nokia phones I had, and I remember always wanting the nokia (n90 i think it was) which flipped open down the middle to display what was a cross between a smartphone and a netbook. Long before their time, this phone was just too high priced.
Most americans are too lazy/stupid ot actually evaluate the technology they purchase. Apple has done a great job of marketing their phone, ever since steve jobs has come back they've come up with some of the greatest and simplest products on the market. Their touch technology patents will allow them to have the best touch-screen-only phones for a few more years.
I personally just got the blackberry tour from verizon and love it. If nokia offered a phone on the verizon network I'd definitely consider it, if not own one. apple iphone also has a great browser compared to the blackberry default browser i must admit, but the ability to have multiple apps open at once isn't there. I can toggle between apps to copy and paste information, take 3.2 megapixel photos use vlingo more efficiently and launch apps with quicklaunch much more conveniently than "swishing" thru screens of icons on the iphone.
All in all i think its the loss of the relationship between Nokia and the service providers that has led americans to stray from nokia phones. My business line is a prepaid nokia phone I got for 30 dollars and I LOVE IT. It needs charged 1 maybe 2 times per week and has all the basics i need. - truck87bp, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1You haven't seen a HP 311 have you? or any of the others coming down the pike. They are dominating the market because they are light weight, portable, longer battery life than most Laptops, you can bear to have it sitting on you lap for 2 hours instead of 1/2 hour, they are inexpensive and you can usually wait to burn a CD or DVD untill you get home. If a built-in DVD burner is a strict necessity to lug around, buy a Laptop.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1"eleven out of ten cars on the street in North Africa are Peugeots"
So Peugeot has a market penetration of 110%?!? Whoa! - SteveMax, on 11/05/2009, -0/+1"Who on earth uses handwriting for the English alphabet?"
Who on Earth prefers an iPhone-like onscreen keyboard over a good handwriting recognition system?! For any quick notes where you don't want to bother opening the keyboard (when there is a keyboard) and need to keep your eyes on other things (ie, keep your eyes out of the screen), there is no other reasonable choice.
The point is, a capacitive screen limits what you can do with your device: you can't use its screen for any task that requires precision. A resistive screen limits how you can do things with your device ("multitouch" gestures can be adapted for single-touch usage), and even that is changing (there are patents for multitouch hardware on resistive screens). - Nephersir7, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1Domestically? Nokia is Finnish...
- jtown, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1You're out of your element, Donny. That's not the conversation that's going on here. The conversation that's going on here is regarding domination WITHIN the netbook market and the fact that, within the netbook market, there is little variation which makes them fairly interchangeable and, therefore, a commodity.
- zbeast, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1Netbooks are junk, looking for a market... why pay for a "netbook" when you can buy a full featured laptop for the
same price. Far as i can tell netbooks are just there to sell low end processors that chip makers can't give
away. - joriahp, on 11/11/2009, -1/+1Asus netbook is very robust for its size and it's a real value price wise. It's prompted several nice comments from people who have seen me with it. http://www.bestlaptopvalue.com/Asus-Eee-Pc-1005Ha- ...
- Twinnie, on 11/04/2009, -1/+1I know resistive screens are good for and since the Western market isn't that interested in using Hiragana or whatever. Eastern markets like resistive, almost everyone in the Western markets wants capacitative. I was saying that Nokia should release a different one for each market, not just choose one for both.
Who on earth uses handwriting for the English alphabet? I used to have a HTC Himalaya and it takes ages compared to using a keyboard. And as far as fingerprints, most companies are now working out oil resistant screens. If anyone needs the other so bad they can import it with little fuss. - jerrycan, on 11/03/2009, -2/+1I find my 10" eeepc quite usable. I'm never going back to a normal laptop. those thing start to feel like a cinder block by comparison.
- Twinnie, on 11/03/2009, -3/+2What Nokia don't seem to realise is that the mobile phone is going through a bit of a golden age right now. If they want to compete they need to stop cutting corners and making compromises. No more resistive touch screens for the Western markets.
- rpgmakr, on 11/03/2009, -2/+1@rchargel: That doesn't make a sucker out of the android OS but makes you look a lazy programmer.
- ThantiK, on 11/03/2009, -3/+1My EEE 900a is a dream. And unless you have clubbed fingers, the keyboards are 92% on netbooks nowadays. Your somehow telling me that 8% less keyboard makes a netbook unusable?
Your one of those people who think a netbook is meant to be a replacement for a full fledged desktop system. It's not. It's meant for...you know...browsing...
THE 'NET. - BrynF, on 11/03/2009, -4/+1Nokia is a commodity phone maker. The average price of their phones is less than the average price of all phones sold globally. Mass producing cheap phones is what they're good at, so it makes perfect sense for them to try to get into mass producing cheap netbooks (although their offering isn't exactly cheap at the moment).
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