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- redsrule2500, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Can you carefully do my shopping?
- dknighton, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Not unless Corning invents something that reduces the cost of putting that big white Apple logo on it.
- mrmorden76, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12even more carefull shopping can get you 19" LCD's for $200.00
- Godric, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Cheaper and environmentally friendly. Looks like another win for the free market.
- Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Yes, because "environmentally friendly" has long been a hallmark of free market economies ostensibly because it's "cheaper" to use earth-friendly manufacturing processes and component sources, except not so much."
Are you suggesting that the biggest pollution markets in the world, China and the former Soviet Union, are a better model?
When environmentally freindly products become desireable in a free market either by buyer pressure or increased costs associated with waste managment then yes, a free market will drive up use of those products. - MacNugget, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You can never have too much ram or too many pixels.
- Eccles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Actually, you can replace that with a Dell logo; doesn't drop the price as dramatically as you might hope, though.
- dwgranth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6nah, apple will slap the their logo on it and mark it up 200%
- molecool, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Actually, as coincidence might have it I just received a press release from them. I am not sure if this is the same material, BUT they are also releasing a new glass substrate called EAGLE XG, the industry’s first LCD glass substrate that is free of all heavy metals. EAGLE XG is the first and only LCD glass to be completely free of heavy metals, including arsenic. It is also free of antimony and barium, and halides such as chlorine and fluorine. These materials, added by some glass suppliers during their manufacturing process, can produce potentially harmful manufacturing by-products.
For the record: I am not associated with Corning, I am just excited that some companies are actually thriving towards making products without polluting our planet. Have you ever thought about how much water was wasted producing your iPod? And how many toxic substances were dumped into our water and our air in the process? We should digg the hell out of this article in order to enourage other companies to follow suit. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7If I'm CAREFULL enough, maybe I can get one of these LCD's soon.
- dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3 Making cheaper glass doesn't mean they'll sell it for less, it means they'll sell it for the same price and make more profit. Although it will be nice that there will be less heavy metals and other junk in the glass.
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I don't suppose this will drop the price of that HUMONGOUS Apple Cinema Display to $200 so I can actually afford one, huh?
- Mesach, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Its not that hard, check out http://www.fatwallet.com/c/18 for some deals, recently there was a 17" for $128, and thats not really uncommon.
- partialinfinity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm sure the glass will be able to display any number of resolutions.
- earwitness, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The LaCie 321 is 1600 x 1200 native... beautiful...
- Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No, if it is cheaper to make then they'll gain market share and expand profits by selling it for less than their competition.
- svnft, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Not really a coincidence, the second paragraph of the article starts with:
"Corning said Tuesday its Eagle XG glass is the first in the LCD industry to be completely free of arsenic as well as other heavy metals such as barium and antimony and halides like chlorine and fluorine." - ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7I hope they "prodice" alot of them ;)
- Bishoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It'd be nice to have decent sized LCD TV's within a reasonable price range. And this may be the death of the CRT monitor if it's that much cheaper.
- gmailgeoff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I want a cheap LCD implanted in my arm.
- splatnik, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4For the record could you please RTFA before you make a redundant post? Thanks.
- samdu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The 42" LCD 1080p HDTV I just ordered has 8ms response. Response times are pretty much no longer a concern. And I only paid $2300.00 delivered, too. :)
- z.unit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Having seen how their process works i can say that it is very interesting and that prices will continue to go down.
LCD > Plasma heh - abbtech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nice to see technology not cause an increase to the cost of a product. It is usually the other way around, new and improved whatever causes an increase in the price...
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http://hackedgadgets.com - SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There are 2 problems with using glass covers on LCDs:
1. They cause reflections - one reason I love LCDs is you don't get back reflections and patterns from nearby windows (the ones that look out onto the outside world, I know, most geeks have the curtains drawn anyway but... I don't mean the OS, ok?). Sony found this when they put glass faces in their LCD panels. Even tradional CRT-esqe anti reflectivbe coatings don't totally solve the issue, and they also scratch really easily.
2. They almost double the weight of the unit, and make it more fragile. This vastly increases shipping costs (think in 10,000s not 1s and 2s) much higher, less units to a container, less economic shipping, you get the picture.
3. If the TFT film isn't mounted straight onto the back of the glass you get paralax effect, which confuses the eye.
4. It reqiures extra strength in what is usually a light and fairly flimsy casing.
I'd like a nice easy to clean, hard to scratch LCD panel with a polished finish too, but the extra cost would make it unatractive I suspect. Just look at the difference in price between Samsung SyncMaster TFT panels and Sony X-Black equivalents (which use a screen cover - dunno if it's glass or not). This glass, good though I'm surte it is, is not going to do much except make them less more expensive. - SuperJdynamite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is great news for everybody except the Globochem Barium, Antimony and Arsenic Supply Company.
- DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Can these do 1600x1200 native? Maybe that's nutty for most people but I'm still holding on to my monster 20" Viewsonic CRT until further notice. It's been very good to me.
- spadger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3spurious apostrophe''''''s makes the baby jesus cry :(
also, If anyone is interested and living in the uk, dell dor a P4-based system w/ 19" tft for £375 delivered - SuperJdynamite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oops. That was weird.
Anyway, my comment was aimed at the thread's head comment, which seemed to insinuate a link between a free market economy and responsible environmental practices. I would disagree with that assertion. - aarnone1291, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Especially "alot" of them.
- zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Free of heavy metals? I'm not going to eat the thing.
I just want a good replacement for my 23" CRT.
As long as it's fast 8ms, cheap under $400.00, big. 20 inch or larger and high rez 1920x1080 or better.
I'm totally there. - yoshu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Yes, because "environmentally friendly" has long been a hallmark of free market economies ostensibly because it's "cheaper" to use earth-friendly manufacturing processes and component sources, except not so much."
It actually is cheaper to use environmental friendly practices in manufacturing. The reason you think otherwise is because you are not paying the full cost of the product you receive. This cost is what economist's call "externalities". Externalities can be pollutants, waste, use of land/area, that the public usually ends up paying for eventually. The true cost of the product would be higher if these externalities were included in the price you see at the store. Do you really think that a gallon of gasoline should cost less than a gallon of milk considering what it takes to make a gallon of gas? - linus7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Great deals... just got myself the DCL ...has great reviews and everything...looking at it right this second to type this very text...and man baby....she's HUGE! (Almost bigger than my TV... :-)
(Okay...so my TV is really small...sure sure...but still...click the link and find some sweet deals!)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?Lprice=100&Hprice=199.99&Nav=|c:170|&Sort=3&Recs=10 - zapada, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's for environmental purposes.
- JaceFuse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Glass? It's hard enough to find an LCD with a sturdy screen. Most of them are that film-like material that isn't easily cleaned and is flexible to the touch.
I've only seen a few LCDs on the market with any kind of "real" screen over the LCD, and most of those were still just hard plastic (and they scratched easily!)
I've always wondered why LCD manufactures didn't put a nice thick solid sheet of glass in front of the LCD to protect them and make them easier to clean. I know most of it is cost, but how much can a good strong sheet of glass cost compared to the LCD anyway? I'd much rather pay a little more for a screen than have to be careful as to how I clean my LCD or worry about scratches. Sure, getting shattered would kind of suck, but any impact to an LCD that could shatter glass could really mare the LCD film, too.
I hope this new product goes towards fixing my biggest complaint about LCDs. - ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1lol ooops
- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Glass is good at trapping contaminants, that's why the UK, France, and Belgium use it for nuclear waste. Taking the arsenic out of glass doesn't help the environment, but it sure makes for snappy marketing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste#Back_end - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WTF? 2080.13 CAD for a 21-inch monitor?
http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/12/194/7825 - Otto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11600x1200? Yuck. Learn the joys of widescreen. Those widescreen LCD's from Dell have awesome resolution. The 20" does 1680x1050 and the 24" does 1920x1200. Beautiful, man. I think they can be had for $400/$650, after you take Dell's continually shifting coupon madness into account.
- gmailgeoff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2No you don't!
- partialinfinity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1En...vi...ron....ment? What is that, you little ragamuffin?
- peri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just wanted to throw in a link I found to Corning's Eagle 2000 glass which I assume is the predecessor to Eagle XG.
http://www.corning.com/displaytechnologies/ww/en/discovery_center/tutorials/index.aspx - gravytop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think that the rleationship between a free market economy and the environment is less straightforward than that. You can easily find heavily centrally-controlled economies that have less stringent environmental regulations than (for example) the US, and which use outdated, heavily-polluting technologies more regularly. Part of it has to do with the wealth of a society. In China or Mexico, environmental concerns are way down on the list of priorities, because day-to-day needs are not always being met: food, etc. It's only when a society becomes relatively well-off that its citizens will start to concern themselves with the environment. Then they push for stronger regulations, etc. Also, its in an economy where inventors are rewarded with patents, etc., that clean technologies will be developed.
- Godric, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It is inevitably cheaper to use fewer resources to make a similar or superior product. Lower price gives you a competetive advantage in the marketplace.
Not only do you use fewer raw materials but also less gas to transport, less packaging, less warehouse space, etc. If you doubt this, compare crt to lcd monitors, compare coke cans from 50 years ago and today, incandescents to compact fluorescents to leds, etc. You also limit your liability by using fewer or no seriously toxic materials. So yes, if you want to maximize your profit, it makes sense to minimize the resources expended, ie conserve. Don't let the envirocrazies decieve you. - gutterboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Go Corning! I live five minutes from Corning, NY. I went to Corning Community College as well. They have a pretty kick ass glass museum in Corning if you are ever in the area.
- leohart, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Even more careful shopping (meaning: read fatwallet all day long and get your car ready for that race to Office Depot to snatch the .04 deals) can get a 19" LCD for $80 (I got it more than a year ago).
- canonman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Corning only makes LCD class, Plasma glass doesn't have to be as high a quality as you aren't printing electronics on the glass itself
- SuperJdynamite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I don't think the glass sandwiching the liquid crystals has anything to do with the response time.
- davidv, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Thats exciting news since I'm planing on either an LCD or Plasma hd tv soon. Too bad they don't make mention of a date that we can expect these cheaper** sets.
- redsrule2500, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Awesome, I'm looking for a 19" LCD in the near future.
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