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- zoltan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35$500 is nothing compared to the $500+ you'll need to spend on each of the 16 hard drives... otherwise its really pointless to get
- mokeyjoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26It sounds a lot but in 10 years time you'll have this kind of storage in an iPod and you'll need this much RAM to run Windows. Probably.
- buddha1822, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25YES - HD pron is now coming soon to your massive harddrives!!
- JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Butt pimples FTW
- CCB0x45, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Kinda the point of Raid man... Raid 5 stripes all your disks with back up if so if a drive goes down, you dont lose any data... and you can usually hot swap them out on these without even having the server go down.
- ~*77*~, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21the important question... is there that much pron to be archived?
- TWEAK, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Not for small or medium size businesses who need plenty of storage :)
Or users with stacks of cash to blow! - Y0tsuya, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15"$500 for a 16 SATA port controller?"
A 3ware 16x SATA costs over $700. That's what I'll probably buy instead of this. My 3ware 12x SATA had been rock solid. Can't say the same about rocketraids.
"Why the hell would anyone want this"
This is real hardware high-bandwidth high-performance RAID, not fake RAID. If you can't tell the difference then this product is not for you.
"where the hell are you going to put all those drives"
A Lian-Li PC-V2100 would work quite well. There's also the rackmount option. - Fire4Effect, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10*Roughly calculates the amount of pron backed up.......*
Ill take two! - JaytB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Why don't they just call it 12TB (Terra-byte). And shouldn't it, in binary therms, be that 12TB expressed in Gigabytes would be 12*1024= 12,288GB
So that would make an even more impressive headline. Why don't say "12,582,912 MB of storage" or at (4MB a song), stores nearly 3,145,728 songs. And yes I know you won't be able to use the entire disk capacity.
I'm just having a bad day at work and wanted to let it all out on Digg. Ok, back to having people nitpick my work again... - dracostimpy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'll hold out for one that goes all the way up to 13,000 GB, for when I need that extra push over the cliff.
- splinecl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@mokeyjoe
yeah, remember 10 years ago when 40MB was more then you'd ever need :D So of course there will come a time when 12,000GB is not enough. Just wait until we all fill our drives with QuadHD movies. - cyanid3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"gives you the ability to store at least a -- whooping -- 12,000 gigabytes of data"
Lol, I think you meant whopping ;) - Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I have had a RR2220 and they aren't bad little cards. However! Highpoint release really horrible binary blob drivers, so beware when doing kernel updates!
- Visk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+416 drives x 750GB each is 12TB
- glenneroo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4btw $500 isn't a lot of money for a RAID card with 16 ports. Check out a decent card 3Ware or Areca and you can double the price. There is onboard XOR chip for parity writes but no memory buffering so the card performs so-so. Pay 2x and get a decent card if you want serious performance.
- mpphan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Just imagine defragging this thing...
- lucid270, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They only tested it with Raid 0 or 1 and 2 320GB drives??? Not quite the server test they should have done.
- animecrazy9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5To answer the question in a word... yes.
- ApeInago, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3raid 50 with a hardware based controller means redunacny + speed + hotswapable + low cpu utilization.
- pucosk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Oh yes mention. They have 2 XOR units for offloading parity ops. What would you expect from a $500 server RAID card. BTW why is the HW reviewed on a tweaking website is beyond me. This is not a consumer thing IMHO.
- makenshi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The OP seems to be making a big deal out of the space. If you really want space, invest in a single Serial-attached SCSI card, and you can connect up to 16384 disks (for a total of 12,288 TB - or 12.3 PB - using 750GB disks).
- culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"$500 is nothing compared to the $500+ you'll need to spend on each of the 16 hard drives... otherwise its really pointless to get"
Just because something doesn't fit your simple needs doesn't mean it won't suit the needs of others. Or, put another way, you lack imagination.
There are other applications for a card like this.
* You could use it to create multiple stripes for higher high performance applications like Virtual Servers
* You could use 320GB drives to have a cheap 5TB of storage (And upgrade by stripe when needed)
* You could pair it with something like (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816133001) for high-density storage (the included controller with this chassis blows according to the reviews) - everfalling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i got the 2320 model. works like a charm. i dont have the case space to fill it's potential 8 SATA slots, but it's running my raid5 terabyte array just fine.
- brbubba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Let's see, because maybe your mobo only supports RAID 1 and 0 and doesn't have a hardware based controller. No sane individual with this many drives is going to be implementing RAID 1 or 0.
- intense321, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Am I the only one who thinks that 12,000 GB is not that much storage? I have 2x that much at my home server, but of course I'm running 5 different RAID cards. I still don't see the need to run that much storage on a single RAID card. Seems like a hardware failure would be more likely to cause interruption of service that way.
- GotoDengo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have their 4-port PCIe 2310 in my home server. It's a good little card, especially for $139. I wouldn't put my business on it, but I was able to record one TV show (PVR card), while playing another, and have bittorrent pulling down a file at good speed even during a RAID5 rebuild test. I think it's a better solution than mobo-based RAID5, because it's a whole lot easier to replace a PCI card than it is to replace a mobo.
- glenneroo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've also go the 2320 running with 8x 500gb in RAID5 right now and works great! Even the stupid audible alarm and email notifications work great. My g/f hates the alarm though, she woke me at 5am 3 weeks ago because one of my drives died (ordered 3 and 1 was defect) and the stupid loud-as-f*** alarm wouldn't shut up! Dropped a new drive in, did an online rebuild automatically (took ~24 hours) and voila, all back to normal. The online expansion feature is groovy too, i started with 3 drives and have worked up to 8 now, doing an Online Expansion (~24 hour process) with each drive WHILE writing/reading to the array. Do have to say though, the speeds aren't even close to what you'd achieve with a 3Ware or Areca cards, which are also 2x as expensive! Also the cards have an XOR chip but there is no memory buffer so it's half software, half-hardware XOR processing thus why the benchmarks aren't anything to write home about... but it still kills software RAID anyday!
- Fordi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A speed-glance at the title had me thinking it was '12,000MB ... PocketRaid', which would be awesome...
Has anyone ever thought about connecting, say, up to 16 SD/MMC/MS/CF/... cards up to an IDE interface with some RAID logic between 'em? I think that would be very nifty. - TWEAK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We didn't have anymore test drives but if anyone wants to send us 16 SATA II drives, we'll gladly to some extensive RAID array testing! :)
- Gesiwuj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes, I need 12 000 GB of storage!
- fumcr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm wondering about the power supply that will be needed
- dodgyd55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2awesome thats close to £250 id buy it
- my10cent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well if you really need that much storage you probably have the money to buy it.
- angrykeyboarder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Is "whooping" anything like "whopping"?
- fjc8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2that's because many or maybe even most or all Highpoint cars are Fake RAID cards or poorly accelerated RAID cards, where much or all of the work is done by the host CPU. I believe there is one Highpoint card that actually does RAID5 XOR acceleration, but does so at a rate slower than modern CPUs.
- EternalDarkWing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2A whooping total? Shoop da whoop?
- tuartboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ain't getting "Quad HD" on current film stock. They might make a Quad HD digital camera, but all the old/current film movies top out at 2k or 4k scans. At the 2.39:1 ratio, 2k is 2048 × 858 and 4k is just 4096 × 1714. When we hit those size streams, encoding will be at a similar evolutionary point and we will likely need no more room than a 1080p stream on current codecs.
- zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yes, I can use 12tb of storage. really!. I would not run this card as a raid 5 but I would mirror the drives.
HD have a very bad habit of dieing at the most inopportune times.
I think this would be a perfect mate for the new Seagate 1tb hd's when they come on the market.
Yes $500.00 is a bit much for a drive controller from a non standard company. IE. Adaptech.
I would like to see this card and half this price. But there over charging because there going after the busness server
market.
But its a good fix for what I'm currently doing. Running mutable fire-wire controllers on my current mother board.
If you have looked at the current boards out there. They have fewer and fewer slots so it's very hard to get enough cards.
In to support the number of drives I have. - mike503, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11) why limit it to 12TB? 1TB disks will be out within a month. go for 16TB - but I woul dsuggest using dual-parity (RAID-6) at that point
2) Areca makes the fastest RAID cards and supports RAID-6. I am a happy Areca owner (a 16-port SATA card and a 4 port one) - they're the fastest on the market according to all the benchmarks. I think they might even have a 24-port version. They also have native Windows, Linux and FreeBSD. I don't think Highpoint's are as compatible.
personally I don't like going the internal drive route anymore. technologies like eSATA and such for expansion are key for me, especially with pooled storage based filesystems like ZFS. I would not trust NTFS with this amount of storage; I would trust XFS but prefer ZFS. Which means Solaris/OpenSolaris needs to support the SATA controller. That's been my biggest issue - finding that good combination. Oh, and ZFS does not need a hardware RAID setup under it, JBOD with or without a controller works with software-based integrity checking and parity. - funkytaco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Highpoint has horrible drivers. You also usually need to compile the drivers everytime you upgrade a kernel, unlike 3ware which has much better Linux support across distro's and who's monitoring tools are much better, imo.
Short version: I think Highpoint sucks for RAID. - Jonjonr6, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Not too bad of a card for the price, but I prefer something like the Adaptec 2120S SCSI RAID controller. The disadvantage the SCSI card has is the drive size and cost. I believe the largest SCSI drive currently available is 300GB (I have 9 of them). The card, of course supports up to 15 devices. So the total is about 4.5TB max unformatted space. The real advantage is that the 2120S can expand your RAID 5 array on the fly. So, as you can afford to add more drives, you can expand your array without a complete rebuild from ground up. Expansion can be the biggest drawback of running RAID 5.
- oSiBo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1You got lot of pr0n heh ?
- BobMysterioso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+03Ware makes really good stuff.
I put together a 3Ware 9600 sata array - 8x 300. The config is this:
7x300 - Raid 5
1x300 - hot spare
Before you bark at me, the previous doc storage was 80 gig. So, it was quite an upgrade. It has dual gigabit nics - about 100 people are using it right now and have been for the past 2 years. The 3Ware software is great. It is simple but powerful. It scans the disk for errors when the disks are idle and will pro-actively fix them. It can send you alerts if anything pops up. I've tested it by running all sorts of file transfers - then pulling a disk and it failed over to hot spare and started a rebuild without interruption. Be warned formatting an array like this takes a long time.
We sprung for the battery backup as well in case the power fails, and the ups fails so we don't lose data. I'd trust 3Ware way more than this. - MrViklund, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1You couldn't just write 12TB couldn't you?
- AReallyGoodName, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2No mention of whether this card has an onboard RAID processor or not. Most RAID cards these days do the RAID processing in software via the driver.
I noticed the big heatsink on it but that isn't nessesarily a RAID offload processor.
In fact Highpoints website explicitly lists cards that do such as the rr3220
http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA/rr3220.htm
This rr2340 has no mention of a RAID processor, indicating it does the processing in software
http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA/rr2340.htm - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1You don't have any kind of clue. I have a server that has 12 SATA drives (a total of 3.62 Terabytes). One partition (of 2) is already 62% full. We store massive amounts of scanned images (company paper documents).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0WOW, I was running out of space.... Time to buy more HDs :)
- greenbeanz69, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I'd like to order two.. on second thought...
HD Porn.. When you absolutely need to see every pimple, scar, and mole. - jonstafari, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1it would be a sweet deal if it came with 16 drives.
1tb is all i need; for now... -
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