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- Evoguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Hahah.. Ok you boycott videocards, go ahead. I'm sure Nvidia will notice.
- edalquist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16@Yashar
You realize HDMI is just DVI + DRM + a different plug form factor? - Evoguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Nvidia *is* on the performance/watt bandwagon, check out die sizes and power consumption vs. ATI on similar performing cards. The amount of work GPUs do nowdays is simply staggaring, on a watt/GFLOP metric, they are FAR more efficient than CPUs. As long as people want crazy graphics horsepower, power consumption is going to have to go up, you can't power 700mil transistors with nothing.
- UCFMark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The word "behemoth" comes to mind... seems like at this rate, pretty soon, people will literally be building their systems around their videocards.
- Ares, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13"The word "behemoth" comes to mind... seems like at this rate, pretty soon, people will literally be building their systems around their videocards."
They already do ... they are called Game Consoles. Xbox 360, PS3, Wii .... - edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18Bury. Wrong reply.
- tuanster1119, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Hmm I'm guessing this won't play so nicely with my Shuttle.
- MtMega, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I'll be glad when video processors are installed with sockets just like normal processors. Build in a GPU socket on the motherboard and just upgrade the video processor instead of these monster cards.
- afex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@inorganic:
perhaps you can enlighten the engineers for the two giant companies on your methods of power consumption. - WarMace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8=-0 It looks like their going to favor the modding community by having a retail model with water cooling block preinstalled so as to not void the warrenty.
This is relly cool. I was going to buy a sealed water cooling kit, but now that i see this Im changing to a customisable kit so i dont burn any bridges. - JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yeah, I'm not having neither because I'm poor :(
- newtechfool, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Hmmm let me see. 300 Watts. My toaster is 500 Watts. Hey it would be cheaper to put my toaster in my PC... and I would have more power... well at least use more power :-)
Seriously. I'll bet it won't be long before we do see the first GPU turned into toaster mod.
Another lame joke while I am at it: Hey I could give that GPU card as a house warming gift. - edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@CptAJ
That's like criticizing the engineers of a Formula 1 racer because it has poor fuel consumption. - ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This is going to be good for winter :)
- erikerikerik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'm willing to bet a wooden nickel that their will be a lower power consumption model. I would also like to point out that the next gen ATI cards are said to pull around the same amount of power.
The 300W pull will, or at least should, only come while under full load.
Some people complain about the the size and power of this card. Lets look at the 7XXX cards. the 7800 was huge and power hungry. However the 7900 was smaller, ran cooler and required less power. At least for the BFG models.
With time improvements with power/size/heat will be smoothed out. - Jeebugorn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@goat
heck yeah! glad i own a computer that i paid not alot for and can upgrade anytime i want to! - Dgen_X, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817703004
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7this thing is sex.
- fyre2012, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9behemoth is right...
the card is a massive thing, and at 300 watts? WTF? It's almost needing a second power supply just for the GPU. I thought people were all on the 'performance-per-watt' bandwagon these days? - ttamez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4can this thing run doom95?
- Evoguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@CptAJ: Brilliant.. yes we all fail. Please come do better. Of course these chips consume so much power because we're idiots.. that's gotta be it. Please come save us from ourselves.
Have you looked at the complexity of a modern GPU lately? A dual core conroe is ~215mil transistors WITH 4MB OF CACHE. A GPU tops 700mil today... ALL LOGIC. Please enlighten the engineers of these massively complicated systems (easily 10x a dual core CPU), how they are "screwing up design" - kidicarus74, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4it's not more advanced, just more specialized. Without the CPU, the GPU wouldn't actually do anything as all it's built for is graphical calculations whereas the CPU handles I/O, Data Transfer and Mathematical Calculations. That's why the term "CPU limited" keeps coming up when discussing the latest and greatest video cards. Without the latest and greatest processors to match them, the video cards can't get data fast enough to even make a difference in system performance. And remember of course, that gaming is one of the very few areas of consumer computing (meaning non-professional) that even remotely requires a high-end (read $400+) video card.
- edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Not likely. Apple fiercely guard what can go into a mac. This is how they keep OSX so stable; it has a limited hardware base it needs to support.
- WarMace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Creating an account for the sole purpose to slander another member is cool hurrrrrrrr!
post under your real account and ditch this one if you want to be taken seriousally.
And if you follow the links, he DOES credit the other site. - edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3My guess is that's just a quick-n-dirty prototype cooler. Look at how nice (and effective) the 7900GT cooler is. I'm sure nivida will be putting on a smaller or more efficient cooler when it comes time to release (AFAIK, the G80 series are DX10 chips, so this probably won't be out until Vista is out anyway, so they have plenty of time).
- WarMace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ill buy whatever is the best, if that means power draw, then kilowatt PSU here i come!
- Evoguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That'll be a while... Videocards are already using DDR4, while we're still using DDR2 for CPUs. Laying out traces for swappable DIMMS kill the ability to use high speed RAMS. Graphics is memory bandwidth bound, so it will always be a few generations of memory technology ahead of CPUs and motherboard-pluggable memory modules.
- Evoguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@CptAJ: This card isn't meant for 80% of the PC's out there. In fact, it's only meant for maybe 1% of the PCs out there. Only the highest end sacrifice-all-for-performance card draws this much power, and it goes into ENTHUSIAST systems that can run it. There will be plenty of more practical powerdraw products. Even if you don't seem to understand it, there are people out there that want the most perf they can have, and they build up the rest of their system to keep up.
You can go from 0-60 in say, 5 seconds, with a 40k sports car, but to get 0-60 in 4 seconds will cost you 250k+, awful gas milage, zero practicality, and no trunk space. Guess what... supercars still sell.. why? Cause there are people out there who are willing to sacrifice all for the best. High power draw is necessary for supercar graphics, there are plenty other options for people like you. Please stop bashing the engineers who spend years on these designs unless you can come here and do better. - Reno582, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hello 1 Kilo-watt powersupplies
- robio376, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How about two of them in SLI? :)
- thombone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4That's Kyle for you.
HARDOCP is the laughing stock of review sites... has been for awhile now.
Kyle is very, very shady. I wouldn't believe a word he says, ever. - michaelothomas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's a pretty good point, my only guess is they were concerned that showing the chip itself might give away the source of the board and get someone in trouble. Or they had an extra cooler laying around.
- thombone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3They already do, believe me... even my 7800GTX is a monster.
- jaredvolkl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@kidicarus74
"And remember of course, that gaming is one of the very few areas of consumer computing (meaning non-professional) that even remotely requires a high-end (read $400+) video card."
You haven't used Vista, have you? - wurzelgummage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The writing was on the wall for this kind of thing when we found out our next-gen consoles doubled as fan heaters.
- KyleBaFraud, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5These pictures were first posted at - http://itbbs.pconline.com.cn/topic.jsp?tid=6054769 - Kyle edited the pictures and put them up on his webiste without displaying the tag lines for pconline and is now taking credit for the story. Shame on you Kyle.
- aer0sense, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow and I just got a 7900GTO. This will be quiet a step-up but water cooling capable? How extreme...
- bbdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's one long-ass card. I guess it's time for a new case. :(
- WarMace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So? Its no diffrent than the majority of posts linking to the blogosphere, just because he dident give a direct link to the actual 1st place that posted it dosent mean hes claiming ownership.
If he [H] stamped them, then it would be a diffrent story. - Chromatik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed, this feels like something to get the job done while the tweak the chip. I guess we'll see
- mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I thought the modern trend was to go smaller and cooler not larger and hotter.
Hopefully this is just a prototype at a large nanometer... - edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wake me when they make 1.21gigawatt PSUs
- CptAJ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@edzieba
Thats a pretty poor analogy. Here's a more accurate one: If a F1 engineer designs an engine that runs faster than every other but requires so much fuel that the car would have to refuel every lap, then yes, I blame the engineer for not seeing the big picture when making his design. - revenant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1that's one LONG card.. holy cattle.. lol
- CptAJ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Amen.
- gsnedders, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The problem is the firmware, not the drivers. They'd need a whole different ROM to run on a different firmware.
- clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yup, looks like a generic video card. Whoopie do. Lets see some benchmarks and screenshots and PRICING!.
- ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How about having a specific plug comming out of your card so you can plug it directly to the wall. :)
- wush, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How about an external power brick just for the video card. I wouldn't mind as long as it was silent.
- fozzie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1At this point they should put it in an external box like ATI was proposing.
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